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Old 02-26-2013, 20:48   #1
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.454 Casull from a 16" barrel

Hi folks,

Just thought you'd want to know: I got an email back from Tim Sundles from Buffalo Bore regarding velocities for the .454 Casull from a 16" lever-action Carbine barrel.

I asked him about the 250gr. Barnes Bullet that they load:

Approximately 2,050 FPS! Hell yes! I think this will definitely be the round I choose for when I go hunting Pig. I imagine it would generate close to 1,900 FPE, if not close to 2,000 FPE; but that might be pushing it just a bit.

Definitely close to .45-70 Ballistics in a small, very light, and very handy carbine!

The Carbine I'm referring to is a Trapper-style from LSI, the Puma line, under the M92. Mine was a gift from a good friend. It has fiber-optic sights, a nice recoil pad, and a stainless-steel round barrel. Unfortunately, mine is currently out of commission until I find a reputable gunsmith to put the front sight back on; it came off during a range session while firing 260gr. MagTech loads.

Unfortunately, the research I've done on the quality of this carbine has been mixed. Back when they were being produced, quality control was either a hit or a miss. Mine however, with the exception of the above problem, has been awesome. I've never fired anything heavier in it than 300gr. loads, so I'm not sure if the heavier Casull-loads in 335+grains in weight would chamber well in this carbine (certainly, anything in .45 Colt, with this heavy-weight bullet, would chamber just fine). If they do, they'd be well-needed for anything you can take in North America; probably upwards of Bison as well!

This carbine is no longer sold through LSI in this caliber. However, you can find them on the used market. LSI currently lists the .44 Magnum in the Puma M92 series as the most powerful handgun round available in that carbine/rifle.

Hope this was helpful to anyone considering one of these great and very handy little shooters. It certainly gives a nice boom and fireball!
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Old 02-26-2013, 21:48   #2
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Sounds like a dandy gun. The .454 casull is a sweet round!!!
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Old 02-26-2013, 21:51   #3
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Sounds like a dandy gun. The .454 casull is a sweet round!!!
'tis indeed! And yes, it is dandy! I could carry it all day without a problem: getting tired. It's definitely suited for long-range hiking hunts.
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Old 02-27-2013, 17:15   #4
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Old 02-28-2013, 21:01   #5
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Awesome - 2000 FPS!
Imagine what the 240gr. loads would clock out at!! Probably close to 2,100 fps from such makers as Buffalo Bore, Cor-Bon, DoubleTap, or perhaps even Underwood (I definitely need to search Underwood's sight for some Casull loads to try in this carbine!).

I hear Underwood's .357's clock more than 1,600 fps out of a 4" barrel (125gr. loads). I have a box of 50 from Underwood in .357 that I'm dying to shoot, but I just haven't had the time lately. And that's for another thread anyways.

I love the .454 Casull! Definitely underrated, IMO.
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Old 02-28-2013, 21:14   #6
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Winchester makes some nice full power loads in .454. This 260 grain bullet is rated at 1800 FPS from a 7.5" barrel.

http://www.winchester.com/Products/h.../S454PTHP.aspx
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Old 02-28-2013, 21:22   #7
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Jade, do you worry about the pistol bullet at 2100fps?

I have 460 rowland that will blow some 45acp bullets up on contact.
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Old 02-28-2013, 22:01   #8
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Double Tap has a 300gr load rated at 1814fps out of a 7.5" barrel and this a load that benefits from a few more inches of barrel.

That 300gr DT load should easily hit 2050fps with 16" of barrel. Your shoulder will think it does!
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I can get a 395gr hardcast at 1400+ from the 7.5" SRH, I'd like to know what such a load would do from a 16" bbl!
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It's gonna shine with the heavier bullets, and would be a picture perfect short range round for large and tough game..
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I have a 18'' 454 and I have shot a couple deer and a coyote with it... IF hunting game, you most definitely want bullets designed for the caliber... bullets for the 45 ACP or COLT WILL be a problem penetrating adequately at the top velocities!!!

The coyote I shot was hit at about 45 yards, broadside with a med heavy load of H110 and a 200g Hornady FTX bullet. (approx 2100fps) The entrance was bigger then a golf ball and the exit was a soft ball!!! AND the bullet turned in the body and exited the bottom of the brisket between the front legs. This was first (and last) game animal I shot with that bullet!

The Speer 300 GD for the Cassull as well as 240 & 300 XTP magnum bullets work well. Of coarse the Freedom Arms bullets are good choices as well.


Its a power house for sure!

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Jade, do you worry about the pistol bullet at 2100fps?

I have 460 rowland that will blow some 45acp bullets up on contact.
I think the OP may be referring to the all copper barnes bullet. If so I would think it could handle the velocity. Barnes' copper bullet seem to be one of the toughest on the market
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I have a 18'' 454 and I have shot a couple deer and a coyote with it... IF hunting game, you most definitely want bullets designed for the caliber... bullets for the 45 ACP or COLT WILL be a problem penetrating adequately at the top velocities!!!

The coyote I shot was hit at about 45 yards, broadside with a med heavy load of H110 and a 200g Hornady FTX bullet. (approx 2100fps) The entrance was bigger then a golf ball and the exit was a soft ball!!! AND the bullet turned in the body and exited the bottom of the brisket between the front legs. This was first (and last) game animal I shot with that bullet!

The Speer 300 GD for the Cassull as well as 240 & 300 XTP magnum bullets work well. Of coarse the Freedom Arms bullets are good choices as well.


Its a power house for sure!

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Old 03-01-2013, 19:04   #14
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I think the OP may be referring to the all copper barnes bullet. If so I would think it could handle the velocity. Barnes' copper bullet seem to be one of the toughest on the market
I was, thank you for the confirmation there.

Yeah...against thin-skinned game, I wouldn't use anything less than 240-grains in weight (not sure if there's a lighter bullet out there in this caliber anyways). And, for that weight bullet, ranges just outside of 100 yards would be preferred, as it would shoot flat, with plenty of down-range power.

SDGlock23: I would LOVE to try a 395gr. load! Providing, of course, that it would seat deep enough in the case to chamber in the carbine. I imagine, at ranges beyond 50 yards, it would drop like a rock! I read, many years ago, that from this carbine, a 300gr. load will drop 6 inches (IIRC) at 100 yards. The 260gr. loads are pretty flat shooting out to about 80 yards, probably dead-on at 100.

Either way, it looks like my Pig Medicine will be something inside of 75 yards, with a 250-260gr. load. I figure, at about 50 yards, it's probably still clocking 1,900+ fps, with close to 1,700 FPE; that will knock any pig on it's ass no problem!

I don't reload, so I'll have to keep an eye on the performances of the various factory loads out there.

Thanks for the replies, folks!

EDIT: I forgot to mention, that it does chamber .45 Colt just fine, which is good for my father, who has a bad shoulder. Therefore, any of the super-heavy .45 Colts will chamber just fine in this carbine, and (I imagine) will clock out well over 1,100 FPS. If I were going up against thick-bristled-beasts, a 360+grain load in .45 Colt +P would probably work at 50-ish yards.
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The .454 Casull is a .45 LC on a LOT of steroids!
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The .454 Casull is a .45 LC on a LOT of steroids!
And something like 2 or 3 times the power of a .44 Mag!
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These will hold up.

http://www.pennbullets.com/45/454340.html

Pretty much penetrate from aft to appetite.
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And something like 2 or 3 times the power of a .44 Mag!
Wow, a very heavy load!
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These will hold up.

http://www.pennbullets.com/45/454340.html

Pretty much penetrate from aft to appetite.
These would be awesome...if I reloaded. Unfortunately, I don't.

I'm not sure if such a heavy bullet would chamber in this carbine. Providing they're seated deep enough in the case, I suppose it's possible.
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It is time to start reloading.

The Lee Loader Classic is dirt cheap and easy to run.

http://leeprecision.com/lee-loader-45-colt.html


It doesn't take too long to recoup your initial investment when re-using your brass saves you about 93 cents each piece and the components run about 40 cents.

Cowboy loads casting your own lead are about a dime, the big stuff is about a half dollar. It adds up.
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