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Old 04-30-2013, 21:14   #26
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I'm intrigued by this bow idea...

Seems like a "Takedown" or Recurve bow is collapsible as well? What are some good (re; inexpensive but halfway decent) examples?

I've got pretty much zero experience with bows (only had a little bit of experience with them in Boy Scouts lol) so any help would be sweet.

Not necessarily just for BOB's
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Old 04-30-2013, 21:30   #27
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So what are the serious advantages to a bow over a firearm? I'm not understanding the possible potential to re-use arrows given that you can't bring very many of them to begin with (compared to cartridges) and the silent thing...plenty of silent firearms if you are REALLY worried about that.

I am going to guess that local laws are the biggest reason for the bow all of those locations...an inability to have a firearm. Is that right or wrong?
Here you go again, attempting to change the thread discussion into a comparison of something about which you obviously have little knowledge or understanding versus a gun. You've obviously made your decision that a bow has no serious advantage over a firearm, and you are likely right for many scenarios.

You are wrong regarding my reasons. I took a bow because I like archery. I like hunting with bows. I could discuss slings, spears, knives, tomahawks, traps, clubs, etc., but those were not topics addressed by the OP.

Yes, I can reuse arrows or make my own. I have made bows in my shop but not out in the woods. Carrying three dozen arrows bothers me none. Silence can be wonderful with archery or firearms. I'm REALLY NOT worried about it.

I'm sure you are more comfortable with your amazing amount of ammunition for your firearms, but IMO that is still not what this thread is about.

Firearms are wonderful. I enjoy them very much. How many do you have in your bob? How much ammo? How many magazines?

Suppressed firearms are wonderful. I like them. I enjoy them. How many do you own and have in your bob?

Autos are wonderful. I don't enjoy them as much as some do. How many do you own and have in your bob?

If you don't like archery or the idea of it and don't want one in your bob, you can do whatever you want. Nobody is trying to force you to put a bow in your bob.

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Here you go again, attempting to change the thread discussion into a comparison of something about which you obviously have little knowledge or understanding versus a gun. You've obviously made your decision that a bow has no serious advantage over a firearm, and you are likely right for many scenarios.

You are wrong regarding my reasons. I took a bow because I like archery. I like hunting with bows. I could discuss slings, spears, knives, tomahawks, traps, clubs, etc., but those were not topics addressed by the OP.

Yes, I can reuse arrows or make my own. I have made bows in my shop but not out in the woods. Carrying three dozen arrows bothers me none. Silence can be wonderful with archery or firearms. I'm REALLY NOT worried about it.

I'm sure you are more comfortable with your amazing amount of ammunition for your firearms, but IMO that is still not what this thread is about.

Firearms are wonderful. I enjoy them very much. How many do you have in your bob? How much ammo? How many magazines?

Suppressed firearms are wonderful. I like them. I enjoy them. How many do you own and have in your bob?

Autos are wonderful. I don't enjoy them as much as some do. How many do you own and have in your bob?

If you don't like archery or the idea of it and don't want one in your bob, you can do whatever you want. Nobody is trying to force you to put a bow in your bob.
You first.

I'm listening.

BTW: I do find it comical to say that a thread about putting a bow in a BOB is not about firearms. I guess if you were to say you could not have firearms, and the choice was a bow or nothing...then maybe it wouldn't be about firearms.
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:09   #29
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...I am thinking that maybe a small take down bow would be a handy thing to have in a BOB.

What's the hive think?
As to the OP question, I think the answer should be the result of combining "it couldn't hurt" with "what does it cost". Cost of BOB gear should imo be counted in terms of dollars, ounces, cubic inches, versatility, dependability, and durability/longevity.

Putting a bow in there WILL cost something - it'll cost money that could be (better?) spent on other things, weight that could be (better?) spent on other things, space that could….. you get my point.

If I reasonably could, I’d like to have the entire contents of my pantry, the entire contents of one of the gun safes, an entire automotive shop, and an entire Cabela’s camping section in my GHB. But since I can’t, I have to make compromises and sacrifices on what I really DO put in there. If I knew that I was going to be in a very rural, woods area like I walked this past weekend, then a bow may - or may not - be a good thing. If I were near a town or city, not a chance – for me personally. If a person wants one and can carry it without sacrificing something else that may be more valuable, nothing wrong with having it. But just be sure it’s the best use of your available space, weight limits, etc.
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I guess for me, putting a bow in my BOB would depend on how far I was bugging out to. Personally, it seems that if I can't simply carry enough food to get me to my bug out location, my bug out location is probably too far away. In other words, the notion of having to hunt to survive between home and my bug out location never really entered my mind. Of course, that goes double, or maybe triple, for my GHB, at least in my case.
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You first.

I'm listening.

BTW: I do find it comical to say that a thread about putting a bow in a BOB is not about firearms. I guess if you were to say you could not have firearms, and the choice was a bow or nothing...then maybe it wouldn't be about firearms.
Me first what?

When did you begin listening? When will you begin comprehending?

Some of these concepts are just common sense and obvious, at least to me and most others who have posted in this thread. If you cannot understand the explanations provided, no further discussion will help.

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I'm intrigued by this bow idea...

Seems like a "Takedown" or Recurve bow is collapsible as well? What are some good (re; inexpensive but halfway decent) examples?

I've got pretty much zero experience with bows (only had a little bit of experience with them in Boy Scouts lol) so any help would be sweet.

Not necessarily just for BOB's
Traditional recurves don't take down but most modern ones do.

I am just getting back in archery after a 20+ year absence. Things have changed a lot and I'm no expert. People will tell you you need a $500 bow but I've found even the low end bows of today work better than the high end ones did 20-30 years ago. Just a matter of perspective.

PSE makes some nice recurves that break down easy. Their Stalker has a draw weights from 35-50#. MSRP is about $150. My grown daughter actually has PSE Razorback which is considered a youth bow but is full size. Hers has a 30# pull but comes in 20-35# versions, MSRP is around $120. Both of those would be considered starter bows but they are still better than what natives carried for 10,000 years.

Personally I have three old compound bows. I bought one new in 1975 and the others were cheap garage sale finds. Two are Bears, one is a old all wood Browning. After shooting my daughter's bow however, I am seriously considering picking up a recurve like the Stalker.

I sure others make similar type starter bows.
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Me first what?
The questions you asked.

For some reason you keep asking questions covering things that not a single person in this thread has stated, including yourself.

If you want to get into that kind of detail about it, maybe you should go first?
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Perhaps my mistake in the OP was mentioning carrying a bow in a BOB. That seems to have thrown some people off. I guess I should have simply suggested having a bow as part of one's survival gear or basic load out as a backup.

I understand that archery is a skill few people want to tackle. It is much easier for most people to learn to shoot a gun well than become proficient with a bow.
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The questions you asked.

For some reason you keep asking questions covering things that not a single person in this thread has stated, including yourself.

If you want to get into that kind of detail about it, maybe you should go first?
You're running around in circles.

You indicated this thread is about firearms, you mentioned "silenced" firearms, you ask questions about size & weight taken up or sacrificed for bow versus other items for bob.

So I asked you about things you mentioned. You cannot answer.

I've answered some of your questions. If you didn't illustrate such dogmatic sniping criticizing comments, I'd be happy to share as I have via PM to several members.
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You're running around in circles.

You indicated this thread is about firearms, you mentioned "silenced" firearms, you ask questions about size & weight taken up or sacrificed for bow versus other items for bob.

So I asked you about things you mentioned. You cannot answer.

I've answered some of your questions. If you didn't illustrate such dogmatic sniping criticizing comments, I'd be happy to share as I have via PM to several members.
If the topic is weapons in a BOB, on a firearms board, firearms are extremely relevant to the discussion.
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If the topic is weapons in a BOB, on a firearms board, firearms are extremely relevant to the discussion.
Then offer some quality commentary instead of being a one-legged, deaf, blind, yet incessantly barking dog.

You can ask questions and snipe, you cannot provide answers, eh?

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Then offer some quality commentary instead of being a one-legged, deaf, blind, yet incessantly barking dog.

You can ask questions and snipe, you cannot provide answers, eh?
Is your final answer that you used a bow because that is a hobby of yours/brings enjoyment?
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So what are the serious advantages to a bow over a firearm? I'm not understanding the possible potential to re-use arrows given that you can't bring very many of them to begin with (compared to cartridges) and the silent thing...plenty of silent firearms if you are REALLY worried about that.

I am going to guess that local laws are the biggest reason for the bow all of those locations...an inability to have a firearm. Is that right or wrong?

Yes, there are plenty silent firearms but getting there is not cheap. By the time you purchase a silencer and add the tax stamp to it you will be spending up to a grand in cost alone. Of course it depends on what silencer you get, still you have to pay the $200.00 tax. Add to that you might have to wait up to 6 months or more to receive it.

For half of the cost of a silencer and tax stamp you can be outfitted with a pretty decent bow. Plus not having to wait on the transfer, you can have plenty of time to practice with the bow.
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Is your final answer that you used a bow because that is a hobby of yours/brings enjoyment?
Is this your final question?

Do you have any answers or constructive commentary?
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If it brings you enjoyment, pack the bow.

If you think you will need to hunt game at close range during your bug out, silently, pack the bow.

I'll pass.

It's been entertaining.
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I'd call my Montagnard friends who are proficient with homemade cross bows. They have used them for who knows how long in Vietnam and those that are left over there probably still do.
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If you think you will need to hunt game at close range during your bug out, silently, pack the bow.
Why not just pack a suppressed firearm if you need to hunt game silently?

:ROFL:

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Going back to the OP:

Even though you've been away from archery for an extended time, you've indicated that you're quickly getting back into the groove. So this tells me that you've got yourself a useful skill. As you've mentioned, bows have come a long way. I don't necessarily see where you'd have to sacrifice much in the way of a BOB to carry and use one. Particularly since this is an excellent means of getting a variety of food, is silent, reuseable and something that has been time tested.

Too me, this goes back to the old arguement of 'if you could only have one...gun or knife'. A gun is pretty much a one trick pony. Depending on the caliber you may or may not be successful hunting. I don't like your chances fishing with a gun either. And when the ammo runs out it is a paper wieght unless you've got a reloader in your BOB. Point is that a knife has more uses. And yes, carry both. Same with a bow. You can hunt a lot of different sized game and can also fish with it. And the fact that ammo is reusable or can be fashioned in the wild if needed puts it above a firearm in that regard.

But this isn't one or the other or one vs. the other. It is a useful tool if one have that skill. I'd say it has a valued place in a BOB or whatever survival kit you may have.

I've been thinking about getting a bow and learning how to properly use it for the reasons I've mentioned above. I don't see any issue having it attached or in my ALICE pack along with what I already have.

If anyone has other suggestions for bows that would fill the bill for such a thing, I'd like to hear them or see links.

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Going back to the OP:

Even though you've been away from archery for an extended time, you've indicated that you're quickly getting back into the groove. So this tells me that you've got yourself a useful .......

........
If anyone has other suggestions for bows that would fill the bill for such a thing, I'd like to hear them or see links.
Nice post.

I recommend visiting various local archery shops. Make more than one visit (anyone can have a bad day) and go during the slower time of the year. Now is a great time.

Find the one where the guy/girl will fit you to the right bow, teach you how to shoot, tune, and maintain your bow (and arrows). Find a shop that will treat you right. Then return the favor.
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Going back to the OP:

I've been thinking about getting a bow and learning how to properly use it for the reasons I've mentioned above. I don't see any issue having it attached or in my ALICE pack along with what I already have.

If anyone has other suggestions for bows that would fill the bill for such a thing, I'd like to hear them or see links.
Used compound bows are readily available and dirt cheap if you don't mind 70s & 80s era stuff. No issue with them personally. Mine still shoot well and I would have no problem taking a deer with one today. They are not super high tech or super expensive like bows today. So what's the difference between a 50# pull old compound bow and a 50# new compound bow? The new ones are quieter and more efficient. They are probably easier to shoot well. I don't think a deer is going to notice the difference whether the arrow came from an old or new bow however.

In regard to what is best. A recurve is more traditional, less complicated and cheaper. The newer recurves are pretty high tech, specially the ones with the removable limbs.

After going with my daughter to an archery shop when she bought her bow I echo the advice to find a shop that will let you try some bows out. In addition, go online and learn as much as you can about the type you are interested int.
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Perhaps my mistake in the OP was mentioning carrying a bow in a BOB. That seems to have thrown some people off. I guess I should have simply suggested having a bow as part of one's survival gear or basic load out as a backup.

I understand that archery is a skill few people want to tackle. It is much easier for most people to learn to shoot a gun well than become proficient with a bow.
I think you're right. Having a bow as part of one's general survival gear is an excellent idea if one is willing to put the time into learning to shoot it.
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Sounds like something worth having in the skill set after I pick up some other more important items for my home/BOB.

Anyone have experience with crossbows? I know they are more complicated and often more expensive, but they are similar to regular bows in the regard of quiet/reusable ammo. Not sure how a homemade bolt would fly though haha.
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bows/arrows

I go back to the original question.

You might consider the concept of a slingshot bow and take down arrows.

http://www.thepathfinderstore.com/

It is a true take-down concept.

Becoming set up is substantially less expensive than obtaining a proper takedown bow and arrows.

No one is disputing that a silenced firearm, yatta yatta, may be more efficient in most instances. Then again, using traps and snares rank higher in gathering meat because they work 24/7 while you can sit back and enjoy life after shtf.

Having taken primitive arts classes, I can inform you that MAKING your own sling, slingshot, atlatal, bow, arrows, gunpowder, excrima stick, walking stick, quarterstaff or bolas in the field after shtf isn't as thoughtful as buying commercial units before shtf. Shtf is a pass/fail situation.

If you aren't going to gain bow shooting skills before shtf, then pass on it. Ditto to other non firearm options and skills.

There is a myth that the Indians had an easy time living off the land. Untrue. The survivors had many years of practice.
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All the bow talk has me thinking about ...bows! Wife went to the grocery store this morning and called me on her cell. Said there was a subdivision wide garage sale going on in the sub behind ours, "maybe you can find some arrows". I jumped on my bicycle and rode over there.. First house I stopped at had 4 compound bows for sale with cases. Two had arrows. (Cheap arrows are $5-7 ea.) I picked up a very nice PSE compound w/case and a 13 arrows (one was missing the notch) with field tips. glove, sights and some accessories for $15! Just had it out back, very nice bow. Has 45# and 31" draw. Not sure what model it is because the limbs are hand painted camo covering up any markings. I'm a sucker for these kinds of deals.

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