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Old 03-07-2013, 01:44   #26
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I don't care what people do in private.
That's libertarian, not liberal.
(Still call myself conservative.)
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Old 03-07-2013, 01:55   #27
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1) Gay rights
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Old 03-07-2013, 02:03   #28
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Gay rights

Marijuana legalization (used to smoke it as a kid and early 20s havent smoked it in 6 years)

Separation of church and state

Because unlike some people here- I REALLY do believe in freedom. Thats all.
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Old 03-07-2013, 02:09   #29
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As you can see here most everyone can agree on many things. There are always going to be thing we disagree with each other on. We should fight like hell for our beliefs. However at the end of the day we should also focus on the tings that can bring us together.

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Old 03-07-2013, 02:15   #30
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What are liberal/leftist ideas that you are sympathetic to or at least can understand why a lot of people think it is a good idea? (and why?)

That doest mean you agree or support it (of course it could mean that) It simply means what I asked. What are some of the ideals of liberalism/ left leaning thought that you get?

For example. I am sympathetic to gay marriage.


Given the things said around here, I know plenty of you are sympathetic to price controls, unions, wage caps, socialized medicine...and a lot of other issues.

So, who is first?
Not a damn thing of it. In fact the more I learn about marxist, leftist control freak statists, the more offended I get. The idea that any of these concepts even appear relatively harmless at first is usually part of the deception, meant to take in the gullible and naive. Eventually its all a rain of ruin. Socialism is usually most attractive to those who don't think.
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Old 03-07-2013, 02:32   #31
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This thread illustrates why the republicans keep losing.
I typically vote republican, but the same theme played out here played out in the last election...which is why we have a tard in power.

I am in favor of legalizing dope. We tried the outlawing/war on drugs/prohibition thing before and the results were worse than the problem we were trying to solve.

Pro gay rights- though I don't buy this crap about it being a civil rights matter on the level with the Civil Rights movement of the 60s.. It's about weird folks wanting to be weird as long as they aren't infringing on others rights. Fine with me, but you're no Rosa Parks, so STFU. Paint your poodle pink, whatever. None of my business.

Environmental protection. I'm not on the Al Gorebal Warming bandwagon and don't care for SF or Seattle type plastic bag taxation, forcing people into mass transit circlejerk projects that end up driving business away and all the usual products of militant butthurt councilpeople running our major cities these days, but I do like seeing monies and resources being more focused on cleaner technologies and renewable resources at the federal level... IMO it will pay dividends to reduce or need for overseas oil and create more jobs/economies here. Screw the middle east and other little pricks like dearly departed Chavez.

How this qualifies as liberal is only coincidence since I actually believe it enhances our freedom, unlike what the bedwetters who call themselves 'liberal' really stand for.
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Old 03-07-2013, 02:57   #32
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...Why do you care, who someone else sleeps with?...

I don't. Whoever they sleep with of their own volition is their business. However just as well, I don't wish to be inundated via a radical Leftist Press and the "Hollywood homos" (James Carville's words) that it is a "normal" lifestyle when it's clearly not or how else did we get here?

What's next on the Liberal agenda? Pedophilia? We've raised a generation with no shame that has given us the current POS in the White House and his minions who are completely devoid of any moral codex except that with which to maintain power. Only apparatchiki such as this would be able to deny the correlation as well as their opiated followers.

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Old 03-07-2013, 03:08   #33
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Hell I "get" why liberal voters want gun control. They think it will save lives. However, those folks don't seem to understand why liberal politicians want gun control.

Actually, I like to think I get where they're coming from on most issues as I try to do with all people.
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Old 03-07-2013, 03:22   #34
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you either know what freedom is, or you don't.
I think this is mostly true, and unfortunately it doesn't seem like too many folks do know these days. However, I think the ideals of freedom can be taught and learned just as embracing the state has been.
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Old 03-07-2013, 03:35   #35
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I think this is mostly true, and unfortunately it doesn't seem like too many folks do know these days. However, I think the ideals of freedom can be taught and learned just as embracing the state has been.
At the end of the day it's all about control. People who want to control what others do in private aren't interested in freedom for everyone - they want to be free themselves while forcing everyone else to dance to their drum.

My advice would simply be to go learn another instrument and leave everyone else the hell alone.

If people don't want to hear about it, then don't watch the news. Don't pay attention to hollywood. As soon as you choose to become involved in what others are doing, you lose control over what you are exposed to. Welcome to freedom for others, too.
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Old 03-07-2013, 04:27   #36
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What are liberal/leftist ideas that you are sympathetic to or at least can understand why a lot of people think it is a good idea? (and why?)
I get the idea of taking from the rich, I mean Dillinger robbed banks "Cause that's where the money is". I understand that if I was on the "bottom" half, with no prospects, I would agree that taking money from the rich was a good idea. I understand that the realization that I was ultimately wreaking it for everybody would not be my first concern. If my "bird courses" in sociology and political science rendered me incapable of doing anything but a meaningless government job, I would be in favour of big government. I know where lieberals are coming from, I'm just glad I'm not one. I understand that killing babies in the womb can be in many instances a logical decision for a lot of people. I just can't get the lieberal lies about it, I guess lieberals are weak, that's why we have to carry them, and protect them. But what I don't get is how lieberals think we will be able to protect them, and feed them, without guns. Maybe the multi-billionaire Hugo Chavez had the answer.
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Old 03-07-2013, 04:36   #37
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gay rights. they're people just like the rest of us. quit using your old book and morals to make them feel like 2nd class citizens.

abortion. seriously, unless you are personally willing to adopt that unwanted baby then shut your pie hole and get your nose out of everybody elses womb.

the separation of church and state. does this really need to be explained?
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Old 03-07-2013, 04:48   #38
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Gay rights- No one should be made a second class citizen because two consenting adults love each other.

End war on drugs- it doesn't work and never will it has created a huge overreaching government, that constantly violates the 4th amendment in its pursuit of drug of prohibition.

Abortion- Certain abortions as I don't want the government making medical decision and if all these unwanted children are brought into this world who will pay for it all.

Strict separation of church and state

Reducing the ever growing war on terror


I don't understand people who claim the lefts socialist ideas are to control and restrict the freedoms of this country while telling gays they can't be happy, telling people they can't consume plant etc..
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:00   #39
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1. Gay rights - if they want to choose their eternity, let 'em. Just don't push it on me.

2. Drilling for oil on federally protected wildlife preserves - I'm all for oil independence, but we have plenty of domestic drilling opportunities we can exploit without setting foot on protected lands. That would be a dangerous precedent to set, IMHO.

3. There is no #3.
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:16   #40
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So many people don't understand how the progressive game works, we started with gay unions, which I had no problem with, then gay marriage, gays in the military, now we have people wanting transgender Marines. I just read about a transgender first grader whose parents were upset that he couldn't go to the bathroom with the girls.

Are you with me so far? Remember about slippery slopes....

After we have gay marriage how about polygamy? NAMBLA wants to legitimatize man-boy love, how long until marriage?
Beastiallity?

Remember about slippery slopes.
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:24   #41
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So many people don't understand how the progressive game works, we started with gay unions, which I had no problem with, then gay marriage, gays in the military, now we have people wanting transgender Marines. I just read about a transgender first grader whose parents were upset that he couldn't go to the bathroom with the girls.

Are you with me so far? Remember about slippery slopes....

After we have gay marriage how about polygamy? NAMBLA wants to legitimatize man-boy love, how long until marriage?
Beastiallity?

Remember about slippery slopes.
Children under 16-18 can't consent neither can a horse.. Two people even 3, 4,5 etc who can legally consent to a loving relationship should have every right a straight couple has. I don't care what consenting people do at home.

Your argument follows the same emotional screaming the left uses to claim guns are the start next we will want tanks and nukes...
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Beastiallity?
What about the "near species" stuff with gorillas and chimpanzees, I suppose you're against that too!
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not the left or right. both claim to stand for something until they are forced to play by the same rules....then it's different.
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:39   #44
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This thread illustrates why the republicans keep losing.
I typically vote republican, but the same theme played out here played out in the last election...which is why we have a tard in power.

I am in favor of legalizing dope. We tried the outlawing/war on drugs/prohibition thing before and the results were worse than the problem we were trying to solve.

Pro gay rights- though I don't buy this crap about it being a civil rights matter on the level with the Civil Rights movement of the 60s.. It's about weird folks wanting to be weird as long as they aren't infringing on others rights. Fine with me, but you're no Rosa Parks, so STFU. Paint your poodle pink, whatever. None of my business.

Environmental protection. I'm not on the Al Gorebal Warming bandwagon and don't care for SF or Seattle type plastic bag taxation, forcing people into mass transit circlejerk projects that end up driving business away and all the usual products of militant butthurt councilpeople running our major cities these days, but I do like seeing monies and resources being more focused on cleaner technologies and renewable resources at the federal level... IMO it will pay dividends to reduce or need for overseas oil and create more jobs/economies here. Screw the middle east and other little pricks like dearly departed Chavez.

How this qualifies as liberal is only coincidence since I actually believe it enhances our freedom, unlike what the bedwetters who call themselves 'liberal' really stand for.
Exactly what I was thinking. Until the GOP adapts to modern social stances, it's doomed. I don't think that they will, because they would have to embrace the Libertarian platform. The establishment will never allow that to happen. The religious right and country club republicans control the party.
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:46   #45
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I'm encouraged by most of the posters here, not so much by those who want the gov't running our private lives to their standards. Berto called it--if the Repubs don't lose the part of the party with the medieval mindset, they're screwed.
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:49   #46
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WIC and school lunches. Children should be able to have adequate nutrition regardless of decision making of the parent.
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:50   #47
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Children under 16-18 can't consent neither can a horse.. Two people even 3, 4,5 etc who can legally consent to a loving relationship should have every right a straight couple has. I don't care what consenting people do at home.

Your argument follows the same emotional screaming the left uses to claim guns are the start next we will want tanks and nukes...
Funny you don't address transgender Marines, don't tell me you're against transgender Marines, RACIST!

Are you in favor of some boy being sent to the bathroom with your six year old daughter because his freaking progressive parents have decided that he's transgender?

You haven't followed any of the arguments coming from the left about children having consensual sex with an adult, are you anti-pedophile? Like I said, slippery slope.
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Sometimes when you want to hear the chickens cluck, it's easiest if you just walk up to the coop and give it a good hard kick.

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gay rights. they're people just like the rest of us. quit using your old book and morals to make them feel like 2nd class citizens.

the separation of church and state. does this really need to be explained?

Pretty much this.
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