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Old 04-08-2013, 14:28   #126
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I should not be forced to subsidize a lifetime of foolishness that put them in that predicament.


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No one is forcing you to stay, move to a different country if this one is so bad, please stop your continual whining.
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Old 04-08-2013, 15:46   #127
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No one is forcing you to stay, move to a different country if this one is so bad, please stop your continual whining.
Be careful what you wish for. If people like me (the productive class) leave who's going to pay for your public pension and social security?

Besides, liberty was my birthright. Why should I surrender that to you socialists? Frankly, I'd rather you leave. There are entire continents that have fully embraced your socio/economic/political philosophies. I'm tired of supporting you.
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Old 04-08-2013, 15:51   #128
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I would think a lot of that money went to subsidize your education, to subsidize farmers so that you had plenty to eat, to fund medical research so you can live longer and be free of some diseases. I'm sure there are many more examples. So how about you little *****ing freeloaders giving me back the money that was spent on you.
So if I understand you right, your education, food, medical care were all subsidized too. Now, you want more. You want essentially free medical care in your old age and for the young folks to fund your retirement as well.

How about I keep my money, you keep yours, and I'll forget whatever SS taxes I've paid to this point. I'll pay for my kids' education, food and healthcare. You pay your own way. We'll call it even.
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Old 04-08-2013, 15:57   #129
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Try and imagine how much money there would be for Social Security, if it had only been done correctly. Not pilfered, invested in something with a halfway decent rate of return, and not given out as SSI (for people who never paid in) versus SSDI (for people who did pay in).

Politicians just can't keep their hands off of any large sum of money they find. Don't think they don't look at IRA's every day and try and think of a way to get control of them.
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Try and imagine how much money there would be for Social Security, if it had only been done correctly. Not pilfered, invested in something with a halfway decent rate of return, and not given out as SSI (for people who never paid in) versus SSDI (for people who did pay in).

Politicians just can't keep their hands off of any large sum of money they find. Don't think they don't look at IRA's every day and try and think of a way to get control of them.
Serious question, Series: What is the correct way?

Forced savings is uncon. SS is tax and spend. Money is fungible and one congress can't bind another.

How does the government extract money from people, invest it at a decent rate of return with an absence of risk, and then return it to them dollar for dollar?

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Old 04-08-2013, 16:07   #131
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OK this has raged for a while, anyone think SS is a good retirement plan? Ever hear of "The Galveston Plan"?

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba514
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Old 04-08-2013, 16:49   #132
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Be careful what you wish for. If people like me (the productive class) leave who's going to pay for your public pension and social security?

Besides, liberty was my birthright. Why should I surrender that to you socialists? Frankly, I'd rather you leave. There are entire continents that have fully embraced your socio/economic/political philosophies. I'm tired of supporting you.
I always forget to ask you, how many months were you in a war zone fighting for our country? I know you told me once, just can't remember.
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I always forget to ask you, how many months were you in a war zone fighting for our country? I know you told me once, just can't remember.
How many months do you need to get to suck the American taxpayer dry for the rest of your life?
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Old 04-08-2013, 17:14   #134
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I always forget to ask you, how many months were you in a war zone fighting for our country? I know you told me once, just can't remember.
Never. Why? Does that give one authority to steal?

Go to a war zone. Suck teat for rest of life?


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Old 04-08-2013, 17:16   #135
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Ah yes, the classic keyboard warrior, and you have the gall to call me part of the dependent class. You are laughable and quite the hypocrite as well.
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Old 04-08-2013, 17:20   #136
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Ah yes, the classic keyboard warrior, and you have the gall to call me part of the dependent class. You are laughable and quite the hypocrite as well.
Has every dime you've ever received in your life come from the taxpayers?

Maybe you're just conditioned to it.


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Ah yes, the classic keyboard warrior, and you have the gall to call me part of the dependent class. You are laughable and quite the hypocrite as well.
I have a CAR and I don't feel entitled to anything beyond what the Marine Corps already gave me. Combat veterans earned combat pay, not sainthood.
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Old 04-08-2013, 17:24   #138
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Ah yes, the classic keyboard warrior, and you have the gall to call me part of the dependent class. You are laughable and quite the hypocrite as well.
I believe John Kerry was in a combat zone too. Do you know him?


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Old 04-08-2013, 17:34   #139
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I wrestle with that inclination...someone is going to have to take a "hit" if this system is to survive.

I'd be willing to take a cut if it was part of a gradual plan to eliminate the public system (SS) and transition to a completely private system (401k system)

I want what I paid, plus the rate of inflation, nothing more.
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Agree......I have a nice retirement account but earned it. I don't plan on giving away my SS that I was forced to pay in. I want it back with interest dammit!


And I don't want to pay to get you what's gone already. Why do you want to shift the problem to me?

Honestly, I'd take the hit for SS money already taken from me if I could be excluded from it from here on out. Yeah, I've been paying in for some time now, but I know it's a loser. Let me out and you can keep what's been stolen already.

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Old 04-08-2013, 17:39   #140
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I would think a lot of that money went to subsidize your education, to subsidize farmers so that you had plenty to eat, to fund medical research so you can live longer and be free of some diseases. I'm sure there are many more examples. So how about you little *****ing freeloaders giving me back the money that was spent on you.
So that's where "You didn't build that" came from.
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Old 04-08-2013, 17:47   #141
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Money has already been pillaged beginning at least as far back as LBJ.


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Maybe The Bernanke could "Quantitive Ease" the Social Security money back into the accounts out of that $100,000,000,000 or so he is creating each month. Ya think?


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SS is very viable. The fed borrow the $ everyday and pay back with interest. We have been collecting more than we pay in benefits.

SS is taxed if you have other incomes. These tax $ go back into the general funds not the SS trust funds.
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Ah yes, the classic keyboard warrior, and you have the gall to call me part of the dependent class. You are laughable and quite the hypocrite as well.
When you were in the war zone with John Kerry, you received pay checks.

Did they clear?

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SS is very viable. The fed borrow the $ everyday and pay back with interest. We have been collecting more than we pay in benefits.

SS is taxed if you have other incomes. These tax $ go back into the general funds not the SS trust funds.
Social security comes out of the general fund. Tax money is tax money. SS taxes are one of the few federal income taxes most Americans pay.

There are no trust funds. That would be illegal.


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Our politicians want to cut SS and Medicare. They call in raising revenue. Raising revenue means using the $ for other stuff or pork.
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Our politicians want to cut SS and Medicare. They call in raising revenue. Raising revenue means using the $ for other stuff or pork.
They should be eliminated. SS and Medicare welfare (and DOD) consume 100% of federal revenue.

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SS and Medicare are not welfare or entitlement. They are taxes we pay for a benefit.
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SS and Medicare are not welfare or entitlement. They are taxes we pay for a benefit.
Straight up tax n spend welfare. Transfer of wealth from young to old.

Fundamentally no different than food stamps


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That is how it works for years. The young pay taxes for senior benefits. The future of the young is senior and one day it will be your turn to draw.

If you become disable you can draw or if you die your family may qualify to draw.
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