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Old 03-22-2013, 19:40   #51
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Whoa guys, I'm just trying to stir some discussion, I don't take a $600 investment lightly, that's a lot of hard earned dollars and I like to make as educated of a decision as possible.

As for links, I'm on my phone at work. All I did was google "lock n load vs dillon 550" and did it again for 650 and was greeted with several forum posts discussing it, with a few people who'd owned both and preferred the LNL, mostly for the primer system and significantly lower cost (the LNL is more comparable to the 650 than 550).

If I've overstepped my bounds or offended anyone, it was not my intention.
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Old 03-22-2013, 19:52   #52
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You did not offend anybody. Colorado is to LNL and FCD as Fred is to Titegroup and Whisky is to buying targets.
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Old 03-22-2013, 20:06   #53
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Not offended. Also not believing that a lot of people have owned both. Most just buy the LnL then use their buddies Dillon. They don't actually spend the ownership time with both presses. They also are biased to what the own.
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Old 03-23-2013, 07:41   #54
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Not offended. Also not believing that a lot of people have owned both. Most just buy the LnL then use their buddies Dillon. They don't actually spend the ownership time with both presses. They also are biased to what the own.
For the sake of argument, have you owned a LNL?
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Old 03-23-2013, 08:08   #55
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I have owned....in this order.....

LCT- I should never have sold it.
LoadMaster- Never worked right.
550- Great press.
LnL- went to the factory twice for adjustment. Would not seat primers. Only 99% effective with priming. Other issues are...Slider does not capture the cases so short cases like 9mm fall off. Found a fix for that. Slider did not push case into shell holder properly. Many other issues that are just poor QC and I fixed. It was rare to load 100 RDS and not have a issue of some kind. To Hornady's credit the gave me 100% refund on the press and everything I bought.
650. Like the 550 only a lot faster. Its rare to have a issue in 500 rds
A press that screws up is a safety issue in my book. It might lead to that moment of distraction that causes me to make a really stupid mistake. It does lead to me not trusting my ammo and effects my shooting.
LCT. I bought another one after the 650. Good basic little press.
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Old 03-23-2013, 08:34   #56
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I have owned....in this order.....

LCT- I should never have sold it.
LoadMaster- Never worked right.
550- Great press.
LnL- went to the factory twice for adjustment. Would not seat primers. Only 99% effective with priming. Other issues are...Slider does not capture the cases so short cases like 9mm fall off. Found a fix for that. Slider did not push case into shell holder properly. Many other issues that are just poor QC and I fixed. It was rare to load 100 RDS and not have a issue of some kind. To Hornady's credit the gave me 100% refund on the press and everything I bought.
650. Like the 550 only a lot faster. Its rare to have a issue in 500 rds
A press that screws up is a safety issue in my book. It might lead to that moment of distraction that causes me to make a really stupid mistake. It does lead to me not trusting my ammo and effects my shooting.
LCT. I bought another one after the 650. Good basic little press.
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Old 03-23-2013, 08:35   #57
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For the $130 they cost way back when, the SD's were a great deal. I would step up (and have) to 650's if what you intend to load warrants it.

Other than price I don't have any bashing to do on the SD and I still use mine from time to time to work up loads. They are the best presses I have for that job.

A few years ago I even converted one of my 45 acp tool heads/dies to load 45 GAP that I shot at IDPA nationals out of one of my 625's. Placed 1st MA in ESR, so the ammo they load is fine as long as they casegauge.


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Old 03-23-2013, 08:38   #58
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Even rigged up a case feeder for one, once it was concluded on another forum that it couldn't be done.

Video http://s121.photobucket.com/user/jmo...02172.mp4.html

I have at least one of all the Dillion's and have had both pre and post EZ ject LNL's.

I never clicked with the LNL and the best thing I can say about the 550 is that it's faster to convert calibers than the others. Other than that, I'll take an auto advancing press. I really only use mine for rounds that I load enough of that I don't want to use a turret but not enough to load on a "real" progressive. 458 socom, 300 win mag and such.

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Old 03-23-2013, 09:23   #59
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As to speed, and it was stated above, as long as you have to let go of the handle to load a case, you won't see much difference in speed between presses.

It's the case feeder that makes all the difference! The 550 case feeder is an afterthought while the 650 and 1050 were designed to have them from the beginning.

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This as been said many times, auto indexing IS NOT any faster than manual indexing. As C4W notes, cost isn't even cheaper if you already have 2 die sets. The 550 is just that much better, the 650 better still.
Equip the same, he LNL & 650 are the same cost as well & also a better press. Your decision, you've been given lots of good intel.
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Old 03-23-2013, 09:28   #60
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I would actually like to see the link is to that info. People who Owned both. I only know a handful of people that meet that standard in the forums I frequent.
Not owned both but loaded enough on a LNL to be able to compare the two. If you just want an auto indexing, case feeder progressive, the LNL works. If you want a better case fed progressive, it is the 650 for several reasons.
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Old 03-23-2013, 10:09   #61
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Get what you feel will produce what you need. It took less than a year at 100 rds a week of .45 for me to have payed for my 650 with case feeder and .38 and .223 are just a bonus. The difference in price between even a lct and a fully set up 650 is not that much over the course of time .
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Old 03-23-2013, 10:54   #62
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You might have noticed that there is a tendency on the forum to try and up sell you. The reason for that is a lot of us started small and cheap. and then went through a progression of presses. It would have been cheaper just to start with something a lot better. But some times people forget that each hobby has a price point that each individual is willing to spend.
When I upgraded from the Lee turret to the 550 I was willing to spend that much money but doubling the cost at that time didn't make since to me. So I bought the 550. A few years latter the price of a 650 was reasonable to me but not the 1050. So I upgraded to the 650 and sold my 550. Had I started with the 650 I would have saved money. But a price point is a price point. Buy what you are comfortable with.
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Old 03-23-2013, 11:19   #63
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Each of the steps up to the 650 I was able to sell for near what I payed for them so I did not lose anything along the way. I used the 650 without the casefeeder for a while and it is still worth far more than the small difference in cost between it and the 550 or sdb. Stopping to load the case feed tube every 15-20 rounds is still better than stopping with every pull.

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Old 03-23-2013, 11:53   #64
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Buy a 550 instead. Then you can use any standard die you want.
Totally agree especially if you are going to reload other calibers down the road ie.. 40 S&W, 45 ACP with a RL550B just change out the toolhead and if need be the primer feeding system and away you go.
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I think I could make an argument that auto indexing is faster than manual but by how much depends on how the rest of the press is set up and how you run it.

The main advantage is that all of the other Dillon presses will advance to the next station before the powder charge fail safe will reset. This makes it somewhat less likey that one throws a double.

Would also argue if you pay that little attention to the process, you should just buy loaded ammo.
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Get what you feel will produce what you need. It took less than a year at 100 rds a week of .45 for me to have payed for my 650 with case feeder and .38 and .223 are just a bonus. The difference in price between even a lct and a fully set up 650 is not that much over the course of time .
Yep, over20yrs, $3/m vs $5/m, but everyone oes not need a 650.
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Get what you feel will produce what you need. It took less than a year at 100 rds a week of .45 for me to have payed for my 650 with case feeder and .38 and .223 are just a bonus. The difference in price between even a lct and a fully set up 650 is not that much over the course of time .
Yep, over 20yrs, $3/m vs $5/m, but everyone does not need a 650.
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Wow, I knew the day would come when Fred started talking to himself.
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Yep, over 20yrs, $3/m vs $5/m, but everyone does not need a 650.
The payback at 100 rounds of .45 a week average 18.00 savings per 100 is
8 weeks for lct
20 weeks for sdb
27 weeks for 550
34 weeks for 650 without case feed
46 weeks for 650 with case feed

This is based off of press alone with one set of dies .45 is what I load the most so I know exactly what my per 100 cost is vs factory your savings will vary but it remains the same the payback for even a relatively extravagant set up is not a lot.
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I have owned 3 SDB, they make great ammo. down to 1 now in 45acp. I am a brass hog and the only issue I ever had was major 9mm cases and not getting resized all the way down. caused some issues in tight chambers.

for the $60 mentioned above I would go with the 550, and thats from a guy who likes the SDB.
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The payback at 100 rounds of .45 a week average 18.00 savings per 100 is
8 weeks for lct
20 weeks for sdb
27 weeks for 550
34 weeks for 650 without case feed
46 weeks for 650 with case feed

This is based off of press alone with one set of dies .45 is what I load the most so I know exactly what my per 100 cost is vs factory your savings will vary but it remains the same the payback for even a relatively extravagant set up is not a lot.
Now a days, with a tank of fuel costing over $100 and a set of tires over $1000 and both are complete losses down the road, I don't worry about investing in good equipment.

The SD's I paid $130 for new and used all these years are worth more, not less. Looking on eBay the other day almost made me want to sell one of my 650's. There are people out there getting $2000 for a 650 that doesn't even have all the bells and whistles.
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The payback at 100 rounds of .45 a week average 18.00 savings per 100 is
8 weeks for lct
20 weeks for sdb
27 weeks for 550
34 weeks for 650 without case feed
46 weeks for 650 with case feed

This is based off of press alone with one set of dies .45 is what I load the most so I know exactly what my per 100 cost is vs factory your savings will vary but it remains the same the payback for even a relatively extravagant set up is not a lot.
I don't know what your costs for .45 ACP are but mine are $120/1000. That's not especially low but lead costs money.

Somebody who is shooting a couple of boxes a week probably shouldn't be reloading at all but, if they do, an LCT is more than adequate. They simply don't load enough to take advantage of a 650 with case feeder.

However, when the entire family eats out of one ammo can, it's possible to go through 1000 rounds in an outing. That's only 250 rounds per person which isn't really all that much. The only reason it isn't more is the range rule that only one person can shoot at a time. If we were all on the firing line at the same time, that can would be empty in a real big hurry.

Then it simply gets down to how much time to spend reloading. Sure, it can be done on a single stage press. This gives a reloader and opportunity to enjoy reloading for a VERY LONG TIME!

For $60 (given that dies are in hand), the question about SDB vs 550 is a foregone conclusion. There is no advantage to the SDB in terms of anything so the little bit extra for the 550 is no big deal.

After that it gets down to volume. How long do you want to enjoy reloading before you get all the empties refilled? Do you want to enjoy the process for a long time or do you want to get it over with?

I'm in the 'get it over' camp. Reloading isn't my hobby, shooting is. Reloading is just a cost of having fun.

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I got word this am that I could get a brand new LNL ap for about the price of the SDB.. That changes things a bit for me, might have made my decision..
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Have fun, either way you go. I load on both Red and Blue

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