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03-05-2013, 16:31
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Originally Posted by MBUZICHOMA
Right handed left eye dominant. I always just close or squint my left eye.
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fwiw I recommend trying to squint/close your right eye and use your dominant eye to aim. It just requires you turn your head a little which is almost unnoticable to anyone but yourself.
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03-06-2013, 00:19
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I kick myself for lack of awareness on this whole cross eye dominance that I've been oblivious to basically my whole life... My most recent tour in the 'Stan was particularly a rough one. On one patrol mission, got into contact, as we always do, bad guys just taking a couple of pop shots & running off, as they always do. Well, was in a position to almost pick one of them off, but couldn't get the sight picture in time. Delay that I now attribute at least a good portion to not realizing my true dominant aiming (always had a frustrating time getting an expedient sight alignment) and thereby handicapping my full capabilities. Maybe a half second faster in that situation on the mission could have made all the difference. Well, at least I know now.
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03-06-2013, 10:25
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I still can't believe that the US Army supported that movie.  
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Originally Posted by KalashniKEV
No tape, no panties, no bungling around... unless you're Nicholas Cage. You aim long guns from your dominant eye.

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03-16-2013, 00:48
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Had some range time, shooting with my new found dominant eye... shot groups are tight, but shooting to the left dramatically. Maybe it was trigger slap, but don't think so, cause I can tell I'm not jerking the trigger. Plus, this should have been the symptom when I was shooting with my non dominant right with my strong side right hand.
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03-16-2013, 07:04
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Originally Posted by jcal0820
Had some range time, shooting with my new found dominant eye... shot groups are tight, but shooting to the left dramatically. Maybe it was trigger slap, but don't think so, cause I can tell I'm not jerking the trigger. Plus, this should have been the symptom when I was shooting with my non dominant right with my strong side right hand.
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Is it a recent switch to a Glock? Left is common for righties.
Otherwise, if it is just the eye, do a side by side comparison. Same hand, different eyes and see what happens.
I don't have eye dominance issues, but I can switch eyes with no difference in point of aim. Switching hands, though, will change the direction that bad shots drift
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03-16-2013, 10:39
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Tried it with both to see if it was trigger pull related... with non dominant eye, shot group was much more centered (but much less tight grouping) but with dominant eye, was shooting to the left (but tighter shot group). Should have tested it with other hand but ran out of ammo!
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03-16-2013, 11:20
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When I was a much younger man (cross eyed dominant), I was in the Army and told not to consider eye dominance and just shoot to your handedness (lefty for me).
I didn't know anything at that time about eye dominance so it was not a issue for me. Ignorance.
I shot lefty and used my left eye (non-dominant) with no issues as was able to qualify as expert. Now I still shoot a rifle lefty with my left eye and a pistol lefty using my right eye.
Sometimes not knowing the issue can be to your advantage and going with what feels best.
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03-16-2013, 11:30
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Right Handed, Left Eye dominant here. It's not really a big deal with pistols or long guns, but when it comes to shooting an AR-15 left handed, it really sucks, breathing exhaust from the ejection port is only tolerable for so long...
Any solutions?
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03-16-2013, 13:39
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Left Handed Right Eyed Dominant here.
I shoot everything right handed. Always have.
I can run either hand, but right has become default. It is rather nice not having a weak side though.
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03-16-2013, 16:24
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I shot with my left hand and left eye for the first time recently, felt really weird at first but I got better by the end. Was pretty fun actually. I'm right eye dominant and shooting lefty with the right eye seemed perfectly doable. Thanks for all the responses by the way.
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03-16-2013, 17:30
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Originally Posted by vafish
My son is right handed, left eye dominant. He shoots rifles left handed and handguns right handed. For the handguns it is simple to move the gun over in front of the dominant eye.
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I'm a little late to this party, but Hi Dad.
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03-16-2013, 20:54
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Originally Posted by BenjiEDF
I'm right eye dominant and shooting lefty with the right eye seemed perfectly doable. Thanks for all the responses by the way.
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You must be shooting pistol or your neck would be either broken or twisted out of shape doing that with a rifle.
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03-16-2013, 22:58
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Originally Posted by Z1232K
Right Handed, Left Eye dominant here. It's not really a big deal with pistols or long guns...
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I didn't know I was crossed until a few years ago at about age 69. The instructor insisted I would need to start shooting with the left hand. Can you imagine changing after about 60 years of doing it wrong?
After thinking about the 'expert's' advice, I decided it really makes very little difference. As long as the sights are lined up, the bullet knows where to go.
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03-17-2013, 12:51
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FTR, the issue we're discussing is "Cross Dominance," not Cross Eye Dominance... unless you're this guy:
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Originally Posted by jcal0820
Had some range time, shooting with my new found dominant eye... shot groups are tight, but shooting to the left dramatically.
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That's your new zero. You're witnessing the sight picture from a slightly different angle with each shoulder. If you were previously zeroed to compensate for the wrong eye, your shift will be greater than a person who is zeroed for their correct eye, and only switches shoulders/eyes.
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Originally Posted by jcal0820
with non dominant eye, shot group was much more centered (but much less tight grouping) but with dominant eye, was shooting to the left (but tighter shot group).
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Respectfully... duh!
I hope I never have to go to the life-or-death world penmanship competition with the pen in my non dominant hand.
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Originally Posted by flw
I was in the Army and told not to consider eye dominance and just shoot to your handedness (lefty for me).
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That's completely insane.
What year did you go to Basic and where?
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Originally Posted by flw
Sometimes not knowing the issue can be to your advantage and going with what feels best.
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Yeah that's a great reason to never learn the proper way to do anything.
An amateur can throw a discus just as far (or farther) without using any technique or spins or lift, but if you want to learn something about what you're doing, you have to learn it the right way.
Once you receive instruction and learn the right way, you start gaining by leaps and bounds over the amateurs...
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Originally Posted by PhotoFeller
The instructor insisted I would need to start shooting with the left hand.
After thinking about the 'expert's' advice, I decided it really makes very little difference.
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03-17-2013, 13:58
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I am right handed and left eye dominant, I shoot pistol either with both eys open or with my bad eye closed, I still shoot rifle right handed and have adjusted my sight picture accordingly and it works fine for me.
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03-17-2013, 14:02
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Not sure if this has been mentioned or even relevant, but Hickock45 is right-handed but left-eye dominant. You may want to watch some of his vids. His shooting posture is... well... strained, to me...but you cannot argue with his results.
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03-17-2013, 15:18
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KEV-
You found it amusing that I refused to switch to left-hand shooting because a SD instructor insisted my eye dominance made the change necessary.
I find your amusement...amusing. If I had been 35 years old instead of 35+35, it might have been compelling advice. If I had been preparing for competition, I might have made the switch. Since neither was the case, I'm still shooting handguns right handed/left eye.
Please explain how, and to what extent, cross-dominance affects handgun accuracy, especially for SD shooting.
By the way, I have always shot long guns right hand/right eye.
Thanks.
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03-17-2013, 15:22
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No big deal; I'm right handed and used to shoot right eye dominant until I had the LASIK procedure in which my left eye is now tweaked a bit for close up while my right eye is distance. I now shoot left eye dominant with no problems.
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03-17-2013, 16:28
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I am left handed and right eye dominant and shoot everything(pistol, rifle, and a bow) right handed. I can shoot a pistol left or right, but am just a little better from the right, probably because I've done it longer from that side.
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03-17-2013, 18:34
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Originally Posted by PhotoFeller
KEV-
You found it amusing that I refused to switch to left-hand shooting because a SD instructor insisted my eye dominance made the change necessary.
I find your amusement...amusing. If I had been 35 years old instead of 35+35, it might have been compelling advice. If I had been preparing for competition, I might have made the switch. Since neither was the case, I'm still shooting handguns right handed/left eye.
Please explain how, and to what extent, cross-dominance affects handgun accuracy, especially for SD shooting.
By the way, I have always shot long guns right hand/right eye.
Thanks.
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Not directed to me, but you raise some good points.
You had good reason to tell the instructor to take a jump in the lake.
I'm sure there is a continuance of eye dominance from none to mild to moderate to severe. I'm in the none category.
But if someone is in the severe category and having trouble learning to shoot, the instructor could check for it, and then suggest the shooter use the dominant eye and see if that helps.
But if there is no problem in the shooting ability, then there is no reason to address the eye dominance issue.
That's my opinion
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03-17-2013, 19:01
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I'm still trying to figure out how cross dominance makes a material difference with handgun accuracy.
I can understand that the 'condition' would make shooting a rifle awkward and, maybe, inefficient to the extent of affecting accuracy. With a handgun, adjusting hand position to compensate is easy, and sight alignment provides accurate shot placement.
What am I missing?
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03-17-2013, 19:24
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Originally Posted by PhotoFeller
I'm still trying to figure out how cross dominance makes a material difference with handgun accuracy.
I can understand that the 'condition' would make shooting a rifle awkward and, maybe, inefficient to the extent of affecting accuracy. With a handgun, adjusting hand position to compensate is easy, and sight alignment provides accurate shot placement.
What am I missing?
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In my opinion, you aren't missing anything. Just move the handgun over to the dominant eye. But some people haven't learned, realized, or been taught that
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03-17-2013, 19:32
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Originally Posted by ithaca_deerslayer
In my opinion, you aren't missing anything. Just move the handgun over to the dominant eye. But some people haven't learned, realized, or been taught that
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Gracias.
I may be unusual because I learned from the beginning to shoot long guns right hand/right eye. With handguns, the dominant left eye prevailed because it was easy to adjust, I guess.
Now, why would a SD instructor push me to make the dramatic change to carry, draw and shoot left handed? Principle? Just the awkwardness of learning to handle a pistol with the weak hand seems a bit dangerous to me.
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03-17-2013, 20:41
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Originally Posted by PhotoFeller
Gracias.
I may be unusual because I learned from the beginning to shoot long guns right hand/right eye. With handguns, the dominant left eye prevailed because it was easy to adjust, I guess.
Now, why would a SD instructor push me to make the dramatic change to carry, draw and shoot left handed? Principle? Just the awkwardness of learning to handle a pistol with the weak hand seems a bit dangerous to me.
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I don't see the gain. But maybe I'm not at a high enough level. Maybe you are an Olympic bronze medal shooter and the instructor believes the only way you can make gold is to switch hands  Or maybe as part of your Navy Seal training the instructor believes it is important that you adapt and overcome.
But other than that, I can't see anything wrong with just moving the gun over 2" to the dominant eye. You do that enough and it is the natural position for your handgun. No adjusting involved, you just go to that spot.
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03-17-2013, 22:14
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Originally Posted by ithaca_deerslayer
I don't see the gain. But maybe I'm not at a high enough level. Maybe you are an Olympic bronze medal shooter and the instructor believes the only way you can make gold is to switch hands  Or maybe as part of your Navy Seal training the instructor believes it is important that you adapt and overcome.
But other than that, I can't see anything wrong with just moving the gun over 2" to the dominant eye. You do that enough and it is the natural position for your handgun. No adjusting involved, you just go to that spot.
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That's the way I see it, too. Thanks.
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