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Old 05-01-2013, 13:39   #126
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I would like a 911 turbo or a 911Gt3.

One is more raw and one will make up for a lot of driver error with power, AWD and well sorted stability control.

But then, for just a toy, its a lot of money to waste when for excitement a much cheaper ride can be had.

And a Jeep...
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A used S2000, Miata, whatever.....at least get a test drive. Maybe a C6 vert?
Dont forget a Boxster S.

It one of those cars, if you drive one, that makes you better. The bad thing is the chassis is so good, they feel really slow. They could use twice the power.
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Old 05-01-2013, 14:00   #128
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Dont forget a Boxster S.

It one of those cars, if you drive one, that makes you better. The bad thing is the chassis is so good, they feel really slow. They could use twice the power.
Dude....

Recent (semi) episode of the BBC's car show where they buy classic used vehicles, refurbish, and re-sell, they just did a Boxster S.

Nice car, but you gotta know how to work on a Porsche.

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Dude....

Recent (semi) episode of the BBC's car show where they buy classic used vehicles, refurbish, and re-sell, they just did a Boxster S.

Nice car, but you gotta know how to work on a Porsche.
$45k you can buy a CPO car...

But what is different about turning a wrench on them and other cars?
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$45k you can buy a CPO car...

But what is different about turning a wrench on them and other cars?
I can't remember the specifics, but they had a tranny issue, and they had to drop the entire drive-train to effect a repair, and the trans needed to be replaced.

The cost of a new tranny was around 5K, but they found a specialist that re-built Boxster trannys...

Wait....now that I think about it...they were re-building a an old 911. Still, same concerns.

Plus, I'm thinking of an older, cheaper car, not blowing the OP's budget on the initial purchase. That way (if the car is solid) he'd have a few bucks for stuff like tires, brakes, intake, exhaust, etc...

Screw it....I just enjoy fixing up cars....

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***SIGH***

The contention that I was discussing with another poster (before you jumped in, changing the subject to suit your view point) is that a car does not elementally change or define a person. This had NOTHING to do with how other people view a person based on what they drive. Your (unwanted) observations are precisely and specifically opposite to what I was opining on.

My contention was that driving a specific vehicle (for a true driving enthusiast) is about the pleasure one derives from the driving experience, NOT what other people think about what they drive.

Certainly, many people ARE more concerned with what/how other people view their vehicles. I find this shallow and stupid, but that's just my none-too-humble opinion.

Then you busted in with amature psychology, and standard observational fare, that anyone that has lived on this earth and experienced life long enough could post. Does driving a great car make you feel good? Sure. Could feeling good change your behavior and how you interact with the world around you on a temporary basis? Sure. That doesn't mean that the basic personality traits of a person changes. Anyone that can put two coherent thoughts together, knows that REAL positive changes, real positivity, would come from the hard work and effort one puts in to be able to drive what they like, and the confidence that comes from said work and effort/achievment. And THAT is where any real, lasting and positive elemental personal changes would come from.

Look, I get it. You want to have all the answers, and best observations. But nothing you've posted is all that interesting or worthy of considered debate. You are discussing a different topic than I, but can't stand that, because it doesn't support your need to be correct all the time.

Now, if you have more to say, PM me. This is exhausting, and we've de-railed this thread enough. If you want to continue debating this topic, start your own damned thread.

ETA: Everything you touched on; the perceptions of other people, changing behavioral interatcions based on perceptions, feeling positive about one's sense of self-efficacy based on what you drive.....it's all counter and supporting to my point that such considerations are shallow and meaningless.

The fact that you, of all people, brought those considerations to the fore-front, beat that drum so hard just to be right, simply serves to re-enforce my perceptions of people that care about such meaningless, trival concerns.

"Oooh, look at my car, I'm so cool!!"
So your entire point is:

"I, M&P15T will be the sole judge of what kind of person a person is based on how I feel about what motivates them to drive a car....and I dont like Rabbi"

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55 Chevy Bel Air (Convertible? maybe?)

or

51/52 MGTD

Both can be found in that price range, both are superb for what they are, head turners and fun little weekend drivers, easy to work on as well (the Brit will have the usual issues mind you). You can muscle up the 55 if you want or feel the need for speed. You get to look up at the bottom of semi trailers passing you when driving the MG
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So your entire point is:

"I, M&P15T will be the sole judge of what kind of person a person is, based on how I feel about what motivates them to drive a car....and I dont like Rabbi"

Got it.
Actually, my original point was that a person that truly enjoys the driving experience, who drives for the visceral pleasure of man & machine melding......doesn't give a rat's ass about what anyone cares about them and their car.....doesn't care about others that are judgmental....wouldn't care what I or anyone else thinks.....

That's an observation about a certain type of person, acknowledging their existance, not judging them.

Anywho...gotta roll. Me and my 5.0 have tarmac to molest.

Good God, but I LOVE that motor......and the suspension.....and the brakes.....and the interior.....and the sound system....and the 3.73 gears...and the adjustable steering.....and those 10K gumball tires......

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Actually, my original point was that a person that truly enjoys the driving experience, who drives for the visceral pleasure of man & machine melding......doesn't give a rat's ass about what anyone cares about them and their car.....doesn't care about others that are judgmental....wouldn't care what I or anyone else thinks.....

That's an observation about a certain type of person, acknowledging their existance, not judging them.

Anywho...gotta roll. Me and my 5.0 have tarmac to molest.

Good God, but I LOVE that motor......and the suspension.....and the brakes.....and the interior.....and the sound system....and the 3.73 gears...and the adjustable steering.....and those 10K gumball tires......
You have been VERY vocal in judging them.

For example.

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Certainly, many people ARE more concerned with what/how other people view their vehicles. I find this shallow and stupid, but that's just my none-too-humble opinion.
My entire point was, People act and people react to that, which effects how people behave.

Your points so far have been to claim that only bad people have the kind of car they drive effect their personalities. Only bad people drive cars for reasons other than what I consider the right reasons....and I dont like Rabbi.


Looking at those data points, who do you think is feeling their way through this issue and who do you think is trying to quantify the issue?

We are trying to help the OP. I have not judged anyone. I have pointed out facts so he can consider it, however he feels. You may very well have judged the hell out of him. So, looking at those data points, who is trolling this thread?
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you have been very vocal in judging them.

For example.



My entire point was, people act and people react to that, which effects how people behave.

Your points so far have been to claim that only bad people have the kind of car they drive effect their personalities. Only bad people drive cars for reasons other than what i consider the right reasons....and i dont like rabbi.


Looking at those data points, who do you think is feeling their way through this issue and who do you think is trying to quantify the issue?

We are trying to help the op. I have not judged anyone. I have pointed out facts so he can consider it, however he feels. You may very well have judged the hell out of him. So, looking at those data points, who is trolling this thread?
jesus! Let it go and stop $h!++!ng on every thread with your holier than thou attitude. We all know you must get the last word. You are incapable of not responding. Let's see how much self control you have to not respond to this.
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Actually, my original point was that a person that truly enjoys the driving experience, who drives for the visceral pleasure of man & machine melding......doesn't give a rat's ass about what anyone cares about them and their car.....doesn't care about others that are judgmental....wouldn't care what I or anyone else thinks.....

That's an observation about a certain type of person, acknowledging their existance, not judging them.

Anywho...gotta roll. Me and my 5.0 have tarmac to molest.

Good God, but I LOVE that motor......and the suspension.....and the brakes.....and the interior.....and the sound system....and the 3.73 gears...and the adjustable steering.....and those 10K gumball tires......
PLEASE LET HIM HAVE THE LAST WORD OR THIS THREAD WILL NEVER END

A THREAD ABOUT CARS BECOMES AN ALL ABOUT RABBI AND HIS .02 CENTS THREAD.....YET AGAIN....

WAITING FOR HIS MANDATORY RESPONSE IE MUST GET THE FINAL WORD RESPONSE....3....2....1....
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jesus! Let it go and stop $h!++!ng on every thread with your holier than thou attitude. We all know you must get the last word. You are incapable of not responding. Let's see how much self control you have to not respond to this.
You are also taking a swipe at me, and nothing I have said.

Why do you feel the need to show up to thread and point out what you dont like about me? You have done it before. There are a number of things we can call that and none of them are very good...chief among them are the exact things you are accusing me of.
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You are also taking a swipe at me, and nothing I have said.

Why do you feel the need to show up to thread and point out what you dont like about me? You have done it before. There are a number of things we can call that and none of them are very good...chief among them are the exact things you are accusing me of.
Of course a response, completely incapable of not getting the final word...I'm participating in this thread about cars, not about you, yet you always manage to make it about you. You're so predictable.
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Of course a response, completely incapable of not getting the final word...I'm participating in this thread about cars, not about you, yet you always manage to make it about you. You're so predictable.
You made it about me.

If you wanted to make it about the thread, you would have talked about the content of my posts, not how you feel about me.
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jesus! Let it go and stop $h!++!ng on every thread with your holier than thou attitude. We all know you must get the last word. You are incapable of not responding. Let's see how much self control you have to not respond to this.
I was thinking the same thing. The guy is a friggen know it all.
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for 20K you could have a company in oregon(R sport international) rebuild and old early 80s Volvo with about 400hp and suspension and brakes to match. would be a sleeper but would set you apart since you would be still driving a "classic" Volvo.
this car below is for sale for 15K but is more of a race car, not much on the interior

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for 20K you could have a company in oregon(R sport international) rebuild and old early 80s Volvo with about 400hp and suspension and brakes to match. would be a sleeper but would set you apart since you would be still driving a "classic" Volvo.
this car below is for sale for 15K but is more of a race car, not much on the interior

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I like the stance on that car. Always had a thing for Volvos. My dad had a '73 1800ES I got to drive a few times as a teen. One of those with manual and a real engine would be killer. Or a 780 with a manual and a real engine.
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In 1969 my wife and I bought our first new car an Dodge Charger in B5 blue with a white vinal top with a 383ci with 330 hp and 4 speed. Loved that car and sold it in 1985. Later wished I had kept it.

In 2009 we ordered a Dodge Challenger Classic in B5 blue with a 5.7 hemi, 375 hp and 6 speed. It is one of 254 made. The day we picked it up from the dealer my wife drove it and on request from the sales manager she broke it loose when she took off. To me the new Challenger is a true 'classic'. I plan to keep it until I am on the brown side of the grass.
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for 20K you could have a company in oregon(R sport international) rebuild and old early 80s Volvo with about 400hp and suspension and brakes to match. would be a sleeper but would set you apart since you would be still driving a "classic" Volvo.
this car below is for sale for 15K but is more of a race car, not much on the interior

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just when you think some normalcy may be creeping into GNG, someone suggests a "muscle Volvo".
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We used to put Chevy V-8 engines in 544 Volvos. We did a couple of 1800's and one 1800ES. They're a hoot.

Guys, if Rabbi is a know-it-all prove him wrong. I'm the only one that ever stumped him on a car quiz. It was a real obscure bit of trivia. I know more about old cars than most people and he impresses me.

I don't know why I'm trying to defend him. He doesn't need it. All I want is world peace.
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just when you think some normalcy may be creeping into GNG, someone suggests a "muscle Volvo".
Whatever it is, someone, somewhere has probably done it. I for one thank them.

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just when you think some normalcy may be creeping into GNG, someone suggests a "muscle Volvo".
it will out corner(sans lotus) and out run anythgin that has been sugested so far. just sayin.
heres another one for ya, the guy built it for about 35K

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I like the stance on that car. Always had a thing for Volvos. My dad had a '73 1800ES I got to drive a few times as a teen. One of those with manual and a real engine would be killer. Or a 780 with a manual and a real engine.

for anyone interested, this is a 780

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you say"with a real engine" those old volvo turbo 4 bangers can make plenty of power
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it will out corner(sans lotus) and out run anythgin that has been sugested so far. just sayin.
heres another one for ya, the guy built it for about 35K

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You both mistake my chuckle for dismissal. Not saying it won't do everything you claim and not saying it is not an admirable endeavor.

Just saying a "hot rod Volvo" is far from normal.
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