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Old 04-01-2013, 02:32   #226
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Three terms - obesity, overweight, and out of shape - are being used interchangeably in this thread. Those terms are NOT interchangeable.
I fully agree and that shows that people saying those things don't know what they are talking about.
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Old 04-01-2013, 06:01   #227
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Well, you got to realize that the obama care deal is a big tax and redistribute the wealth scam. And who knows what else is in there. Gov could go anywhere with this healthcare plan. Be careful what you wish for.
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:48   #228
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Where is the taxpayer expense coming from? Trying reading what you post man.

http://obamaphone.net/what-is-the-obama-phone1/

Sorry but it is coming from cell companies, not tax dollars.
I am so glad you bit on that baited hook.

Telecommunications bills have a "Universal Service Fee" on them for all consumers. They call it a fee, but it is a TAX!.
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Old 04-01-2013, 11:51   #229
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I hope more companies take these sorts of steps. As a stock holder it will be good for the country. I would rather they fired out of shape folks to help raise stock values and save on salaries.

But either way, perhaps they will start requiring physicals prior to hiring. Imagine if they start telling smokers that they are ineligible to be hired as they tested positive for tobacco and they told fatties that they are too heavy and must lose weight before they can be hired. Hopefully this will help the nation with its obesity epidemic.

What do you all think?
I think its fantastic!

As a business owner, health care costs are a huge issue. The cost of providing coverage is skewed by a few that are willfully out of shape. The result is that we have to raise co-pays and insurance limits for everybody.

I tried to introduce incentives in the late 1990's and ran into a wall of anti-discrimination red tape. The Affordable Health Care Act gives me the leverage to address this issue to the benefit of all.

And yes I absolutely would fire anybody who willfully neglected their health to the level that it affected insurance or performance and who refused to address the issue.

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Old 04-01-2013, 11:56   #230
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It's not an invasion of your privacy if you agree to the terms. If you don't, look elsewhere for a job. That's what it boils down to. I don't necessarily like it either but that's the way of the future. The fact is we are going broke, as a country, and poor health choices is one of the main factors.

Start drug testing welfare recipients too.
Totally agree with all of this
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Old 04-02-2013, 00:12   #231
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Do you smoke? Cancer. You're fired.
Do you drink at all? Liver failure. You're fired.
Do you drive to fast? Risk taking behavior. You're fired.
Do you have a pet? Disease exposure. You're fired.
Are you over 45? Higher health risk. You're fired.
Do you shoot? Lead exposure. You're fired.


Do you people really not understand where this goes? If we wouldn't allow the federal government to ask us the damn questions on a form, why is it ok for an employer to invade your privacy?
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Old 04-02-2013, 00:16   #232
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Do you smoke? Cancer. You're fired.
Do you drink at all? Liver failure. You're fired.
Do you drive to fast? Risk taking behavior. You're fired.
Do you have a pet? Disease exposure. You're fired.
Are you over 45? Higher health risk. You're fired.
Do you shoot? Lead exposure. You're fired.


Do you people really not understand where this goes? If we wouldn't allow the federal government to ask us the damn questions on a form, why is it ok for an employer to invade your privacy?

Because its not an invasion of privacy.


You being overweight, is not private. If it affects my company, it is MY business.
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Old 04-02-2013, 01:08   #233
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Good, fat out of shape lazy people should have to pay a lot more for things than I do
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Old 04-02-2013, 01:18   #234
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A 6'3" man weighing 204 pounds has a BMI of just under 25. If he bulks up by 6 pounds, he becomes rated as "overweight" on the post-1998 BMI evaluation.

Do you really trust an employer to make that rating call?
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Old 04-02-2013, 01:27   #235
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Good, fat out of shape lazy people should have to pay a lot more for things than I do
Why would you say that? Unless their weight/health results in higher costs and less profits I can't see any reason why you'd charge more. I mean, if I'm selling Cheese Doodles, I might even give fat people a discount and make it up on volume.
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Old 04-02-2013, 02:20   #236
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I hope more companies take these sorts of steps. As a stock holder it will be good for the country. I would rather they fired out of shape folks to help raise stock values and save on salaries.

But either way, perhaps they will start requiring physicals prior to hiring. Imagine if they start telling smokers that they are ineligible to be hired as they tested positive for tobacco and they told fatties that they are too heavy and must lose weight before they can be hired. Hopefully this will help the nation with its obesity epidemic.

What do you all think?
What do I think? I think people like you that think its great are just dumb a-hole's. This is commie land coming to the USA. Can't you see it. Where does it stop! Let's see your great grand dad or dad had hart problems so you pay more. They say you may have the geen for cancer. So you pay way more. Then they tell you you need to eat more greens,etc,etc. Get it. Hey you like to shoot what! Ammo had lead no go. More money from you now. Get it.
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Old 04-02-2013, 02:29   #237
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Just to play devil's advocate:

If you work for a private company, do they not have a say in various aspects of their employees' lifestyle? For example, if you want to come to my house and I ask you to leave your gun at home, I would expect you to comply.

What about dopers? Something tells me that delivery companies probably don't want their employees chasing a rainbow-farting dragon down the middle of a crowded sidewalk in the company vehicle.

What about obese people? Insuring them costs the company and the rest of the employees more money. Barring the rare case of an actual medical reason, isn't it appropriate to have them shoulder some of the burden for their healthcare? Why should I have to pay more for my healthcare coverage when I hardly ever use it? The same applies to smokers.

My point is, nobody is dictating to any private company how they should manage their employees. If a business wants to promote wellness (and their bottom line), it is their choice on how they do it. And it is your choice to work there or work elsewhere.

Want to set your own rules, start your own business and manage your employees as you see fit.
OK so you pay more because you have guns & shoot ammo has lead in it etc,etc.Get it. By the way I am not fat.& don't smoke & never did never will. And what if you get sick? Then you have to pay more? Your fine for 10years then get sick & they get to bang you for big $$$$. Bull!!!!!
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Old 04-02-2013, 05:32   #238
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The majority of deaths in the fire service have become due to cardiac issues. Sudden heart attacks and a history of pervious cardiac surgery is an epidemic.

As a 20 year veteran, I find it maddening that a grown man whose fitness level could affect the ability to do what the public expects a Fire Fighter to be capable of, lets their bodies and fitness become pathetic.

Obesity and cardiac issues are the elephant in the room of the fire service.
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Old 04-02-2013, 14:00   #239
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I fully agree and that shows that people saying those things don't know what they are talking about.
Please explain.
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Old 04-02-2013, 14:03   #240
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I think its fantastic!

As a business owner, health care costs are a huge issue. The cost of providing coverage is skewed by a few that are willfully out of shape. The result is that we have to raise co-pays and insurance limits for everybody.

I tried to introduce incentives in the late 1990's and ran into a wall of anti-discrimination red tape. The Affordable Health Care Act gives me the leverage to address this issue to the benefit of all.

And yes I absolutely would fire anybody who willfully neglected their health to the level that it affected insurance or performance and who refused to address the issue.
It is good to see that some people understand. I don't think it is right to call it discrimination as you are just protecting your business. There is no problems when you look at it like that.
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Old 04-02-2013, 14:13   #241
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What do I think? I think people like you that think its great are just dumb a-hole's. This is commie land coming to the USA. Can't you see it. Where does it stop! Let's see your great grand dad or dad had hart problems so you pay more. They say you may have the geen for cancer. So you pay way more. Then they tell you you need to eat more greens,etc,etc. Get it. Hey you like to shoot what! Ammo had lead no go. More money from you now. Get it.
I am a dumb a-hole? You are the one who is unfamiliar with communism. This is capitalism. The government telling business owners how to run their business and who they can and cannot fire, it is the definition of socialism and a stepping stone towards communism. I suggest a few history and social studies type classes and reading up on it to gain a better understanding. I would also suggest some sort of remedial spelling classes and basic English courses. You misspelled the word "gene" and the word "heart" which makes it hard to take you seriously. I am also unsure what the statement about lead in ammo "no go" means. I assume you are German from the flag in your pic.

Either way, I have my theories about why you would be upset about an employer firing the fatties at work. Are you overweight? I am willing to bet you are obese. I may have touched a nerve. You must understand that it harms not only yourself, but all of society. It harms everyone because socialists like you are asking for the government to regulate businesses to such an extreme degree. This harms me and impedes my freedom as an American. I should not have to pay more money to insure these people as they refuse to put down the beer and they refuse to stop stuffing their faces.

As far as my grandpa having heart problems, how is that relevant? My grandfather took care of himself. If he was having heart problems, well he would not want everyone else to pay for it, he would have stepped up like a man should and paid for it himself. Only the pathetic and the weak demand that others pay for them because they refuse to do it for themselves.
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Old 04-02-2013, 21:30   #242
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On April 12, 2012 ChiTownPicaro updated his weight on Bodybuilding.com as 391 pounds. On September 30 his weight was 349 pounds. As I was reading this thread I noticed the use of the word fattie over and over in almost every post you made so I figured you were a big ole boy who hates fat people because you hate yourself. How much are you down to now? When I searched your screen name and pulled up the bodybuilding site I figured I was wrong, that you must be a weight lifter but after seeing how much weight you lost I know it was not muscle. I figure at the rate you were going, if you are keeping it up, you are close to being under 300 but since you have not updated that profile lately did you slip and put some back on? Just wondering.
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Old 04-02-2013, 21:37   #243
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his sarcasm throughout this thread is very clear. Given this information, it appears he is bellyaching (no pun intended) about workplace policies against people like him

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Old 04-02-2013, 23:04   #244
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:56   #245
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Because its not an invasion of privacy.


You being overweight, is not private. If it affects my company, it is MY business.
This this the key point. As a business owner my health care costs are dramatically skewed upwards by a few obese smokers.

I welcome the new rules. Overall my company will save money and my employees who choose healthy lifestyles will no longer be subsidizing the few who choose unhealthy lifestyles - thank you Obamacare!!!

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Old 04-03-2013, 11:09   #246
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This this the key point. As a business owner my health care costs are dramatically skewed upwards by a few obese smokers.

I welcome the new rules. Overall my company will save money and my employees who choose healthy lifestyles will no longer be subsidizing the few who choose unhealthy lifestyles - thank you Obamacare!!!
You are a business owner? Really?

I am calling bull and you are either Chi's other posting dummy or you are some Obummer lemming.
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