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Old 03-21-2013, 19:07   #26
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When I bought my first 550 I was going to get the square deal as it is cheaper and I only intended to load 40 sw. Next thing you know I bought a 9mm. Blink twice and I added 223 to the mix.
Plans change!

I never expected to load .40 S&W. I saw no earthly reason to get involved in that cartridge since I shoot .45 ACP. Well, my wife bought her surplus duty weapon and here we are. Not only that, she has two new P229 Elites on order. We're going to be knee deep in .40 S&W. Plans change...

There was a time when .308 and .223 (5.56) surplus ammo was pretty cheap, perhaps even cheaper than reloading. Not any more! Now the stuff is around $1 a shot. Of course I want to load rifle!

I too would go for the 550 over the SDB. You just never know what's coming up next.

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Old 03-21-2013, 19:33   #27
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You all make good points. I bought the LCT because it was cheaper and I'd upgrade later. Why should I go for the cheapest option again. While I am turned on by the perceived speed of the SDB, I suppose the versatility of the 550 is better. Plus I like the FCD, so there!
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Old 03-21-2013, 19:50   #28
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sdb is no faster then a 550.
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Old 03-21-2013, 19:52   #29
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Some people like things that suck. You will learn with time. Enjoy the journey.
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Old 03-21-2013, 19:54   #30
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There's a barebones 550 that's only $250ish, is the RL550b worth the extra $200?
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Old 03-21-2013, 19:57   #31
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Yes, because the 550BL doesn't have a primer system, powder measure, It only loads one case at a time. It's not a progressive press. More of a Turret Press.
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Old 03-21-2013, 20:02   #32
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Buy from Brian enos or direct from dillon? Why?
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Free shipping over $400 from Brian. Support a Legend of the shooting sports and a great supporter of our shooting sports.
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Old 03-21-2013, 23:13   #34
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As Steve said, there's no speed advantage of the SDB over the 550. If you want speed, get the 650 with casefeeder.

It would be very helpful for you to find someone in your area that would let you get your hands on one of these... Any stores in the area that sell them? Friends? Neighbors? Countrymen...?
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Old 03-22-2013, 03:08   #35
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Yeah, I have friends with each.. Good idea..
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550 takes a little time to become familiar with and be fast with it. Most people seat the bullet in station three after they index. Several of us here seat the bullet in station two before indexing as the ram is just reaching the bottom of its stroke just after powder drop. If you do that you can never double charge by pulling the handle twice. You also look in every case just as the powder is dropped. Its a great system once you get the hang of it. Also a little faster.
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Old 03-22-2013, 06:11   #38
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Ok, allow me to throw another wrench in the system.

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Ok, allow me to throw another wrench in the system.

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You all make good points. I bought the LCT because it was cheaper and I'd upgrade later. Why should I go for the cheapest option again. While I am turned on by the perceived speed of the SDB, I suppose the versatility of the 550 is better. Plus I like the FCD, so there!
Speed? Even Dillon doesn't believe that the SDB is faster than the 550.

http://www.dillonprecision.com/#/cus...-reloader.html

The difference in cost between the SDB and 550 is $60 (since dies are already at hand) and, since I save $14 per box of 50 .45 ACP, that comes out to about 4 boxes. By the time I have loaded those 4 boxes, I have recovered the difference.

The LnL isn't as highly regarded around here as the Dillon stuff. I don't have a LnL but I have 3 Model 360 shotshell loaders and they always worked well. Not as well as my Ponsness Warrens but they made good ammo for trap and skeet.

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As to speed, and it was stated above, as long as you have to let go of the handle to load a case, you won't see much difference in speed between presses.

It's the case feeder that makes all the difference! The 550 case feeder is an afterthought while the 650 and 1050 were designed to have them from the beginning.

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Ok, allow me to throw another wrench in the system.

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Read my SIG. People often get tired of the LnL and its quirks. Makes my job easier.
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550 takes a little time to become familiar with and be fast with it. Most people seat the bullet in station three after they index. Several of us here seat the bullet in station two before indexing as the ram is just reaching the bottom of its stroke just after powder drop. If you do that you can never double charge by pulling the handle twice. You also look in every case just as the powder is dropped. Its a great system once you get the hang of it. Also a little faster.
^This.

And you may want to do some searching to find out how many issues have cropped up, over time, with the LNL.

You're really chasing your tail here. EVERY progressive, unless it has a casefeeder and/or a bulletfeeder, will require you to take your hand off the handle, so their speeds will all be similar!

Not to sound harsh, but you've received a lot of good advice and there's lots of good information here to be found through searches... So go read some more and think about what matters to YOU. We all live with our own decisions, after all.
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I suppose the versatility of the 550 is better. Plus I like the FCD, so there!

I suppose????

Can't use your FCD with out it. Just the fact you have a "preference" on a die proves the 550 is the only good choice when it comes to the SDB/550 debate.

Don't get me started on the LnL. They are pretty. I will give you that.
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I gotta be honest guys, there's a lot of recent positive LNL reviews out there from people who've owned blue and red..
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http://www.brianenos.com/forums/inde...ic=156590&st=0

Even ElNino is now wishing he bought a 650. Search it out on this forum.

Reality is if you look hard enough you will find what you want to support either press. Several of us on this forum have owned a LnL and a 650. Its not even a close choice IMHO. Sure the LnL has some cool features. After owning one I found those features made zero difference in the end. Pick the fussy press if you like. Its your time and money.
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I gotta be honest guys, there's a lot of recent positive LNL reviews out there from people who've owned blue and red..
Must be from the 1911 guys.

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I would actually like to see the link is to that info. People who Owned both. I only know a handful of people that meet that standard in the forums I frequent.
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I would actually like to see the link is to that info. People who Owned both. I only know a handful of people that meet that standard in the forums I frequent.
Really, that is the only relevant comparison. Sure, I have guzzled the Blue Kool-Aid but I'm the first to admit that I have never even seen a LnL AP. I saw one on a video and it looked pretty nice. But I have driven one!

We already have our presses and can only offer our opinions and suggestions. It is up to the OP to decide which of the many sources of information he values most.

But it doesn't make much sense to come here, get our opinions and then state that other opinions are different and imply they are somehow more valuable or accurate.

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