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Old 03-26-2013, 19:04   #26
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speaking of lib-tards... somebody phoned in a death threat of the place I work, gonna be a blood bath, yada, yada, yada... (I wish people would stay on their meds...) and the folks in charge decide to put the no-guns sign on all the doors. YUP. Yes-sir, that will keep em out. What a bunch of maroons...
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Old 03-26-2013, 19:06   #27
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How much time has to elapse from purchase to resale?

Say I buy a limited production firearm years ago with the intent to sell at a higher price today - criminal act?


Say I bought two identical firearms, one to shoot and one to resell at a later date - criminal act.

Say I bought a crate of mosins to cherry pick the ones I want and sell the rest - criminal act?

Say I bought a milsurp collection, not to keep but to resell piecemeal- criminal act?
There is a difference between letting something mature in value and artificially jacking up the price (or "flipping" I believe you called it)
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Old 03-26-2013, 19:07   #28
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They are ammo speculators.
You can bet these same people howl REALLY loudly when some 22 year old kids sitting in a room full of computers do the exact same thing with oil futures, forcing the ammo speculators to pay an extra $35 bucks to fill up their F250s.

You shoulda bought a Prius and a fuel storage tank, ya schmuck!
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Yeah...I'm pretty bitter too. Got the stamp for my new silencer in February. Haven't been able to get my hands on 147gr 9mm.
Anyone bragging about sitting on 50k rounds of ammo, never ever complain about other people jacking around with prices of commodities you use. Food, fuel, electricity....don't you dare complain.
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Old 03-26-2013, 19:09   #29
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The amo scarcity is for one reason and one reason only: too many retailers refuse to raise prices to market levels.


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Old 03-26-2013, 19:11   #30
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You really don't see what's wrong with what you're doing?
What's wrong with buying and flipping? People do it all the time with things other than firearms and associated accessories? Please explain.

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It's unethical,
What's unethical with buying and flipping? People do it all the time with things other than firearms and associated accessories? Please explain.


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and quite honestly something a scumbag would do.
So you resort to the name calling? Nice.


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You're not a scumbag are you?
Apparently, you think people who buy and flip are scumbags.

Please explain how buying and selling ammo is any different than buying and flipping any other commodity. Please.
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Old 03-26-2013, 19:12   #31
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What's wrong with buying and flipping? People do it all the time with things other than firearms and associated accessories? Please explain.

What's unethical with buying and flipping? People do it all the time with things other than firearms and associated accessories? Please explain.


So you resort to the name calling? Nice.


Apparently, you think people who buy and flip are scumbags.

Please explain how buying and selling ammo is any different than buying and flipping any other commodity. Please.

People do it all the time people do it all the time people do it all the time.....

Doesn't make it right.
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No there isn't

The ammo flippers are doing a good thing.

Where'd all these GT communists come from?


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People do it all the time people do it all the time people do it all the time.....

Doesn't make it right.
What's wrong is demanding someone sell you a box of ammo below the market price. Talk about greed and a sense of entitlement.


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Old 03-26-2013, 19:15   #34
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There is a difference between letting something mature in value and artificially jacking up the price (or "flipping" I believe you called it)
How am I jacking up __X's__ prices in an auction?

How am I jacking up __X's__ prices when if seller agrees to pay my price? At any time the buyer can walk.

I'm not talking about anything firearm related.
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No there isn't

The ammo flippers are doing a good thing.

Where'd all these GT communists come from?


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You really don't see what's wrong with what you're doing? It's unethical, and quite honestly something a scumbag would do.

You're not a scumbag are you?
It isn't unethical. In fact it's good.


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People do it all the time people do it all the time people do it all the time.....

Doesn't make it right.
So if I buy a car, house, or whatever under market value, then flip it at the current market value is wrong?

If you have any gold or sliver, I demand the you sell it at the original price you paid, not the current market value. To do otherwise is unethical and wrong. It sounds silly when I put it that way, right?

Please try to explain why flipping is wrong and unethical as you did a poor job.
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There is a difference between letting something mature in value and artificially jacking up the price (or "flipping" I believe you called it)
No. There is no difference.

Lemme guess. Public schools?


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Old 03-26-2013, 19:25   #39
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LOOSE definition???? IF you want to buy guns to resell you MUST have a FFL, bound book..... The post you commented on. Poster said "I did buy for SOLE purpose of resale" This person is subject to arrest/conviction/never being able to legally TOUCH a gun or ammo.
Now IF I went to Wally World (or other place) Bought a gun, then decided later I didn't care for it. IF I THEN decide to sell it (my understanding is that legal) BUT IF I buy it with intent to resell/I do NOT have a FFL.. Thats a criminal act.
I know what the poster stated. How long is he required to wait to sell it? How many can he sell before he is required to have the dealer license? ATF defines a dealer as "...(A) any person engaged in the business of selling firearms at wholesale or retail, (B) any person engaged in the business of repairing firearms or of making or fitting special barrels, stocks, or trigger mechanisms to firearms, or (C) any person who is a pawnbroker. The term "licensed dealer" means any dealer who is licensed under the provisions of this chapter."

As far as whether he is engaged in the business of dealing in firearms- "...(C) as applied to a dealer in firearms, as defined in section 921(a)(11)(A), a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms, but such term shall not include a person who
makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms;...

Listen, I am not a lawyer or a BATF agent. To the best of my understanding, he isn't required to keep a book of sales. I think he is putting himself at risk but without knowing how discriminating he is being with his sales, I can't be 100% sure. If I was buying 6 or 7 ARs a month, with the intent to sell them, I would sell them to a dealer or put them on consignment and make sure the new purchaser completed the paperwork to make sure I didn't unknowingly arm a prohibited person.
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At what point do we become a hoarder? I have a few thousand FMJ 9mm, probably 500 9mm hollow points, 1000 or so .308.... maybe a few thousand 12 gauge.... but it's built up over the course of a few years.
I demand you sell your 308 to md for 25 cents each


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No. There is no difference.

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If I ran a gunstore, I'd keep most of the ammo under the counter for regular customers and gun buyers, and limit quantities to facilitate this.
That's what one store in town is doing. They have some less common calibers for sale, and a few boxes for every gun they have in stock. You must buy the gun to get the ammo.
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No. There is no difference.

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Perhaps it was the Fred Engels and Chuck Marx School of Economic Studies.
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If I ran a gunstore, I'd keep most of the ammo under the counter for regular customers and gun buyers, and limit quantities to facilitate this.
Rationing.
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Perhaps it was the Fred Engels and Chuck Marx School of Economic Studies.
Don't get me wrong, I think you should have every right to do what you're doing. But I also think you should feel like a scumbag after doing it.

The guy standing behind you in line, his only crime being he got there seconds later doesn't get to enjoy his weekend of shooting because you want to make a quick dishonest buck. You really don't see anything wrong with that?

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I don't get what people are complaining about. You can buy just about any ammo you want online right now


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Life's rough

Become a dealer

Stock up between panics

or put up with the market.

those are the choices.


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Stockpiling is when you have more of something than most people. Hoarding is when other people suddenly want whatever it is you stockpiled.
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I wouldn't even take issue with it if he intended to keep everything he bought (even if it was EVERYTHING)...but to make a quick profit... meh whatever.
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I wouldn't even take issue with it if he intended to keep everything he bought (even if it was EVERYTHING)...but to make a quick profit... such a tool move.
Profit is bad?


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