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Old 03-19-2013, 10:02   #51
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Yeah I donīt know why no one would recommend 115 gr +P+ BPLE. Helluva round, street proven too.
http://www.m4carbine.net/showpost.ph...7&postcount=37
"The 124 gr HST is a better load than the 115 gr 9BP."

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=50434
"...bullet designs like the 9BP/BPLE, Silver Tip, Hydra-Shok, and Black Talon were state of the art 15 or 20 years ago. These older bullets tend to plug up and act like FMJ projectiles when shot through heavy clothing; they also often have significant degradation in terminal performance after first passing through intermediate barriers. Modern ammunition which has been designed for robust expansion against clothing and intermediate barriers is significantly superior to the older designs. The bullets in the Federal Classic and Hydrashok line are outperformed by other ATK products such as the Federal Tactical and HST, as well as the Speer Gold Dot; likewise Winchester Ranger Talons, Ranger Bonded, and Ranger Partition are far superior to the old Black Talons or civilian SXT's."
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Old 03-19-2013, 11:09   #52
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Not ignored--just not recommended by this source.
I wonder what it is about the WW and Fed 9mm 115gr JHP +p+ loads (or just +p for that matter) that disqualifies it?
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I wonder what it is about the WW and Fed 9mm 115gr JHP +p+ loads (or just +p for that matter) that disqualifies it?
My read of this discussion is that newer, heavier bullet designs perform better than the 115gr under some conditions, and there isn't any advantage to the 115s. Based on this, I carry:

Federal HST 147 gr JHP (P9HST2), which chronos at 976 fps from my G19.

Winchester Ranger-T 127 gr +P+ JHP (RA9TA), 1260fps from my G19. That's a power factor of 160--just shy of making USPSA major!

Of the two, the 147 P9HST2 has MUCH less perceived recoil and is definitely not as loud as the Ranger-T +P+.
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My read of this discussion is that newer, heavier bullet designs perform better than the 115gr under some conditions, and there isn't any advantage to the 115s. Based on this, I carry:

Federal HST 147 gr JHP (P9HST2), which chronos at 976 fps from my G19.

Winchester Ranger-T 127 gr +P+ JHP (RA9TA), 1260fps from my G19. That's a power factor of 160--just shy of making USPSA major!

Of the two, the 147 P9HST2 has MUCH less perceived recoil and is definitely not as loud as the Ranger-T +P+.
Should I stop carrying my WW 115gr JHP +P+ rounds?
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Old 03-19-2013, 12:35   #55
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Should I stop carrying my WW 115gr JHP +P+ rounds?
I can't answer that for you. I think DocGKR knows his stuff, so I have followed his recommendation. I moved the Hydrashocks I used to carry into the "backup ammo" storage area because I now carry "better" loads. That said, I think the difference is probably pretty slight. I do like those 147s though...so much less blast.
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I can't answer that for you. I think DocGKR knows his stuff, so I have followed his recommendation. I moved the Hydrashocks I used to carry into the "backup ammo" storage area because I now carry "better" loads. That said, I think the difference is probably pretty slight. I do like those 147s though...so much less blast.
I am thinking about changing over to the 9mm 147gr +p load for the better penetration.
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Which load you going for?
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Which load you going for?
I'll see what CorBon offers first, then Winchester/Remingtom/CCI.
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