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wavetrain75 · 03-10-2013, 12:00

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Originally Posted by GreenDrake

Sig, but be careful, you may catch the Signess.

Is that the Six Hour flu?

bac1023 · 03-10-2013, 12:34

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Originally Posted by mjkeat

Yes you're correct. Asking a bunch of "back in my day" "what could have been" "if only I was young again" "it's fact because I say so" types living through their forum "accomplishments" to back their claims is horrible.

The only way this is dragging everyone down is by injecting a little reality into the fantasy world some have created here.

But hey, I'll play the bad guy.

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Why are you even in this thread?

Do you realize how stupid you sound asking for supporting evidence for things that have been fact for 100+ years? Are you serious?

Man, just when I thought I had seen it all on GT, you come around. Good God

I ask you again, do you have an opinion on the question raised by the OP? If not, get out of the thread.

Seriously? · 03-10-2013, 12:50

The reason I can't back the Luger is that the OP seemed to be asking for something similar to the 1911.

In other words a classic that can still be used for personal protection and concealed carry.

The Luger just doesn't fit that definition. It's a great military collectible, but it's far different from the Hi Power and 1911.

Although the S&W Model 39/59 were indeed trend setters in the history of the 9mm--let's face it--they were not really a great design, nor a great success and they did fall out of favor.

That's why I chose the Hi Power in the first place, but it all depends on how you interpret the OPs question.

countrygun · 03-10-2013, 12:52

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Originally Posted by mjkeat

Yes you're correct. Asking a bunch of "back in my day" "what could have been" "if only I was young again" "it's fact because I say so" types living through their forum "accomplishments" to back their claims is horrible.

The only way this is dragging everyone down is by injecting a little reality into the fantasy world some have created here.

But hey, I'll play the bad guy.

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2

mjkeat · 03-10-2013, 15:36

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Originally Posted by bac1023

Why are you even in this thread?

Do you realize how stupid you sound asking for supporting evidence for things that have been fact for 100+ years? Are you serious?

Man, just when I thought I had seen it all on GT, you come around. Good God

I ask you again, do you have an opinion on the question raised by the OP? If not, get out of the thread.

Correct or not w/o support your claim of fact is nothing but opinion.

As far as the OP when I hear 9mm I think workhorse like Glock or M&P.

glock2740 · 03-10-2013, 17:01

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Originally Posted by mjkeat

As far as the OP when I hear 9mm I think workhorse like Glock or M&P.

So far in this thread, this is the ONLY thing you have said, that wasn't talking straight out of your ass. Do yourself a favor and STFU and leave it be. The OP asked a question. You finally gave your answer. Now move on.

bac1023 · 03-10-2013, 17:08

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Originally Posted by glock2740

So far in this thread, this is the ONLY thing you have said, that wasn't talking straight out of your ass. Do yourself a favor and STFU and leave it be. The OP asked a question. You finally gave your answer. Now move on.

I couldn't have said it better myself, Joe

mjkeat · 03-10-2013, 17:29

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Originally Posted by glock2740

So far in this thread, this is the ONLY thing you have said, that wasn't talking straight out of your ass. Do yourself a favor and STFU and leave it be. The OP asked a question. You finally gave your answer. Now move on.

Sorry to hear.

Sorry, "it's fact because I say so" is good enough for you. I will continue to question those who claim fact w/o supporting it. If others did as much, things would be a lot better around here. The more knowledge based, as compare to the opinion pieces, the better. But then again you all seem to prefer treating this more as a social networking site that a firearms forum.

Such potential crushed by a few worshiping minions and self inflated guys living in "what could have been."

The, been there done thats, who could really add to the overall credibility of the site pass on by.

bac1023 · 03-10-2013, 18:28

The reason I pick the Hi-Power over the Luger is this:

The OP asked which gun is to 9mm the way the M1911 is to 45ACP. The Hi-Power was designed for the 9mm, much like the 1911 was designed for the 45ACP.

The 45ACP was not designed for the 1911, in the way the 9mm was designed for the Luger. If we were talking 38 Super and the 1911, it would make sense to pick the Luger for 9mm.

The Hi-Power was designed from the ground up as a 9mm, much like the 1911 was designed from the ground up for the 45ACP. The Luger was not designed for the 9mm. The Luger was designed before the 9mm even existed.

...just my logic and opinion, of course, but I hope it makes sense.

glock2740 · 03-10-2013, 18:38

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Originally Posted by mjkeat

Sorry to hear.

Sorry, "it's fact because I say so" is good enough for you. I will continue to question those who claim fact w/o supporting it. If others did as much, things would be a lot better around here. The more knowledge based, as compare to the opinion pieces, the better. But then again you all seem to prefer treating this more as a social networking site that a firearms forum.

Such potential crushed by a few worshiping minions and self inflated guys living in "what could have been."

The, been there done thats, who could really add to the overall credibility of the site pass on by.

What an ass clown. When you can make some logical sense out of this, then get back to me. Hell, get back to any of us. As I haven't seen a single person agree with you yet. So far in this thread, you've done nothing but make a complete ass out of yourself and show how stupid and childish you are. Does your mommy know your in her basement and off your meds and on her computer again?

bac1023 · 03-10-2013, 18:56

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Originally Posted by glock2740

What an ass clown. When you can make some logical sense out of this, then get back to me. Hell, get back to any of us. As I haven't seen a single person agree with you yet. So far in this thread, you've done nothing but make a complete ass out of yourself and show how stupid and childish you are. Does your mommy know your in her basement and off your meds and on her computer again?

Yeah, I don't get this guy at all.

There are trolls and then there are flat-out whackjobs. I think we're dealing with the latter.

I love how he asks for supporting evidence for something that happened 100 years ago, like I just made a new discovery.

Where does it end? If I state that 5 and 5 is 10, does he need supporting evidence??

mjkeat · 03-10-2013, 19:33

I don't expect others to agree w/ me considering the environment. If you, bac types, agreed w/ me that would mean you'd have to face the fact your self worth is based on your ability to collect rather ability to do.

An insane amount of firearms and I bet you are anything but proficient w/ any of them. You must be proud.

But hey now I'm stooping to your level. Let's get back on topic. So, where are the links? Copy and paste the text if supplying a link isn't in your skill set.

glock2740 · 03-10-2013, 19:35

Hey mjkeat, did you ever realize that this entire thread is about opinion? The OP asked for personal thoughts and opinions. Your very first post in this thread contributes nothing to the OP's question. Obviously you have a problem with Brian owning so many guns. I own quite a few myself. Does that put me on you "enemies of mjkeat" list? Damn I sure hope it does.

The quicker you STFU and go have intercourse with yourself, the better off you'll be. Not to mention how much better off everyone in this thread will be. I have seen not one single person stand with you in your assinine statements. That's kind of a hint that it just might be you...

glock2740 · 03-10-2013, 19:38

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Originally Posted by mjkeat

I don't expect others to agree w/ me considering the environment. If you, bac types, agreed w/ me that would mean you'd have to face the fact your self worth is based on your ability to collect rather ability to do.

An insane amount of firearms and I bet you are anything but proficient w/ any of them. You must be proud.

But hey now I'm stooping to your level. Let's get back on topic. So, where are the links? Copy and paste the text if supplying a link isn't in your skill set.

If I can afford as many guns as I own, you think I can't afford ammo? You truly are a clown. I bet I shoot more rounds in a month than you've shot in the past 2 years.

bac1023 · 03-10-2013, 19:51

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Originally Posted by glock2740

If I can afford as many guns as I own, you think I can't afford ammo? You truly are a clown. I bet I shoot more rounds in a month than you've shot in the past 2 years.

That's the funny thing about it. I don't think he realizes you can have a lot of guns and shoot at the same time. In another thread, he stated that he tried collecting and got bored with it.

I told him that once he learns how to walk and chew gum at the same time, he might figure out how to buy guns and shoot at the same time...

It's really hard for me to fathom how somebody could make this big a horse's ass out of himself on a public forum. Wow

glock2740 · 03-10-2013, 20:08

Sometimes mommy don't come down to the basement. Sometimes she just don't know what's really going on down there. Shame. Just pitiful.

JimIsland · 03-10-2013, 20:11

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Originally Posted by Cole125

Browning Hi-Power, CZ 75, 92fs, and Glock 19/17 all come to mind when I think 9mm.

Exactly what comes to mind.

mjkeat · 03-10-2013, 20:18

2470, The part I commented on has nothing to do w/ opinion

I highly doubt you do but in reality round count just like gun ownership has nothing to do w/ proficiency. I have seen shooters burn 500 rounds a week who couldn't shoot.

And you're correct, it is a hint. It's a hint that the firearms community is void of actual shooters but full of gazers. Well, not all of them. There are some sites full of real shooters. You'll find that those sites don't allow people to make claims of fact w/o supporting evidence.

That said my point has been made, claims should be supported. Maybe I should be a little more tactful in my approach but what the hell.

I should let you old guys have your glory regardless of how hollow it is.

countrygun · 03-10-2013, 20:18

He has got to be a poster child for helmet laws.

I have never seen anyone above the age of 10 take his approach.

"I don't want to take your word for something, I want you to prove it to me" Cheezits Crisp does he think he is "King S&%t" ? I know he can read but apparently nobody has taught him that if you don't think someone is correct the burden is on YOU to do the research to disprove them. He isn't anybody that anyone else should feel obliged to spoon feed information to.

The only adults I have ever met, without a medical reason, who talked like that, were a group of people, I went to college with, who were there on oil money and used to having servants to do their research and thinking for them. Same kind of arrogant attitude. Since I am not sure about his origins and see no language clues he is in the second group, I can only conclude he belongs in the first group.
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**hi-power man** · 03-10-2013, 20:21

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Originally Posted by 427

Browing/FN Hi-power or Cz75

These are the ones.

bac1023 · 03-10-2013, 20:31

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Originally Posted by countrygun

He has got to be a poster child for helmet laws.

I have never seen anyone above the age of 1 take his approach.

"I don't want to take your word for something, I want you to prove it to me" Cheezits Crisp does he think he is "King S&%t" ? I know he can read but apparently nobody has taught him that if you don't think someone is correct the burden is on YOU to do the research to disprove them. He isn't anybody that anyone else should feel obliged to spoon feed information to.

The only adults I have ever met, without a medical reason, who talked like that, were a group of people when I went to college who were there on oil money and used to having servants to do their research and thinking for them. same kind of arrogant attitude. Since I am not sure about his origins and see no language clues he is in the second group, I can only conclude he belongs in the first group.
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I tried telling him that till I was blue in the face in another thread. It is not my job to provide him with evidence, because I frankly don't give two damns whether he believes me or not. He can go on being an ignorance ass the rest of his life and I won't lose a minute of sleep.

Why he thinks it's my job to provide him with documentation, I have no idea. Now, if I were trying to prove a new theory of mine to someone of importance, I could see the need to back my claim.

What I was telling him were not "claims" as he likes to call them. They were simple facts and were common knowledge and were also easy to look up.

***faawrenchbndr*** · 03-10-2013, 20:31

So, I was at the archery range today,.......

mjkeat · 03-10-2013, 20:33

The burden of proof falls on the person making the claim.

When the geologist claimed the Earth was one big mass was it the communities burden to prove him wrong or did the burden fall on his shoulders? The burden to prove his claim as fact was his alone.

When bac makes a claim of "bona-fide" "real" or of history it is his burden to prove himself correct.

glock2740 · 03-10-2013, 20:35

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Originally Posted by mjkeat

2470, The part I commented on has nothing to do w/ opinion

I highly doubt you do but in reality round count just like gun ownership has nothing to do w/ proficiency. I have seen shooters burn 500 rounds a week who couldn't shoot.

And you're correct, it is a hint. It's a hint that the firearms community is void of actual shooters but full of gazers. Well, not all of them. There are some sites full of real shooters. You'll find that those sites don't allow people to make claims of fact w/o supporting evidence.

That said my point has been made, claims should be supported. Maybe I should be a little more tactful in my approach but what the hell.

I should let you old guys have your glory regardless of how hollow it is.

Can someone please translate? I don't speak dumbass. I haven't an idea what his post meant. Really. I don't.

***faawrenchbndr*** · 03-10-2013, 20:35

Give it up Mike, you are acting like a ......