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Old 04-19-2013, 19:52   #226
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Door to door searches are far different than door to door checks. As it turns out neither checks nor searches found him


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Neither did a K9 search or using aviation. Unless one looks at it as an entire program.
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Old 04-19-2013, 20:06   #227
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Old 04-19-2013, 20:08   #228
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The first amendment was written to protect a citizens right to speak out against their government. It has nothing to do with this situation. The comparison is absurd. I cannot jail or penalize a fellow citizen for saying something i dont like. Only the government can do that. Hence the reason for the first amendment.

If you are going to try to set a trap at least think it through.


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The first amendment protects all speech, not just political speech. It's protections cover you from criminal and civil penalties. In other words, you can't sue me when I say you're (the generic you) an idiot for denying the police access to search property during a manhunt anymore than the government can prosecute me for the same.

It seems silly that you find it offensive to criticize anyone exercising their 4th amendment rights but not their 1st amendment rights.
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Old 04-19-2013, 20:13   #229
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Old 04-19-2013, 20:20   #230
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Why should your choice be free from criticism? Just because you have the right to refuse a search doesn't mean others can't voice their opinion on the matter.
He didn't say they couldn't voice their opinion. He said he found it offensive, There is a huge difference. He didn't say his choice should be free of criticism. He said he found their criticism offensive.
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Old 04-19-2013, 20:26   #231
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The first amendment protects all speech, not just political speech. It's protections cover you from criminal and civil penalties. In other words, you can't sue me when I say you're (the generic you) an idiot for denying the police access to search property during a manhunt anymore than the government can prosecute me for the same.

It seems silly that you find it offensive to criticize anyone exercising their 4th amendment rights but not their 1st amendment rights.
Actually the person that you said was "stupid" could sue you in a civil court for slander. You would have to show the statement was true. Or show that it was clear it was an stated as an opinion and not a fact. The person you said was stupid would have to show damages.

In any case, they could sue. They may not win.
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Old 04-19-2013, 20:26   #232
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Maybe the police were confiscating all Glocks since Glock won't self induce a recall due to brass to face issues?



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Old 04-19-2013, 20:32   #234
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Actually the person that you said was "stupid" could sue you in a civil court for slander. You would have to show the statement was true. Or show that it was clear it was an stated as an opinion and not a fact. The person you said was stupid would have to show damages.

In any case, they could sue. They may not win.
Slander require much more than an insult.
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The first amendment protects all speech, not just political speech. It's protections cover you from criminal and civil penalties. In other words, you can't sue me when I say you're (the generic you) an idiot for denying the police access to search property during a manhunt anymore than the government can prosecute me for the same.

It seems silly that you find it offensive to criticize anyone exercising their 4th amendment rights but not their 1st amendment rights.
The first amendment does not protect all speech. I can't sue you for calling me an idiot because I have no damages. I CAN sue you for calling me a pedophile. The first amendment has nothing to do with it.

Again, think your traps through if you want to look clever.


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Old 04-19-2013, 20:39   #237
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CNN is reporting it is was a civilian that found him and not house searches.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/19/us...nce/index.html

6th paragraph.
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Old 04-19-2013, 20:41   #238
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He didn't say they couldn't voice their opinion. He said he found it offensive, There is a huge difference. He didn't say his choice should be free of criticism. He said he found their criticism offensive.
I was pointing out the hypocrisy of being offended when some rights were being exercised, no matter the situation and not others.

It's like someone being offended at criticism of the Westboro group because they were exercising their rights.
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Old 04-19-2013, 20:47   #239
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I'd rather not let anyone in, but I'm not going to stand there arguing with the officers at the door.
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Old 04-19-2013, 21:02   #240
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Last spring I was involved in a manhunt for a fugitive who fired on four police officers. I was part of a search team that cleared eleven occupied residences in a neighborhood where he was seen running into only a few minutes prior.


Not one of the residents complained or spouted any drivel like what I've seen here. In fact, we got an overwhelming amount of support in the form of letters and posts on our facebook page from those residents thanking us.

You can post all the crap you want about your rights and whatever, but when it comes down to it, right down to the very nitty gritty of 8 guys with rifles asking you to search because they're looking for a wanted fugitive who tried to kill police officers; your attitude changes.


Like this incident, it was all LEGAL.

They were not going door to door in an entire city looking for crime. They were going to a specified area looking for a specified individual whom they had reason to believe was in the area. A lot of you don't know what you don't know. I suggest you relax, put on your Call of Duty and let the big boys handle it.


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Old 04-19-2013, 21:05   #241
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Old 04-19-2013, 21:06   #242
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You can post all the crap you want about your rights and whatever, but when it comes down to it, right down to the very nitty gritty of 8 guys with rifles asking you to search because they're looking for a wanted fugitive who tried to kill police officers; your attitude changes.
Wow. So what you are saying is that I need to get 7 buddies with rifles to point them at Heidi Klum so she consents to having sex with me?
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Old 04-19-2013, 21:15   #243
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I don't talk to the police. I wouldn't even answer the door.

Check out people like this:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...-fbi-bulletin/

"They can give me a cavity search right now and I'd be perfectly happy," said Daniel Wood, a video producer from New York City who was waiting for a train.
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Wow. So what you are saying is that I need to get 7 buddies with rifles to point them at Heidi Klum so she consents to having sex with me?


and for my answer is no , get a search warrant or whatever . house to house dont mean **** .

first off if he is hiding in someones house , someone will tip officers at the door . and 9 times out of 10 it ends like it did tonight with some dude going out to smoke a cigarette notices tarp flappin on boat goes over sees dude , calls police .
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and for my answer is no , get a search warrant or whatever . house to house dont mean **** .
Where can I get a judge to sign off on me performing a "cavity search" on her?
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Last spring I was involved in a manhunt for a fugitive who fired on four police officers. I was part of a search team that cleared eleven occupied residences in a neighborhood where he was seen running into only a few minutes prior.


Not one of the residents complained or spouted any drivel like what I've seen here. In fact, we got an overwhelming amount of support in the form of letters and posts on our facebook page from those residents thanking us.

You can post all the crap you want about your rights and whatever, but when it comes down to it, right down to the very nitty gritty of 8 guys with rifles asking you to search because they're looking for a wanted fugitive who tried to kill police officers; your attitude changes.


Like this incident, it was all LEGAL.

They were not going door to door in an entire city looking for crime. They were going to a specified area looking for a specified individual whom they had reason to believe was in the area. A lot of you don't know what you don't know. I suggest you relax, put on your Call of Duty and let the big boys handle it.


Flame on.
8 guys with rifles at your front door to change your attitude. Love thug tactics by po po! Intimidate the citizens!

None of the 11 homeowners refused so it certainly was legal.

Had they not agreed, what would your crew have done? What if they didn't answer the door? Kick down the door and clear the house?

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I was pointing out the hypocrisy of being offended when some rights were being exercised, no matter the situation and not others.

It's like someone being offended at criticism of the Westboro group because they were exercising their rights.
You aren't exercising a right. You just haven't caused me damages. That's been established.
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Old 04-19-2013, 21:27   #248
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You aren't exercising a right. You just haven't caused me damages. That's been established.
Serious question--what damages are caused by a police search which finds nothing?
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Serious question--what damages are caused by a police search which finds nothing?
Perhaps nothing. Perhaps they tear up your house. However, the Bill of Rights was written to restrict the government. Don't need damages. The founders knew you guys were problems.

Laws are written to govern interactions between citizens. The constitution was written to govern the interactions between citizens and government.

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Serious question--what damages are caused by a police search which finds nothing?
Using your logic -

What damage does a Peeping Tom do- If he looks in your window but doesn't "see" anything?

You want one looking in your window?

Does your wife?

Your daughter?

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