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Old 03-27-2013, 06:23   #251
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90 percent of the people posting is this thread are hoarders.

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Old 03-27-2013, 06:46   #252
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The poster I am discussing suggested that he/she was more prepared and not one of those new gun owners and was concerned because those people had no training but he watched videos. My implication is that if all it takes is watching youtube videos, then everyone can be an expert after watching some videos. I am sure someone would be more than capable after watching some videos of someone else shooting a gun, as the poster in question mentioned Hikock45. I must be an expert MMA fighter since I have watched quite a few hours of fights and watched numerous youtube videos.
Right. I was there...hence my question. BTW, the part in red is fiction. Not only did you make that up, but the poster actually expressed concern that in NJ, there is no training requirement.

Again, where was it implied that watching videos was all it takes? I'll save you some time... it wasn't.
I'll break it waaay down, unnecessarily, like you did. You're creating a false issue with the poster's comment. Specifically, you're trying to pin a made-up, irresponsible assertion regarding firearms knowledge on the poster.
The MMA argument would only be valid if the poster implied that "watching videos was all it takes," ...which he never did.

Your attempt to pin some "I watched a video now I'm an expert!" character on that poster fails, and I'm glad to point it out. Mainly because a new shooter taking the initiative to learn should be praised and encouraged, not arrogantly questioned under false pretenses. Make sense?

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Old 03-27-2013, 07:19   #253
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No, it's not your problem. Help who you can. But drop the Christ complex, you can't save all sinners. People do have a responsibility to get proper training and learn firearms safety and responsibility, especially when it pertains to innocent children. But if you're going to take that tact, then you need to be preaching to drunks in bars,...

form a one man search team, and inspect every household in your town, with chemicals stored under sinks and in cabinets that can harm children and pets, do fire and smoke alarm checks, etc. etc...


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Hear hear.

The "It's for the children" histrionic is a famed socialist tactic for sounding the false alarm, which most good and decent Americans are duped by this kind of rhetoric every year this legislation comes up to DC.
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Old 03-27-2013, 07:20   #254
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Well stated.

When you noted that you recall that photofeller was "an Obama supporter in the threads pertaining to the election," I thought, doesn't that fit him to a T.

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I see you are still yappin' about me today. And this time you're dishing out plain untruths. I'm a Republican, and always have been. What I am not is a far-right zealot.

Not only did I vote for Romney, but I worked for and financially supported him.

You guys love to paste labels on folks who disagree with your extreme thinking. In this thread I've been called a Libtard, an Obama supporter, a supporter of background checks [I did post in a poll on background checks that they would be reasonable for non-family sales] and registration. I've been compared to Biden and other advocates of gun control. More untruths, and thats the only reason I need to respond.

I'd rather not continue this with you, RJ, but I will if necessary. Bear in mind that review of my posts will show I have been perfectly reasonable in this thread up to the point of being harassed after throwing in the towel on a losing position. I was jumped on by you and your cronies to the point that I was compelled to respond. I was even called distrustful and suspicious for using the term 'common sense' (an anti-gun term?).

Let's put this dust up aside for the benefit of this thread.

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Old 03-27-2013, 07:33   #255
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You mean like your monkey feces rebuttal?

Your posts do not reflect that at all. You admit you have no facts to back up your assertions but you continue with

That reads IMHO, "I don't have any proof. I shouldn't need any proof to prove I'm right" Not that you have been educated and corrected.

You want respect, but you don't give it. It works both ways...
This^ (With the addition of, "Okay, let's see.")
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Old 03-27-2013, 07:36   #256
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I see you are still yappin' about me today. And this time you're dishing out plain untruths. I'm a Republican, and always have been. What I am not is a far-right zealot.

Not only did I vote for Romney, but I worked for and financially supported him.

You guys love to paste labels on folks who disagree with your extreme thinking. In this thread I've been called a Libtard, an Obama supporter, a supporter of background checks and registration. More untruths, and thats the only reason I need to respond.

I'd rather not continue this with you, RJ, but I will if necessary. Bear in mind that review of my posts will show I have been perfectly reasonable in this thread up to the point of being harassed after throwing in the towel on a losing position. I was jumped on by you and your cronies to the point that I was compelled to respond. I was even called distrustful and suspicious for using the term 'common sense' (an anti-gun term?).

Let's put this dust up aside for the benefit of this thread.
You are a supporter of background checks. You make it sound like someone is putting words in your mouth. You side with the anti-gunners more than with 2A supporters. A brief review of your posting history proves that.

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I think a system to check backgrounds of private buyers in sales between non-family members is reasonable.

I have been attending gun shows for 30+ years, and I know how common private sales are between strangers. Anonymous deals happen all day with agreement on price being the only barrier to closing sales. I've sold and bought my fair share of guns at shows, and I never cared who the buyer or seller was.

With regard to a fee for a background check, I'd split it with the other party.
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:55   #257
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You are a supporter of background checks. You make it sound like someone is putting words in your mouth. You side with the anti-gunners more than with 2A supporters. A brief review of your posting history proves that.

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show...8&postcount=41
Bring on some citations, dawg, and we'll chat about each one. I've done a little search of my posts as well, so I'm ready when you are. Show us or shut up. If your brief review found some anti-gun posts of mine, it shouldn't be hard to retrieve them.

My posts ARE my words and I'll stand (or fall) by them; just don't take excerpts out of context.

Bring it on!

By the way, the link you provide in your post appears to be legit. I opined that a background check for sales between non-family members would be "reasonable". Yep, I said it.

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Old 03-27-2013, 11:50   #258
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That's because I never said he was deemed by the "gub'mint" to be unstable...I listened to his lies, his made up stories and figured it out on my own. Don't twist my words into something you want to use to make an example. I'm not easily tripped up by people who try to bait me.
You said you were going to get him registered as mentally unstable. And that hopefully after you did that, he would be "unfit" to carry. Well you are going to register him with who to get him declared unstable? And who decides that "unfit" people get to carry? You are suggesting that you want the big nanny gub'mint to decide that "unfit" people should not carry a gun. What gives the gub'mint the right to decide that unfit people should not carry? Seems like you are a big gub'mint Obama voting socialist who wants the gub'mint to decide our rights based on your whims about others.
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I see you are still yappin' about me today. And this time you're dishing out plain untruths. I'm a Republican, and always have been. What I am not is a far-right zealot.

Not only did I vote for Romney, but I worked for and financially supported him.

You guys love to paste labels on folks who disagree with your extreme thinking. In this thread I've been called a Libtard, an Obama supporter, a supporter of background checks and registration. I've been compared to Biden and other advocates of gun control. More untruths, and thats the only reason I need to respond.

I'd rather not continue this with you, RJ, but I will if necessary. Bear in mind that review of my posts will show I have been perfectly reasonable in this thread up to the point of being harassed after throwing in the towel on a losing position. I was jumped on by you and your cronies to the point that I was compelled to respond. I was even called distrustful and suspicious for using the term 'common sense' (an anti-gun term?).

Let's put this dust up aside for the benefit of this thread.
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Bring on some citations, dawg, and we'll chat about each one. I've done a little search of my posts as well, so I'm ready when you are. Show us or shut up. If your brief review found some anti-gun posts of mine, it shouldn't be hard to retrieve them.

My posts ARE my words and I'll stand (or fall) by them; just don't take excerpts out of context.

Bring it on!

By the way, the link you provide in your post appears to be legit. I opined that a background check for sales between non-family members would be "reasonable". Yep, I said it.
Ok tough guy, why are you getting your panties in a wad for being labeled as someone that supports background checks? You implied that was erroneously attributed to you in this thread. I just provided the link where you said you were for background checks. You went further in that thread suggesting that it was more than just reasonable. Which is it? Are you for it or against it? If you are for it, you were labeled correctly in this thread. Don't get all pissy when your words are used to judge you.
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Ok tough guy, why are you getting your panties in a wad for being labeled as someone that supports background checks? You implied that was erroneously attributed to you in this thread. I just provided the link where you said you were for background checks. You went further in that thread suggesting that it was more than just reasonable. Which is it? Are you for it or against it? If you are for it, you were labeled correctly in this thread. Don't get all pissy when your words are used to judge you.
And yet after that, he still tries to play the "noble, high-ground card",

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His overall use of language and tenor makes it seem unlikely that contradictions and inconsistencies are accidental, so I wonder what the real game is?
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You said you were going to get him registered as mentally unstable. And that hopefully after you did that, he would be "unfit" to carry. Well you are going to register him with who to get him declared unstable? And who decides that "unfit" people get to carry? You are suggesting that you want the big nanny gub'mint to decide that "unfit" people should not carry a gun. What gives the gub'mint the right to decide that unfit people should not carry? Seems like you are a big gub'mint Obama voting socialist who wants the gub'mint to decide our rights based on your whims about others.
Okay now...I would very much like it if you could provide a link or the actual text where I said I was going to get him registered as mentally unstable...lets start there and see what you come up with because you seem to have an unfortunate habit of making things up to suit yourself at the expense of the other person. He's my ex, I have no desire to have any contact with him, let alone get the "gub'mint" involved. Like I said, I don't cater to liers and baiters, so show the proof or recend your lies.
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Old 03-27-2013, 12:21   #262
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My posts ARE my words and I'll stand (or fall) by them; just don't take excerpts out of context.

I opined that a background check for sales between non-family members would be "reasonable". Yep, I said it.

Were you not just whining and crying, in post #254, supra, about how unfairly you are treated and how mean some people are to you (you poor boy, we do feel sorry for you) stating “You guys love to paste labels on folks who disagree with your extreme thinking. In this thread I've been called a Libtard, an Obama supporter, asupporter of background checks and registration.”And, low and behold, what happens but Whoflungdo (post # 256, supra) finds a quote from you evidencing that you do, indeed, support background checks. You try to cover your ass by attempting to differentiate your position by stating “I opined that a background check for sales between non-family members would be "reasonable”, but we all know that the overwhelming majority of firearms transactions are “between non-family members”, so you are not fooling anyone.

How was your quote, as cited by Whoflungdo, an excerpt taken "out of context"


You have to hold the record, on this forum, of complaining the most, whining and crying and wringing your hands, the most and whaling and lamenting, the most, about your harsh and unjustified treatment by other forum members. You must have led a very shelter life to feel so abused, by what amounts to nothing. It is disgusting, really.

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For starters, we're 300+ million people and growing. The pursuit of bigger, better homes, more cars, larger screen TVs, boats, and all the other must-have luxuries pushed moms to work. Weary parents, distracted by career demands, discovered its easier to "give 'em what they want" than teach responsibility, self reliance, working and saving for a baseball glove or a new bike. Instant gratification replaced individual initiative. Personal debt replaced saving accounts.

Personal responsibility? Whats that? Gosh, it sounds hard!
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How was your quote, as cited by Whoflungdo, an excerpt taken "out of context"

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It was in a poll thread where it asked if you support Universal Background checks of all places...

He went on and on after several people pointed out it's inability to stop felons from getting weapons, that it would only affect the law abiding gun owner, and it's inevitable path to confiscation. He then went on to use the "showing ID to purchase alcohol" analogy so loved by the anti's and gun-control crowd. Then he wonders why he gets lumped into the gun control crowd...
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Oh Yea!

Which is one reason why I no longer belong to a range. I once witnessed a shooter turn and speak to her friends, still holding the revolver at your standard firing level. I caught the Rangemaster's attention, and when she did it a second time, was kicked off the firing line! Plenty of outdoor shooting locations out here. Cheers.
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I would say that you suffer from the same misconception as PF.

"Personal responsibility? Whats that? Gosh, it sounds hard! "


Neither understand that "personal responsibility" is just that. PERSONAL. It is nothing that can exist by or because of, Government mandate. Quite in fact "Government mandated personal responsibility" is an oxymoron.
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Some of you seem to think that "training" will be a magic fix for the stupid herd of morons utterly lacking in common sense who, without any experience with firearms, go out and buy one and think that alone solves all their problems. Training will not fix stupid. Training WILL fix ignorant, but more gov't regulation won't make that happen any more than it already does. The newbs in your classes are ALREADY GETTING TRAINING, or they wouldn't be in your classes, because they recognize their own ignorance.

Just because you cannot think of a better solution, doesn't mean gov't involvement is the right solution, or even a helpful solution. Stop looking for Nanny Gov't to wave her wand and fix your issues, because that wand is a whip, and it will eventually become the rod she uses to beat you to death, after she has decided that you, too, shouldn't own a gun.
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Old 03-27-2013, 13:04   #268
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My son, at 4 years old, knew better than to touch. I never put them up, I never left them unloaded. He is awesome at gun safety. Teach them while they are young and they will grow up with respect for the firearm.
I agree!

Isn't it truly amazing what happens when parents teach!

I'm an old fart, and I'm amazed by how many of us didn't shoot ourselves when we were little, why, because we were actually taught something.

There are lots of old farts around, so that means we all must have learned something.

I grew up around loaded guns. So did my 3 siblings. We also grew up with leaded paint, and cleaners and solvents under the sink. We weren't killed in an auto accident because we didn't have a seat belt or air bags and yada yada yada...

I could easily fill as many pages here, with all the nanny state crap that we have to put up with in our nanny world today, as there are useless gun laws.

We will probably see about as many new gun owners shoot someone as all the other cries of "blood will run in the streets!"

Worrying about all the other people doing this or that, and they should be doing this, instead of that, got us to where we are now in this screwed up world.

Many here would fit right in with Bloomfart. No guns, no big sodas, no this, no that. How many time must you be told. You can't take care of yourself, no, no .no!

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I would say that you suffer from the same misconception as PF.

"Personal responsibility? Whats that? Gosh, it sounds hard! "


Neither understand that "personal responsibility" is just that. PERSONAL. It is nothing that can exist by or because of, Government mandate. Quite in fact "Government mandated personal responsibility" is an oxymoron.
I did not mean that the government should step in. IMHO there are too many adults out there that were never taught personl responsibility at home.
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ETA: I hurt myself with a knife too many times growing up, but never once had any mishaps with a gun. I didn't know the "Knife Safety Rules."
WHAT???? You were never taught about the 'blood circle' in Scouts? Always whittle away from yourself.
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Ok tough guy, why are you getting your panties in a wad for being labeled as someone that supports background checks? You implied that was erroneously attributed to you in this thread. I just provided the link where you said you were for background checks. You went further in that thread suggesting that it was more than just reasonable. Which is it? Are you for it or against it? If you are for it, you were labeled correctly in this thread. Don't get all pissy when your words are used to judge you.
You are right, and I was wrong. I did participate in a poll thread on background checks and commented that checks would be reasonable for non-family transactions. While I had forgotten about the background check statements, the fact remains that I made the comments.

If it appears I have been disingenuous on this point, I probably have. For that I owe you guys an apology.

In recent weeks I have responded to a couple of phone surveys by saying I oppose background checks. Nevertheless, my post was what it was.

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