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Old 03-02-2013, 00:55   #61
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Even more impressive is Underwood's 9x25 loads - 125 grain at 1700 fps. Unfortunately these won't fit in your SIGs.
They fit my G20! LOL!!
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Old 03-03-2013, 14:18   #62
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The Glock pistol was designed to handle the 9mm NATO round from day one. The pressure spec for the 9mm NATO goes as high as 42,00 p.s.i. When shooting that kind of 9mm loading, what advantage does the .357 SIG really offer if any?
It offers a lot more speed, and a bit more feeding reliability.
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Old 03-03-2013, 21:08   #63
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When people see what the .357sig can do first hand it changes them. I gave a CWP class to 11 people Sat. & used my G32 for range demo. Everyone had to know more about this awesome round. It does what it was designed to do & always do it better than the 9mm in all ways! If people can't handle that don't grip!
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Old 03-04-2013, 07:31   #64
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When people see what the .357sig can do first hand it changes them. I gave a CWP class to 11 people Sat. & used my G32 for range demo. Everyone had to know more about this awesome round. It does what it was designed to do & always do it better than the 9mm in all ways! If people can't handle that don't grip!
Well, I can't see changing from my G17 for three less rounds in my magazine and a hundred feet per second more MV. I'll stick with my 9mm 115gr JHP +p+ @ 1400 FPS.
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So I have been carrying a juvenile caliber since 1989? My G17 has been ready and able.
Ok, ok, young adult.
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Old 03-04-2013, 10:01   #67
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It never ceases to amaze me how often people try to demonize the .357 Sig. I have never seen a more polarizing round. It's either "the .357 Sig doesn't do anything the 9mm can do" or "the .357 Sig shot through 3 ft of cement and took out a bad guy a mile away!" People seem to be either crazy about this round or they are on a mission to wipe it from the face of the earth.

What is it about this round that causes people to want to "pick" on it for? It is by far my favorite round - I carry it on duty, and own more handguns in this caliber than any other. It just blows me away how people continually attack it as the answer to a question no one asked. You never see threads on why someone would choose a .40 S&W over a .45 ACP, or that 9mm +P ammunition is "too expensive". But when the discussion starts mentioning .357 Sig, people come out of the woodwork to bad mouth it. Very, very strange...


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Old 03-04-2013, 11:27   #68
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Pressure is not the same as velocity. The Sig has greater case capacity for slower burning powders. It has more potential for speed then the low case capacity 9mm. The 44Mag only generates 36,000 PSI. It's about the ability of the powder capacity to push a bullet. SIG is capably of pushing a 147 gr bullet to pretty good velocity as well because it has a larger case.
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.357 SIG is like .357 Magnum in that most love them until they have to shoot one w/o ear protection.

IMO, the .357 SIG is a specialist round for those who can shoot it well and for those that handload. Same goes for the 10mm. Few, if any, can afford enough factory ammo to become proficient with them.


If you don't handload then stick with a 9mm. Just my 2 cents.
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Pressure is not the same as velocity. The Sig has greater case capacity for slower burning powders. It has more potential for speed then the low case capacity 9mm. The 44Mag only generates 36,000 PSI. It's about the ability of the powder capacity to push a bullet. SIG is capably of pushing a 147 gr bullet to pretty good velocity as well because it has a larger case.
So true. The .357 Sig has a lot of case capacity.
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Old 03-04-2013, 17:38   #72
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It never ceases to amaze me how often people try to demonize the .357 Sig. I have never seen a more polarizing round. It's either "the .357 Sig doesn't do anything the 9mm can do" or "the .357 Sig shot through 3 ft of cement and took out a bad guy a mile away!" People seem to be either crazy about this round or they are on a mission to wipe it from the face of the earth.

What is it about this round that causes people to want to "pick" on it for? It is by far my favorite round - I carry it on duty, and own more handguns in this caliber than any other. It just blows me away how people continually attack it as the answer to a question no one asked. You never see threads on why someone would choose a .40 S&W over a .45 ACP, or that 9mm +P ammunition is "too expensive". But when the discussion starts mentioning .357 Sig, people come out of the woodwork to bad mouth it. Very, very strange...


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I totally agree. I absolutely love the round. But I base my decision on carrying it at work for about 15 years with numerous shootings. The facts are the facts in REAL LIFE. And it simply works. No need to hear others negative talk about it who have not seen themselves what it really does or does not do.
The secret service stated that it is the best handgun round they have ever tested and carry it with confidence.

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Old 03-04-2013, 17:43   #73
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.357 SIG is like .357 Magnum in that most love them until they have to shoot one w/o ear protection.

IMO, the .357 SIG is a specialist round for those who can shoot it well and for those that handload. Same goes for the 10mm. Few, if any, can afford enough factory ammo to become proficient with them.


If you don't handload then stick with a 9mm. Just my 2 cents.
Ive had to shoot mine a few times at work without hearing protection outside. My hearing is fine. And if involved in a shooting, you will barely hear the sound with the adrenaline and so much going on at once.
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Old 03-04-2013, 17:56   #74
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Ive had to shoot mine a few times at work without hearing protection outside. My hearing is fine. And if involved in a shooting, you will barely hear the sound with the adrenaline and so much going on at once.
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I had the misfortune of having to fire a 40 S&W in a small closed room with no hearing protection.
With an adrenalin dump it almost sounded suppressed.
My ears didn't ring at all.
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I had the misfortune of having to fire a 40 S&W in a small closed room with no hearing protection.
With an adrenalin dump it almost sounded suppressed.
My ears didn't ring at all.
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Ouch! Was it an SD shooting, or an AD?
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Old 03-04-2013, 20:05   #76
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It never ceases to amaze me how often people try to demonize the .357 Sig. I have never seen a more polarizing round. It's either "the .357 Sig doesn't do anything the 9mm can do" or "the .357 Sig shot through 3 ft of cement and took out a bad guy a mile away!" People seem to be either crazy about this round or they are on a mission to wipe it from the face of the earth.

What is it about this round that causes people to want to "pick" on it for? It is by far my favorite round - I carry it on duty, and own more handguns in this caliber than any other. It just blows me away how people continually attack it as the answer to a question no one asked. You never see threads on why someone would choose a .40 S&W over a .45 ACP, or that 9mm +P ammunition is "too expensive". But when the discussion starts mentioning .357 Sig, people come out of the woodwork to bad mouth it. Very, very strange...


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I as well think this is the best representation so far of the 357sig talk. Very well stated!
I picked up a g32 on a whim because I wanted to try something different and was almost angry that I had waited so long. It's such a great round and is a lot of fun to shoot.
I also laugh at people who say 357sig is SO expensive or it's just for reloaders. I don't reload, but I've bought probably 2k rounds of 357sig over the last few years and I bought in bulk online and got all of it for 17-22$ for a box of 50. That's about the same price as 45acp and no one complains about that being expensive. Now days 9mm is going for as much as 357sig.

357sig may not have as many different bullet weight offerings as some other calibers, at least not yet. Which is what some people like to call versatility. It doesn't really need them.

It's so obvious to tell when people post about calibers they don't even shoot.
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Old 03-04-2013, 23:12   #77
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Put a 6" lone wolf barrel on your g31. Work up a load for 125 gr. with the right powder and you are getting real close to 1600 fps. Hold about an inch under the top of an 8" steel plate at 100 yds and smack it in the middle

I'm not too interested in short barreled 357 sig but a 6" barrel has got some potential
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Put a 6" lone wolf barrel on your g31. Work up a load for 125 gr. with the right powder and you are getting real close to 1600 fps. Hold about an inch under the top of an 8" steel plate at 100 yds and smack it in the middle

I'm not too interested in short barreled 357 sig but a 6" barrel has got some potential
AA#9 sounds like it'd fit the bill nicely...
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Pressure is not the same as velocity. The Sig has greater case capacity for slower burning powders. It has more potential for speed then the low case capacity 9mm. The 44Mag only generates 36,000 PSI. It's about the ability of the powder capacity to push a bullet. SIG is capably of pushing a 147 gr bullet to pretty good velocity as well because it has a larger case.
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Pressure is not the same as velocity. The Sig has greater case capacity for slower burning powders. It has more potential for speed then the low case capacity 9mm. The 44Mag only generates 36,000 PSI. It's about the ability of the powder capacity to push a bullet. SIG is capably of pushing a 147 gr bullet to pretty good velocity as well because it has a larger case.
Good call. I have had a little trouble getting my crimp set up for the 147 gr bullet. the first few 147 gr out of the 6" sig 357 seem to indicate good things to come.

I think this is the first cartridge I have reloaded that burned all the blue dot I put in the case. The sig 357 may well shoot up a strom with the 147gr.

I understand this forum is not about reloading. It is hard to get max preformance out of a caliber without condsidering reloading. when I get the 147 gr running well and find a hot load I the meets my expectations I'll post the velocity of the 125 and 147.
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