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Old 04-07-2013, 08:15   #76
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Gen 4 Glock 30. She can get it at a good price with the blue label program.
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Old 04-07-2013, 08:17   #77
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Check out Cold Bore Customs. Lane can take the hump out of the backstrap and reduce the overall grip size. The G20 is great, but If her hands are real small it may be best to start with the smaller G22 or G17.
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Old 04-07-2013, 12:00   #78
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I'd just go for the glock...in 9mm. If you need more firepower then it is a good idea to have a rifle. If she wants a .45 it is important to remember that a glock 21 makes you realize what a big gun actually is. Mine's a behemoth and I have medium size hands. There really aren't many .45 caliber pistols I've shot that rival the 1911 in ergos, but the M&P would be one. I tried one at a local range and while I didn't shoot it as well as my g21, it functioned 100% (even with a missing slide release) and felt good in the hand. If she's recoil shy, it's worth mentioning that it felt a little sharper with the M&P, but that's a trade off for a slimmer grip. Keep safe!
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Old 04-07-2013, 12:06   #79
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Just thought of this...

If she's familiar with the 1911 platform, maybe a Para Ordnance? It would be familiar, but they offer the P14, which has 14 rounds of .45 and if they give her choice for her own duty weapon it might work...
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Old 04-07-2013, 12:58   #80
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If she can keep the 1911, get the G20 and train with it until
she can get good follow up shots (double/triple taps).

The 10mm does have more recoil then the 45acp.

I had both the G21 and G20 so I have felt the difference.
The 10mm has a little more recoil, but it's certainly a good weapon. As you have said your wife likes the 20sf, she would like the 29 or 29sf or Gen4 G29. She can use the the G20 magazines (when on duty) and can then use the 29 magazines for off duty. Of course she can do the same thing with the G30 and G21. It will boil down to what caliber she likes better.
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Old 04-07-2013, 13:07   #81
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If she's familiar with the 1911 platform, maybe a Para Ordnance? It would be familiar, but they offer the P14, which has 14 rounds of .45 and if they give her choice for her own duty weapon it might work...
I've had a couple of the double-stack Para Ordnance .45's, and the grip was at-least as fat as is on the Glock 21...I'd stick with a Glock.
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Old 04-07-2013, 14:18   #82
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Control is everything! The FBI backed away from the 10mm because the agents couldn't get reliable hits. The .40 was still a stretch so there exists a .40 Lite that is used my some agents. Hits count!

It isn't just a matter of hitting what you are aiming at. What's equally as important is not hitting what you're not aiming at.

It makes no sense to shoot a 10mm +P+ tankbuster, miss the intended target due to a predictable flinch and take out an innocent bystander 3 blocks away.

Stay with the 1911, pack a couple of extra mags (in pants pockets?) and shoot what you know. Better trigger, better ergonomics, better accuracy, better everything except price, weight and mag capacity. None of which matter.

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Old 04-07-2013, 17:52   #83
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Control is everything! The FBI backed away from the 10mm because the agents couldn't get reliable hits. The .40 was still a stretch so there exists a .40 Lite that is used my some agents. Hits count!

It isn't just a matter of hitting what you are aiming at. What's equally as important is not hitting what you're not aiming at.

It makes no sense to shoot a 10mm +P+ tankbuster, miss the intended target due to a predictable flinch and take out an innocent bystander 3 blocks away.

Stay with the 1911, pack a couple of extra mags (in pants pockets?) and shoot what you know. Better trigger, better ergonomics, better accuracy, better everything except price, weight and mag capacity. None of which matter.

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How do weight and mag capacity not matter? Those would both be near the top of priorities when selecting a duty gun


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Old 04-07-2013, 19:32   #84
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Mag capacity mattered to my department. That is why we still have 9mm Glocks. Looked at the GAP. Reduced cap was not worth it.

I think it is odd that a person with small hands is looking at switching to thicker 45 and 10mm weapons. I have never heard of any dept issuing 10mm except the FBI years ago.

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Old 04-08-2013, 10:11   #85
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I have heard of a few smaller agencies with 10mm's, the Kentucky State Police had it until about 2008. I think they have Glock 35's now.
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The average gun fight is 3 rounds. How many rounds is enough?

Some folks will say 17 rounds, others may be happy with 13 while others figure 8+1 and a few extra mags is just fine.

Weight is more of a factor for plainclothes and walking beats. Still, many agencies are issuing Sigs and they are clearly heavier than plastic guns. 1911s are pretty heavy as well. Somebody isn't concerned about weight.

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Old 04-08-2013, 11:00   #87
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Go for a G17 or G19, or even the G22/23.
Especially with the Gen4 backstraps...for small hands, ideal.

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Old 04-08-2013, 11:18   #88
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My best horror story is a South Florida cop who had a magazine rusted into his weapon that's correct his beloved Gold Cup had not come out of the holster in 2 qualification cycles and his blued magazine rusted into the mag well. He was able to fire 8 shots and then not reload..

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a LEO. Total BS.

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That's my thought as well.

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The average gun fight is 3 rounds. How many rounds is enough?

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Not every encounter will be "average".

If that were true LEO would still have revolvers. 3 extra, right?

Don't bet your life on statistics.
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Old 04-08-2013, 11:38   #89
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So my girlfriend is a police officer and currently carries a kimber 1911 as her duty weapon. She has small hands and due to this chose the 1911 because of the thinner profile grip. She wants a higher cap handgun preferably a glock and we have been looking for one that will fit her and hold up to the conditions she works in. She has came down to the g30 or the g20sf and can't decide. I know everyone is going to say whatever she can shoot better and that is going to be the deciding factor I just want opinions on the 10mm for law enforcement. She shoots the 1911 .45 well I'm sure will have no problems with the g30. The 10mm on the other hand has a higher cap but greater recoil, muzzle blast etc. Any advice/ opinions would be appreciated.
As was said, the Glock 19 or 23 would be a good choice if she doesn't mind carrying a sub-compact.

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Old 04-08-2013, 11:46   #90
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Where are the stats backing the "3 round" claim?

OP, look into custom frame work from quality places like Joey of Diversified Concepts. I believe he does all the frame stuff for AETi. They can do grip reductions , under cuts, etc.

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Old 04-08-2013, 13:16   #91
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I'll echo she needs to go to the range, rent a few guns and shoot them. Since she seems to be set on a .45, she should try a Gen 4 Glock 21, Glock 30sf and the M&P 45. Personally, I wouldn't buy a .45 service pistol without trying the HK 45/HK 45c. It really is a great pistol as long as you can shoot DA/SA or LEM well or are willing to work with them until you can.

The 10mm 20sf as a choice is throwing me off. If she wants a .45, why is she considering a 10mm? Also, can she handle 10mm at speed?
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Old 04-08-2013, 13:17   #92
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Glock 37 in 45 GAP. It's an opition at my dept. Gives you 10 45's in the 9mm size grip. I love mine and you can still get ammo for it. No shortage of it on line. Plus theres the 38 and 39 for off duty.
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Old 04-08-2013, 13:31   #93
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Not every encounter will be "average". Don't bet your life on statistics.

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Old 04-08-2013, 20:22   #94
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As was said, the Glock 19 or 23 would be a good choice if she doesn't mind carrying a sub-compact.

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Those aren't even the sub compacts. The 19 and 23 are the compact versions. Perfect size gun if you ask me.
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Old 04-08-2013, 21:03   #95
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Those aren't even the sub compacts. The 19 and 23 are the compact versions. Perfect size gun if you ask me.
Isn't it the other way around?

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Those aren't even the sub compacts. The 19 and 23 are the compact versions. Perfect size gun if you ask me.
I shoot my 23 better than my 22. I believe it's how the guns fits the shooter.
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Old 04-08-2013, 22:55   #97
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M&P or HK P30 with the small backstraps.
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Old 04-09-2013, 00:33   #98
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A cheaper (than the P30), striker-fired pistol getting great reviews is the Walther PPQ. Sounds like it has a great trigger with short reset. And, it's German made.
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Old 04-09-2013, 01:51   #99
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Glock 22 Gen 4 or Glock 21 Gen 4.

Or HK P30 LEM in .40 S&W.
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For Pete's sake, tell you women to make up her mind. We have 4 pages of suggestions.
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