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Old 03-08-2013, 18:29   #26
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I wouldn't dream of picking a Ruger auto over a Glock but that is just me. Sig, Cz, or an M&P Pro are the only ones that come to mind that I would consider over my G19.
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Old 03-08-2013, 18:58   #27
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The Ruger is a safety Nazi gun. Magazine safety, thumb safety, and a loaded chamber indicator that looks like a flag on a mailbox. It's unnecessary. I carry a G19 gen4 most of the time, 4300 rounds and not a hiccup. I'm sure the Ruger is a good gun functionally speaking, but I don't need a gun that insults my intelligence.

If you don't like Glocks get an M&P, equally as good IMO.
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Old 03-08-2013, 19:05   #28
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The Glock 19 is simply a far higher class of gun in every way.

Ruger is working its way up in the pistol market......good, but nowhere near Glock yet.

Glock is Perfection.......Ruger is ......... not.

Good, yes. Perfection......not even close.
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Old 03-08-2013, 19:23   #29
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If you want a safe gun get the Ruger! It has so many safeties you wont be able to shoot it
I was playing with an SR22 in the store the other day,I was pissed in 2 seconds with all the safeties

I handed it right back!
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Old 03-08-2013, 21:01   #30
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I haven't shot the SR9 but I can't hit **** with the G19 compared to my other pistols.
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Old 03-08-2013, 21:05   #31
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In regard to the mag safety. If during a confrontation one could just drop the mag to save their life as oppose to being shot by their own weapon. I know most highly trained civilian/leo's have no need for this option because they are experts in weapon retention and dissarming techniques. I being a high ranking black belt, teaches and practices these techniques weekly see's the benifit of dropping the mag but most people who don't like the mag release option are much better trained and no need of it.
Why not carry a water pistol as a primary and a real gun as a back-up?
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Old 03-08-2013, 21:07   #32
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glock doesn't have the stoopid mag disconnect, get the block
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Old 03-08-2013, 21:15   #33
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I thought it was just me...

To me the whole concept of such an action is amazing!
Actually, that technique was taught in several police academies when the 3rd gen Smith autos were popular.

Usually, it's a holster retention technique though.

I love the feel of the sr9!

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Old 03-08-2013, 21:39   #34
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The Glock 19 is simply a far higher class of gun in every way.

Ruger is working its way up in the pistol market......good, but nowhere near Glock yet.

Glock is Perfection.......Ruger is ......... not.

Good, yes. Perfection......not even close.
Yeah,right.
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Old 03-08-2013, 21:47   #35
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The G19 is a "classic." It was my very first handgun (back around 1992). I still have it (I've since added to my "collection"). I'll never sell the G19.
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Old 03-08-2013, 22:04   #36
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If during a confrontation one could just drop the mag to save their life as oppose to being shot by their own weapon. I know most highly trained civilian/leo's have no need for this option because they are experts in weapon retention and dissarming techniques. :
as a person that has been doing martial arts for ten years and night club/vip security for about 6 i can tell you right now that a mag dissconnect can be very usefull..my friend is a LEO and on the swat team,he was talking about his retention techniques...i took a wooden gun replica out of his hand many times just useing very basic jiu-jitsu moves..

and i was unarmed of my asp baton once by a man that im sure had no training but happend to be a juice head that i couldnt handle..


if im fighting a few guys with two or three wrapping me up and a fourth working on getting my weapon,knowing that dropping my mag will make my gun unoperative for a time gives me something less to worry about
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Old 03-09-2013, 18:25   #37
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Someone brought it up, difference between the G17 and G19 as far as a carry gun goes? At some point I will buy a rail attached light for the house but still, I'm going to carry this gun everyday as soon as I have a permit.
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Old 03-09-2013, 18:28   #38
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Sorry- SR9 will be here in 2 weeks... Glock- 2 months min.
Well worth the wait for the Glock (seems strange to hear about Glocks being out of stock - I've never seen a day when I couldn't go pick up any one I want at a local shop - maybe try somewhere else). I don't own Ruger products and don't plan to start. They may have gotten over the political issue since Bill Ruger died, but they haven't gotten past the quality issue.
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Old 03-09-2013, 19:58   #39
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They may have gotten over the political issue since Bill Ruger died, but they haven't gotten past the quality issue.


I've owned several Rugers over the last 35 years, never had any quality issues with any of them.
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Old 03-09-2013, 20:02   #40
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Have both a Glock 17 and the SR9 and did a shoot off two weeks ago. Sorry Glock , The Ruger shoots better,better trigger,less recoil, and a nicer grip angle which just fits better and has a more natural point on aim. In regard to the mag safety. If during a confrontation one could just drop the mag to save their life as oppose to being shot by their own weapon. I know most highly trained civilian/leo's have no need for this option because they are experts in weapon retention and dissarming techniques. I being a high ranking black belt, teaches and practices these techniques weekly see's the benifit of dropping the mag but most people who don't like the mag release option are much better trained and no need of it. Both are good guns I do like both and their are advantages to both,get what you want ,after all it's your gun.
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Old 03-09-2013, 20:04   #41
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I've owned several Rugers over the last 35 years, never had any quality issues with any of them.
Glock certainly can't throw stones at anyone for quality issues. I have a new G19 Gen3 that can attest to that.
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Old 03-09-2013, 20:27   #42
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Ive had mags not fully seat before, i wouldn't want something keeping my gun from shooting.

Ill never have one on a defensive gun. And ill never drop my mag out of my gun as a defensive technique.

"oh no hes going for my gun, ill just get rid of my ammo"
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Old 03-09-2013, 21:47   #43
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want just a range gun? SR9 all the way.
why? Its cheaper, its got a safety, chamber indicator, and reliable. These features are cool for the range and when teaching someone who knows nothing about guns having the safety on while showing how to load the gun in my opinion may reduce the risk of the newbie discharging a round because they were stupid n racked the slide with their finger on the trigger. I own one and have shot several thousands rounds through it with 0 misfires.

The trigger on the SR9 i hear people saying its "better". First of all its not. The SR9 trigger simply goes off sooner and still requires the same 5.5lb pull(I am not 100% sure but it sure feels the same). The glock trigger has a slightly longer pull but still breaks very crisp. I am a fan of this.

The SR9 is skinnier than the glock which is normally good for CC but my hand is to big for it and I always shoot slightly to the right (lefty). so keep that in mind because hand fitting is important.

Carry gun? Glock all the way.why? Extreme reliability and extreme simplicity. Some a hole wants your life and you are in panic mode are you really gonna remember to take the safety off? or even check if its on? No. You are gonna grab the gun and start blasting to stop his immediate threat. A glock will go bang everytime. i own a G19 for CC
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Old 03-09-2013, 21:56   #44
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Old 03-09-2013, 22:49   #45
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Ive had mags not fully seat before, i wouldn't want something keeping my gun from shooting.

Ill never have one on a defensive gun. And ill never drop my mag out of my gun as a defensive technique.

"oh no hes going for my gun, ill just get rid of my ammo"
Not that I advocating magazine disconnects, but the theory of using them hinges in the assumption you carry a spare mag. If you recover the pistol, reload and it's functional again.
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Old 03-10-2013, 04:39   #46
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in theory if i have time to remember to drop a mag i have time to remember to shoot the person
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Old 03-10-2013, 07:47   #47
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I had a SR9 and it was ok but I just didn't like it. Now I have a Gen3 19 and a Ruger SR9c. They are comparable. The first thing I did was disable the mag disconnect and I don't use the safety. I also have a Crimson Trace laser for it.
They both shoot well so I don't have a problem with either. www.theisholsters.com has very nice holsters.
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:28   #48
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in theory if i have time to remember to drop a mag i have time to remember to shoot the person
Depends on the situation. If you are being beat in the head, while the BG is tugging on your holstered gun, if you drop the mag the gun can no fire. Or if its being peeled away from your grip.

It boils down to retention training.

All things being equal, I'd rather not have the disconnect, but using the disconnect was at one time taught to LEOs. Massad Ayoob has written about mag disconnects saving officers lives numerous times.

It is possible, and it has happened.
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I've owned several Rugers over the last 35 years, never had any quality issues with any of them.
I can only assume you didn't put very many rounds through them or insist on accuracy. I've owned them, shot them, been trained as an instructor with them, etc., and I won't waste my money on one (again).
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I can only assume you didn't put very many rounds through them or insist on accuracy. I've owned them, shot them, been trained as an instructor with them, etc., and I won't waste my money on one (again).
What models? Can you elaborate?

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