The Myth of the Reliable Law-Abiding Gun Owner

***HerrGlock*** · 03-02-2013, 17:41

http://www.opednews.com/articles/The...130302-57.html

c01 · 03-02-2013, 17:43

Too bad. Life is dangerous and so is freedom.

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G35DriverG19Carrier · 03-02-2013, 17:45

That is possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read. Thanks for the post though. I appreciate you finding and sharing these articles. Both left, right, and In between.

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***itisbruno*** · 03-02-2013, 17:47

Herr, why do you hate America

skeeter7 · 03-02-2013, 17:50

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Originally Posted by G35DriverG19Carrier

That is possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read.

Yea, that pretty much sums it up.

jbotstein1 · 03-02-2013, 17:56

That's right...

Iceman...

I am Dangerous...

dougader · 03-02-2013, 18:06

Wow, 80 million U.S. ticking time bombs. It's a wonder any of us is still alive. I've been shooting since about 1965. Got my 1st carry permit in 1989. I wonder if it takes 60 or 70 years for this defect to kick in???

Caver 60 · 03-02-2013, 18:16

"Everyone who possesses firearms is an inherent threat to themselves, their families, and the general community." So says the article.

Guess we had better take firearms away from LEO's and the military. That way we will all be safer.

What has that guy been smoking?

Willard · 03-02-2013, 18:24

Wow. Projection, you think? These weaselly little liberals always talk about people erupting into violence, unable to restrain themselves... Because they (the liberals) are unable to exercise any impulse control, they assume that no one can!

Sidenote - I am SICK of liberal writers using the term "weapon of mass destruction" when referring to firearms!!!!!!! A WMD is nuclear, biological, or chemical. Other weapons are NOT WMDs! Ok, I know that you guys know that...

GLOCK19FTW · 03-02-2013, 18:29

I'm sure I speak for others when I say that I'm only a "danger" to thugs, criminals, or anybody else with ill intentions.

I've owned for a VERY long time - as long as I've been legally allowed to - and none of my weapons have EVER hurt anybody.

Shinytop · 03-02-2013, 18:36

The irony is that to make sure gun owners are more dangerous, find ways to restrict how much they can practice.

Bruce M · 03-02-2013, 18:39

The author is concentrating on a situation he thinks could and does, but rarely; he is ignoring the instances in which someone uses a gun to succesfully, often without firing a shot, to protect themselves or someone else which happens far more often than his scenario.

fwm · 03-02-2013, 18:53

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Originally Posted by Willard

Wow. Projection, you think? These weaselly little liberals always talk about people erupting into violence, unable to restrain themselves... Because they (the liberals) are unable to exercise any impulse control, they assume that no one can!

My used to be conservative brother is absolutely against concealed carry.

Finally admitted to me he is against it because he would probably shoot someone within 3 days on the road if he carried daily.
He doesn't seem to understand the flaw is his, not everybody else s'

kenpoprofessor · 03-02-2013, 18:55

His argument is strangely akin to: As a man, I have a peni s, so if I get out of control and lose it, I may rape women or kids.

The guy went full on tard, you never go full on tard.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

Lone Wolf8634 · 03-02-2013, 19:27

What he's really saying is:

"I can't be trusted with anything remotely dangerous so it follows that no one else can either. I have no self control and if my mommy didn't lock up the knife drawer when I was a child I would have stabbed my entire family in their sleep when they grounded me that one time. Since I'm such a worthless human being, I know no one else could possibly do any better than I, so the entire country needs a nanny so I can feel safe from all of you.....and myself."

There is some truth to the adage: The pen is mightier than the sword. Idiots like this actually influence other idiots.

stolenphot0 · 03-02-2013, 20:49

I'm not a time bomb, I'm a HURRICANE.

"Here I am, rock you like a hurricane!"

**janice6** · 03-02-2013, 21:04

The problem with liberals that make judgments of others, is that the only example they have to go by are themselves. So they assume that others are as shallow and perverted and uncaring as they are.

See the problem?

Just_plinking · 03-02-2013, 21:48

Read a few sentences, and had to give up. Some arguments are so faulty, you can't honestly speak to them. Your points of contention are too numerous, obvious, and trite.

Jakestir · 03-02-2013, 21:56

Brain.......hurt.....uhhhh.......can't even.......:sly: ...... guhhhhhhh :banghead:

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tsmo1066 · 03-02-2013, 21:56

Hoplophobia (n.): The irrational fear of weapons, correctly described by
Freud as "a sign of emotional and sexual immaturity". Hoplophobia, like
homophobia, is a displacement symptom; hoplophobes fear their own
"forbidden" feelings and urges to commit violence. This would be
harmless, except that they project these feelings onto others. The
sequelae of this neurosis include irrational and dangerous behaviors
such as passing "gun-control" laws and trashing the Constitution.
-- Eric S. Raymond

http://www.anvari.org/fortune/Freedo...mmaturity.html

Harper · 03-02-2013, 22:02

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Originally Posted by tsmo1066

Hoplophobia (n.): The irrational fear of weapons, correctly described by
Freud as "a sign of emotional and sexual immaturity". Hoplophobia, like
homophobia, is a displacement symptom; hoplophobes fear their own
"forbidden" feelings and urges to commit violence. This would be
harmless, except that they project these feelings onto others. The
sequelae of this neurosis include irrational and dangerous behaviors
such as passing "gun-control" laws and trashing the Constitution.
-- Eric S. Raymond

http://www.anvari.org/fortune/Freedo...mmaturity.html

That sounds made up. The word was supposedly coined in 1962. Any evidence Freud said anything similar?

Mushinto · 03-02-2013, 22:05

I tried to make this comment on the article and saw that I had to share a little too much information about myself to do it.

So, since I did all this work, I'll just share it here.

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Gregory Paul is a fear-mongering moron who has no clue about the issue. It is obvious that everything he knows about guns and gun owners was learned from other media quacks. He demonstrates a pathological hatred of the human race and does not trust his fellow man to do the right thing, undoubtedly, because he does not trust himself. The only excuse for someone who is obviously quite literate to have written such a pathetic piece is that he is intentionally trying to deceive the public into believing that what he has written is actually true. I think this may be likely.

To call his writing scholarly is an affront to any legitimate scholar.

code "The Myth of the Reliable Law-Abiding Gun Owner"

oldman11 · 03-02-2013, 22:19

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Originally Posted by janice6

The problem with liberals that make judgments of others, is that the only example they have to go by are themselves. So they assume that others are as shallow and perverted and uncaring as they are.

See the problem?

tsmo1066 · 03-02-2013, 22:19

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Originally Posted by Harper

That sounds made up. The word was supposedly coined in 1962. Any evidence Freud said anything similar?

The quote regarding an irrational fear of weapons being indicative of sexual and emotional immaturity is attributed to Freud's 10th Lecture in "A General Introduction to Psychoanalysis" delivered in 1916.

As for the term "Hoplophobia" itself, I'm not sure where or by who that was coined.

Harper · 03-02-2013, 22:26

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Originally Posted by tsmo1066

The quote regarding an irrational fear of weapons being indicative of sexual and emotional immaturity is attributed to Freud's 10th Lecture in "A General Introduction to Psychoanalysis" delivered in 1916.

As for the term "Hoplophobia" itself, I'm not sure where or by who that was coined.

I found this.

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A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.
This is not a statement that appears in any translation of any of Freud's works. It is a paraphrase of a statement from the essay "Guns, Murders, and the Constitution" (February 1990) by Don B. Kates, Jr. where Kates summarizes his views of passages in Dreams in Folklore (1958) by Freud and David E. Oppenheim, while disputing statements by Emmanuel Tanay in "Neurotic Attachment to Guns" in a 1976 edition of The Fifty Minute Hour: A Collection of True Psychoanalytic Tales (1955) by Robert Mitchell Lindner:
Dr. Tanay is perhaps unaware of — in any event, he does not cite — other passages more relevant to his argument. In these other passages Freud associates retarded sexual and emotional development not with gun ownership, but with fear and loathing of weapons. The probative importance that ought to be attached to the views of Freud is, of course, a matter of opinion. The point here is only that those views provide no support for the ***** theory of gun ownership.
Due to misreading of this essay and its citations, this paraphrase of an opinion about Freud's ideas has been wrongly attributed to Freud himself, and specifically to his 10th Lecture "Symbolism in Dreams" in General Introduction to Psychoanalysis on some internet forum pages: alt.quotations, uk.politics.guns, talk.politics.guns, can.talk.guns , etc.
One of the statements by Freud which Kates summarized from in Dreams in Folklore (1958), p. 33, reads: "The representation of the ***** as a weapon, cutting knife, dagger etc., is familiar to us from the anxiety dreams of abstinent women in particular and also lies at the root of numerous phobias in neurotic people."

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sigmund_Freud