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Old 03-18-2013, 16:33   #21
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It's good to think these things out, but I wouldn't want to get too fixated on a canned response when real life throws so many curve balls.
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Old 03-18-2013, 16:40   #22
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I wonder why he did the video really.

I HAVE interveined in situations to defend innocent people and I will always do it.

Twice I had to testify in court because I involved myself in "their" drama. I am NOT a person to watch anything out of the ordinary. I respond to things I am not involed in. I am dangerous to some people and loving to others. I was raised to be like this and as I age I will have to trim my attitude to keep from getting hurt.

If I can clearly understand a delima of choice, I WILL choose.

I used to have "Sheepdog" in my signature. Now, I'm an old man with a way of doing things out of the ordinary.
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Old 03-18-2013, 17:10   #23
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Good overall attitude, but, sometimes, just plain good old fashioned human decency can force you into action. You might not want to get involved; I might not want to get involved, either; but there are times when stepping in is just the right thing to do. Sometimes ya just got 'a call um like you see um, and hope for the best.
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Old 03-18-2013, 17:33   #24
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More like a lesbian cougar.
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Old 03-18-2013, 17:52   #25
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I always imagine that people talking about being a sheep dog carry one of these as well.

The Okie Corral

I carry to protect me and mine. If I see you or yours in an altercation; I will stick around to be a good witness as long as it does not put me in any danger.

Once you start looking to inject yourself into a situation that you know will require the use of your weapon, you are no longer carrying for personal defense. Oklahoma is a castle state, I have no duty to retreat; but I also have no legal standing if I take action against someone that was not a threat to me.
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Old 03-18-2013, 17:57   #26
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Life is too variable to try to think of all the potential scenarios. Best be trained and have good situational awareness.
Beyond that, and with all due respect all options are on the table, including doing nothing.
It does not escape me, that the people I "might help" probably wouldn't remember my name, while my family would be grieving.
I'll take it as it comes.
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Old 03-18-2013, 18:05   #27
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Sounds likes he's trying to justify his stance to himself. Sad way to go through life.
BS. He is 100% correct.
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Old 03-18-2013, 20:50   #28
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The sheepdog thing isn't "cheesy", it's childish. It's desperately seeking admiration
So sayeth the person with an avatar named after a fictional former insurgent and bank robber turned drunkard who has a tendency to speak with his pistol, played on the big screen by a western legend...
I will agree with you that the average Joe who is walking around referring to himself as a sheepdog because he is carrying is probably looking for attention and more of a danger to himself and others than he is helpful.
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Old 03-18-2013, 21:10   #29
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I always imagine that people talking about being a sheep dog carry one of these as well.

I carry to protect me and mine. If I see you or yours in an altercation; I will stick around to be a good witness as long as it does not put me in any danger.

Once you start looking to inject yourself into a situation that you know will require the use of your weapon, you are no longer carrying for personal defense. Oklahoma is a castle state, I have no duty to retreat; but I also have no legal standing if I take action against someone that was not a threat to me.

Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?
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So sayeth the person with an avatar named after a fictional former insurgent and bank robber turned drunkard who has a tendency to speak with his pistol, played on the big screen by a western legend...
That' some stupid **** right there, I don't care who you are, that's stupid ****.
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Old 03-18-2013, 21:15   #31
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Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk?
No; it all began with an article written by Dave Grossman titled: On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs

http://www.gleamingedge.com/mirrors/...sheepdogs.html
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Old 03-18-2013, 21:18   #32
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Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?
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Old 03-18-2013, 22:18   #33
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THAT didn't start on GT/GNG, either, but there are a lot of examples to be found.


I've always thought the "sheepdog" thing was kind of dumb, but that's because I think calling people "sheep" is dumb. People make different choices in their life. If I choose to carry a gun, that doesn't make me better than someone who doesn't feel comfortable doing so. It just means I've made a different choice.

And yes, I fully expect to get mocked for saying that on a gun forum. But that's because there are so many "sheepdogs" here to show me the error of my ways.....
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Old 03-19-2013, 03:02   #34
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I'm not either. I have no duty or obligation to protect anyone outside of my family. Why open myself to personal and financial harm for someone else who won't take their personal defense seriously and they would most likely not pee in my ear if my head was on fire if the shoe was on the other foot.
You have a very dim view of the world sir.
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Sounds likes he's trying to justify his stance to himself. Sad way to go through life.
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More like a lesbian cougar.
That is absolutely cruel.... but funny as all heck!
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Old 03-19-2013, 06:52   #38
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As someone else said, there are far too many scenarios to say for sure just what I might do in any of them, but for now the only way I would intervene in a situation is if there was obvious danger of a child, woman or elderly person losing life or limb.

My goal in life is to not find myself in a situation that requires the use of my weapon. I certainly do not see a need to go out of my way to find trouble.
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Old 03-19-2013, 07:06   #39
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The moron on the video is thinking of want-to-be-mall-ninjas, a sheepdog is a different animal altogether.

He is correct, not everyone is a sheepdog. Some like the guy in the video will apparently sit idly by when he finds himself in the middle of a Beslan experience. Fair enough.

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Old 03-19-2013, 07:26   #40
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It does seem like many CCWers, especially those who have never been in the military or law enforcement, are more Pomeranian than Sheepdog.

As long as they aren't a liability to the rest of us, I guess not being able to depend on our fellow citizens is no less than we should expect. It's always interesting to read their attempts to justify it here, as if explaining why not taking a risk to help others is logical or justifiable makes it less cowardly.
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