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Old 03-31-2013, 10:44   #201
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Three terms - obesity, overweight, and out of shape - are being used interchangeably in this thread. Those terms are NOT interchangeable.
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Old 03-31-2013, 10:46   #202
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It is a great idea. This opens the door so that I can fire`employees that do not follow my religious, Political, race, or sexual orientation. Plus I can get rid of the ones that are ugly or that I just do not like.

It also serves as a good launching point to get rid of those damned minimum wage and work hour laws. Imagine our costs if we did not have OSHA and Workers Comp and other intrusions.

If my 1.00 per hour employees would work a honest 16 hour day seven days a week I can see giving the a half hour snack break. My profits would be through the roof.
Seems like you might have a little trouble finding willing applicants. You know, the other half of that free market equation.

Nobody is forced to work for you. They can take their marketable skills to your competitor who pays $40/hr with cadillac health insurance, pension, company car, expense account, club membership, and three months paid vacation. You know, a "living wage."

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Old 03-31-2013, 10:55   #203
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The premise that all fat people cost the employer more than non-fat people do, is faulty. It really is a case-by-case issue.

A few years ago, my company had a layoff. Mysteriously, all those with high medical expenses also vanished, including a thin lady who had been diagnosed with cancer.

But, if my employer wants to toss all fat people and send the work to skinny Thais overseas, so be it. It is the shareholder's corporation. They can do what they want to. There are always ways to get around prevailing laws. And they will suffer the consequences of their actions, eventiually.
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Old 03-31-2013, 11:04   #204
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Seems like you might have a little trouble finding willing applicants. You know, the other half of that free market equation.

Nobody is forced to work for you. They can take their marketable skills to your competitor who pays $40/hr with cadillac health insurance, pension, company car, expense account, club membership, and three months paid vacation. You know, a "living wage."
No one will pay that kind of money when workers rights are put back to the 1700's. The only benifit you will get us a unpaid half hour break. As a bonus I may hire your kids for .25 per hour.
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Old 03-31-2013, 11:19   #205
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No one will pay that kind of money when workers rights are put back to the 1700's. The only benifit you will get us a unpaid half hour break. As a bonus I may hire your kids for .25 per hour.
So, the only reason you or I are paid more than .25/hr is because the gov't requires it? Or your union? Without those two entities, you and I would be destined for poverty? Simply at the mercy of the evil rich guys?
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Old 03-31-2013, 11:49   #206
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I would love to see an article or study that backs up your claim that social media and social media addicts are affecting the bottom line as much as obesity. Please post some sort of facts, not anecdotes or your thoughts, but something that backs that up.
Article or no article, social media use, during business hours, is in fact lost productivity.

Since you need an "article" to state the obvious because your imagination and reasoning skills are that diluted:

http://www.cio.com.au/article/398087...orkplace_cost/

http://www.pcworld.com/article/22837...seriously.html

This is two of dozens found.

"For businesses with 1000 employees, these interruptions cost more than $10 million annually."

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Like I said, it is better for the company and the bottom line. That should be all that matters.

Can your elitist badass self please post some links? Methinks I touched a nerve...
Cherry picking some personal trait you have issues with and forcing it into an argument about how businesses are suffering because of them, is a total joke, a farce, and a easily identified attempt at self-aggrandizement.

There are multiple variables that hamper a company's productivity and their financial performance. Most of them are much, much more important.

Alot of people are over weight because they have to work extra hours overcoming skills gaps that exist because of bratty kids that are too worried about their physique and status updates-- to deliver business results.

The overweight personnel issue, or fatties, as you eloquently call them, is a completely confounded variable in this stupid thought experiment you concocted.

I'd fire you because I have a standing rule forbidding pretentious morons from occupying the air I breathe.
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Old 03-31-2013, 12:02   #207
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So, the only reason you or I are paid more than .25/hr is because the gov't requires it? Or your union? Without those two entities, you and I would be destined for poverty? Simply at the mercy of the evil rich guys?
Allowing companies to descriminate against any one or all three of the obese, over weight or out of shape employees opens the door that as workers we should never allow to be opened.

It is not even a step from that to doing away with descrimination based on Political, religious, race, sex, age, sexual orientation, or just plain like or dislike.

It is only a step from there to do away with all workers rights. With rights are fair labor pay and protection.

Companies are not paying a employee say 40k a year and benefits because they want to be nice. They pay it because there is a minimum pay for unskilled labor and skilled labor adjust up from that point. Take away the`minimum than the skilled pay will adjust down with the labor market.

The commoner would always be destined to poverty with little to no chance of ever getting ahead. A small business owner may make it to what we call the middle class.
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Old 03-31-2013, 12:16   #208
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They might be having an affair or watching porn. How is that relevant?

I am sure it does. But you are not understanding that Obesity costs them more than other issues and any good business will try to lower these costs first. I am sure mental health does not cost nearly as much as obesity does.

Why shouldn't they? You agree to the terms when you are hired. If you dislike it quit. Why is that so hard to understand? You are free and able to say no. They are then free to not hire you.

It is just like a background check, you can say no and they can say thanks for your time but we are going with another candidate.
And you saw me disagree about the overweight or agreeing to terms part of employment where?

There are "costs" to many things we expose ourselves to in life. I simply pointed out the possibility of where it ends, or how far employers should be allowed to go.
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Old 03-31-2013, 12:45   #209
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Allowing companies to descriminate against any one or all three of the obese, over weight or out of shape employees opens the door that as workers we should never allow to be opened.

It is not even a step from that to doing away with descrimination based on Political, religious, race, sex, age, sexual orientation, or just plain like or dislike.

It is only a step from there to do away with all workers rights. With rights are fair labor pay and protection.

Companies are not paying a employee say 40k a year and benefits because they want to be nice. They pay it because there is a minimum pay for unskilled labor and skilled labor adjust up from that point. Take away the`minimum than the skilled pay will adjust down with the labor market.

The commoner would always be destined to poverty with little to no chance of ever getting ahead. A small business owner may make it to what we call the middle class.
Where to begin... ?

If I were an employer (I'm not),

should I not be able to hire or terminate you based on whether I "like" or "dislike" you?
Why not?

What on earth is "fair labor pay and protection" ?
What specifically does that even mean?

What concern should it be to me whether you as a "commoner" employee are in poverty or not?
How does whether you are able to "get ahead" become my problem or concern?
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Old 03-31-2013, 17:33   #210
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In my opinion BMI testing can be deceiving. Im fairly short and muscular and they say I should lose weight. Heck I told them at the company wellness deal I am trying to put on another 10lbs of muscle. Non smoker, light drinker, and good overall health, but don't fit there little chart.
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No one will pay that kind of money when workers rights are put back to the 1700's. The only benifit you will get us a unpaid half hour break. As a bonus I may hire your kids for .25 per hour.
Rights?

Workers have rights beyond what every other citizen has?
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Old 03-31-2013, 17:48   #212
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Agreed. If you dislike your employers policies, then find a new employer who has policies you agree with.
Or slack off as much as possible and do the bare minimum and break as many rules as you can without getting fired Not that I would do that, but I see it all the time. Bad or unpopular rules and policies can cost companies as much as unhealthy people. I usually go along with whatever the company wants to do, just glad to have a good job but a lot of people don't see it that way.

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Allowing companies to descriminate against any one or all three of the obese, over weight or out of shape employees opens the door that as workers we should never allow to be opened.

It is not even a step from that to doing away with descrimination based on Political, religious, race, sex, age, sexual orientation, or just plain like or dislike.

It is only a step from there to do away with all workers rights. With rights are fair labor pay and protection.

Companies are not paying a employee say 40k a year and benefits because they want to be nice. They pay it because there is a minimum pay for unskilled labor and skilled labor adjust up from that point. Take away the`minimum than the skilled pay will adjust down with the labor market.

The commoner would always be destined to poverty with little to no chance of ever getting ahead. A small business owner may make it to what we call the middle class.
This honestly sounds like stuff you would hear at a commie rally

You realize you can't take advantage of anyone by offering them a job right?


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Maybe they should make shareholders take a Physcal as well! I mean why should a fat over weight person(shareholder) be able to make money of fit workers!
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Maybe they should make shareholders take a Physcal as well! I mean why should a fat over weight person(shareholder) be able to make money of fit workers!
Shareholders are the owners. Who's going to .....

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They fired them because the employee chose to remain until they could be fired. If an employer demanded that you provide them with sex would you not tell them to piss up a rope and walk away?

I would.
No. They would get an a** whooping and then I would blackmail them for lots of money and tell them I will sue and go to the media ect..Joking!
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In my opinion BMI testing can be deceiving. Im fairly short and muscular and they say I should lose weight. Heck I told them at the company wellness deal I am trying to put on another 10lbs of muscle. Non smoker, light drinker, and good overall health, but don't fit there little chart.
I agree that for lean, muscular types the formula breaks down, but across a population it is probably fairly meaningful. If the average BMI for a mid-sized company of office workers is 29, you could probably draw a reasonable conclusion. For an individual it could paint a very wrong picture.

It would seem that the BMI could be much more accurate if waist measurement was a factor. A guy with a BMI of 29, and a 31 inch waist is probably not pushing "obese". Of course asking to measure somebody's waist seems more intrusive than just weight and height.

Any decision that is based on an individual's BMI should allow some sort of appeal or way to qualify that the person is not actually overweight or obese as the chart may indicate.

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Article or no article, social media use, during business hours, is in fact lost productivity.

Since you need an "article" to state the obvious because your imagination and reasoning skills are that diluted:

http://www.cio.com.au/article/398087...orkplace_cost/

http://www.pcworld.com/article/22837...seriously.html

This is two of dozens found.

"For businesses with 1000 employees, these interruptions cost more than $10 million annually."

Go ahead and play the game where you question the source.

Cherry picking some personal trait you have issues with and forcing it into an argument about how businesses are suffering because of them, is a total joke, a farce, and a easily identified attempt at self-aggrandizement.

There are multiple variables that hamper a company's productivity and their financial performance. Most of them are much, much more important.

Alot of people are over weight because they have to work extra hours overcoming skills gaps that exist because of bratty kids that are too worried about their physique and status updates-- to deliver business results.

The overweight personnel issue, or fatties, as you eloquently call them, is a completely confounded variable in this stupid thought experiment you concocted.

I'd fire you because I have a standing rule forbidding pretentious morons from occupying the air I breathe.
I am laughing so hard here, I can't catch my breath.
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Actually the Obama phone should be called the Reagan phone. He started the program. Many people are misinformed and they choose to call it the Obama phone.

Either way, I don't follow. I am saying that unhealthy people should be eligible to be fired for being unhealthy. And since they willfully chose to be unhealthy they should not qualify for those programs.
It seems that the Obamaphone people disagree.

http://obamaphone.net/

The Okie Corral

Under Reagan, a program was started to provide free 911 service. Not quite the same thing as having a free cell phone with free voice and text at taxpayer expense.
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If they are going to insist in getting into your private life then go all the way.
Fire an employee that uses a cell phone while driving.

Definitely fire dopers.

Fire employees that don't eat enough fresh fruit.

Fire employees that drive too old a (unsafe) car.

Fire an employee that doesn't get enough sleep.

Of course fire everyone when they reach the age of 50.

Fire any woman with big boobs and a nice butt. She is a distraction that may get someone hurt while looking at her.


No, I'm really tired of people, government, work, whatever getting into peoples private lives.

As a pilot it was my responsibility to maintain decent enough health to fly but I think such as that is the limit.
great post...thanks buck..
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my wife had breast cancer.. she had a mastectomy, I hope she isn't deemed unfit for her job. being not perfect in some big shots eyes..
I guess time will tell...

I wonder if that would be a good law suit?
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Maybe they should make shareholders take a Physcal as well! I mean why should a fat over weight person(shareholder) be able to make money of fit workers!
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It seems that the Obamaphone people disagree.

http://obamaphone.net/

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Under Reagan, a program was started to provide free 911 service. Not quite the same thing as having a free cell phone with free voice and text at taxpayer expense.
Where is the taxpayer expense coming from? Trying reading what you post man.

http://obamaphone.net/what-is-the-obama-phone1/

Sorry but it is coming from cell companies, not tax dollars.

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I am laughing so hard here, I can't catch my breath.
Sounds like you might need to start working out. Out of breath from laughing?

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Under Reagan, a program was started to provide free 911 service. Not quite the same thing as having a free cell phone with free voice and text at taxpayer expense.
Wasn't just 911, it was basic phone service. The Reganphone wasn't a cell phone, but they didn't exist back then. Those came about in 2005...when another Republican was President.

http://www.fcc.gov/lifeline

Since 1985, the Lifeline program has provided a discount on phone service for qualifying low-income consumers to ensure that all Americans have the opportunities and security that phone service brings, including being able to connect to jobs, family and emergency services. In 2005, Lifeline discounts were made available to qualifying low-income consumers on pre-paid wireless service plans in addition to traditional landline service. Lifeline is part of the Universal Service Fund.
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