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Old 03-09-2013, 10:54   #26
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Old 03-09-2013, 13:12   #27
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Old 03-09-2013, 15:16   #28
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There are many good choices out there depending on the person. I know you said you don't want another Glock, but everyone seems to be giving you their personal favorites.
So, here's mine.

Glock 17

a good second choice would be the Beretta 92.

I'm not trying to diss the Browning Hi Power or Sig 226 or any other handgun. These are just the choices I've made for myself after shooting the majority of 9mm's out there.
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Old 03-09-2013, 15:51   #29
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I agree BUT I remember when the original 39 series was considered "the P-38 done right" and it was the first DA auto and the first in 9mm to be purchased by a PD, but the 59 was groundbreaking in a different respect. When it came out there were only 2 other double stack 9s, the Highpower and the MAB, but the 59 is still kind of "second generation" groundbreaking.

IMO, if it weren't for the highpower and the 39 leading the way, (and the history of both designs in VN played a part) the 9mm might not have ever become popular in the US.

I was thinking Model 59 because I am thinking it was the first (somewhat) popular double action double stack 9mm pistol. But I agree that there other pistols in the evolution, any of several which are probably more iconic and probably more enjoyable to shoot.
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Old 03-09-2013, 18:48   #30
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I agree with the Hi Power but I think the S&W Model 59 deserves some honorable mention based on the history and evolution of transition from revolvers to pistols here in the US.
I'd actually put the 39 before the 59, Bruce.

It was around quite a bit before.


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Old 03-09-2013, 19:13   #31
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When I think of M1911, I think of .38 Super and not any other caliber.
The 38 Super was developed for the 1911, but the 1911 was developed for the 45ACP.
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The Luger. It was released in 1897-1901 based on region. Many people are not aware it was based on a American design. The Browning was a much later design and is much closer to the "modern" handgun designs
Yeah, but the Luger wasn't developed for the 9mm. It was the other way around.
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In order of my preference I say:

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The 38 Super was developed for the 1911, but the 1911 was developed for the 45ACP.

BAC do you have any supporting evidence for this statement. ahahahahhaahahahhaahhahaha

The first 3 classic firearms that come to mind when mentioning 9mm would be the BHP, S&W 39 and the Beretta. I have never shot a S&W 39, that one is still on my bucket list.
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.45=1911 9mm=???

So anyone feel free to let me know what you think?


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kind of a generational issue, your love of history may determine your choice
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BAC do you have any supporting evidence for this statement. ahahahahhaahahahhaahhahaha
Yeah, calling that guy a troll is an insult to the trolls among us, lol.

What a tool...
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kind of a generational issue, your love of history may determine your choice
Good point

The Hi Power has history, pedigree, great looks, great ergonomics, etc, etc

It's my favorite 9mm of all time.
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The 38 Super was developed for the 1911, but the 1911 was developed for the 45ACP.






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BAC do you have any supporting evidence for this statement. ahahahahhaahahahhaahhahaha

The first 3 classic firearms that come to mind when mentioning 9mm would be the BHP, S&W 39 and the Beretta. I have never shot a S&W 39, that one is still on my bucket list.
Yes, link to the documentation supporting these claims or should we just except it as fact because you said so?


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Old 03-09-2013, 20:58   #43
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Yes, link to the documentation supporting these claims or should we just except it as fact because you said so?
Bac1023 is correct.

It's common knowledge. Just read any history of the Luger.
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Bac1023 is correct.

It's common knowledge. Just read any history of the Luger.
Forget it. He's hasn't figured out how to google anything yet and he lacks any common knowledge.

He's the biggest troll I've seen on GT in many, many years.
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How about the claims of the .38 Super and .45? We only seem to be focusing on 1/3 of the story.

If it's common knowledge it should be easy to post links.

It's the maker of the claim who's duty it is to provide the proof. Sorry that I'm not impressed enough to take your word for it. Not saying you're wrong but it is proper to provide supporting evidence. Plus, was busy counting my 9mm brass. 3,580 cases in the last 4 months of 9mm alone. Not shaby considering if shooting outdoors I leave it lay for the land owner. There's atleast that much 5.56 waiting to be counted from roughly the same span of time and I run steel case the majority of the time, though it has been hard to find lately. Anyone want to purchase some brass?
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How about the claims of the .38 Super and .45? We only seem to be focusing on 1/3 of the story.

If it's common knowledge it should be easy to post links.

It's the maker of the claim who's duty it is to provide the proof. Sorry that I'm not impressed enough to take your word for it. Not saying you're wrong but it is proper to provide supporting evidence. Plus, was busy counting my 9mm brass. 3,580 cases in the last 4 months of 9mm alone. Not shaby considering if shooting outdoors I leave it lay for the land owner. There's atleast that much 5.56 waiting to be counted from roughly the same span of time and I run steel case the majority of the time, though it has been hard to find lately. Anyone want to purchase some brass?

Bueller, Bueller?

Bac related it the way I learned as a teenager, way back when we used books. I don't think they changed history since then.

If you lack the ability to look up the birthdate of the .45 acp and the .38 Super and compare them to the, oh, Colt/Browning 1911 (that's a clue by the way) then I am afreaid you fail the homework portion for the week.

If you didn't know it by know you aren't doing too well on the basic knowledge portion of the course either.
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Bueller, Bueller?

Bac related it the way I learned as a teenager, way back when we used books. I don't think they changed history since then.

If you lack the ability to look up the birthdate of the .45 acp and the .38 Super and compare them to the, oh, Colt/Browning 1911 (that's a clue by the way) then I am afreaid you fail the homework portion for the week.

If you didn't know it by know you aren't doing too well on the basic knowledge portion of the course either.
Not my job, not the point.
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How about the claims of the .38 Super and .45? We only seem to be focusing on 1/3 of the story.

If it's common knowledge it should be easy to post links.

It's the maker of the claim who's duty it is to provide the proof. Sorry that I'm not impressed enough to take your word for it.


Why, on Earth, would I care whether or not you take my word for it?

Believe what you want, it matters not to me. I don't post links for your benefit. I learned this info without people posting links for me, so find it yourself if you choose to. If you don't, that's ok too.

I'm not ruining another thread debating with a troll. Have fun.
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Not my job, not the point.
Doesn't sound like learning has ever been part of your job. You just sit in your high chair and get spoon fed.
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