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Old 03-04-2013, 19:05   #76
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It never ceases to amaze me how often people try to demonize the .357 Sig. I have never seen a more polarizing round. It's either "the .357 Sig doesn't do anything the 9mm can do" or "the .357 Sig shot through 3 ft of cement and took out a bad guy a mile away!" People seem to be either crazy about this round or they are on a mission to wipe it from the face of the earth.

What is it about this round that causes people to want to "pick" on it for? It is by far my favorite round - I carry it on duty, and own more handguns in this caliber than any other. It just blows me away how people continually attack it as the answer to a question no one asked. You never see threads on why someone would choose a .40 S&W over a .45 ACP, or that 9mm +P ammunition is "too expensive". But when the discussion starts mentioning .357 Sig, people come out of the woodwork to bad mouth it. Very, very strange...


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I as well think this is the best representation so far of the 357sig talk. Very well stated!
I picked up a g32 on a whim because I wanted to try something different and was almost angry that I had waited so long. It's such a great round and is a lot of fun to shoot.
I also laugh at people who say 357sig is SO expensive or it's just for reloaders. I don't reload, but I've bought probably 2k rounds of 357sig over the last few years and I bought in bulk online and got all of it for 17-22$ for a box of 50. That's about the same price as 45acp and no one complains about that being expensive. Now days 9mm is going for as much as 357sig.

357sig may not have as many different bullet weight offerings as some other calibers, at least not yet. Which is what some people like to call versatility. It doesn't really need them.

It's so obvious to tell when people post about calibers they don't even shoot.
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Old 03-04-2013, 22:12   #77
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Put a 6" lone wolf barrel on your g31. Work up a load for 125 gr. with the right powder and you are getting real close to 1600 fps. Hold about an inch under the top of an 8" steel plate at 100 yds and smack it in the middle

I'm not too interested in short barreled 357 sig but a 6" barrel has got some potential
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Old 03-05-2013, 07:38   #78
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Put a 6" lone wolf barrel on your g31. Work up a load for 125 gr. with the right powder and you are getting real close to 1600 fps. Hold about an inch under the top of an 8" steel plate at 100 yds and smack it in the middle

I'm not too interested in short barreled 357 sig but a 6" barrel has got some potential
AA#9 sounds like it'd fit the bill nicely...
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Old 03-05-2013, 09:23   #79
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Pressure is not the same as velocity. The Sig has greater case capacity for slower burning powders. It has more potential for speed then the low case capacity 9mm. The 44Mag only generates 36,000 PSI. It's about the ability of the powder capacity to push a bullet. SIG is capably of pushing a 147 gr bullet to pretty good velocity as well because it has a larger case.
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Pressure is not the same as velocity. The Sig has greater case capacity for slower burning powders. It has more potential for speed then the low case capacity 9mm. The 44Mag only generates 36,000 PSI. It's about the ability of the powder capacity to push a bullet. SIG is capably of pushing a 147 gr bullet to pretty good velocity as well because it has a larger case.
Good call. I have had a little trouble getting my crimp set up for the 147 gr bullet. the first few 147 gr out of the 6" sig 357 seem to indicate good things to come.

I think this is the first cartridge I have reloaded that burned all the blue dot I put in the case. The sig 357 may well shoot up a strom with the 147gr.

I understand this forum is not about reloading. It is hard to get max preformance out of a caliber without condsidering reloading. when I get the 147 gr running well and find a hot load I the meets my expectations I'll post the velocity of the 125 and 147.
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Good call. I have had a little trouble getting my crimp set up for the 147 gr bullet. the first few 147 gr out of the 6" sig 357 seem to indicate good things to come.

I think this is the first cartridge I have reloaded that burned all the blue dot I put in the case. The sig 357 may well shoot up a strom with the 147gr.

I understand this forum is not about reloading. It is hard to get max preformance out of a caliber without condsidering reloading. when I get the 147 gr running well and find a hot load I the meets my expectations I'll post the velocity of the 125 and 147.
Please do.
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Old 03-07-2013, 13:26   #82
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Maybe a reloading warning woul be appropriate to this forum. If you have been reloading straight walled pistol cases and decide to reload 357 sig it can give ya some issues.

Ya screw the resizing die in till your die meets the shell holder the add a 1/2 turn. Well when ya start pushing the 357 sig, that may not set the shoulder back enough.

If ya decide to reload the cartridge and have an issue PM me
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Old 03-07-2013, 14:06   #83
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I owned a Glock 32 for a few months. The 357Sig isn't a bad cartridge, but I never really warmed up to it. Also, I didn't really see a place for it with already owning 9mm (capacity), 45ACP (more power), and 10mm (capacity and power :-]).

Although I suppose the real reason I got rid of the G32 is because I was tired of buying reloading supplies for another handgun and because the 357Sig cartridge uses a lot of powder.
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I owned a Glock 32 for a few months. The 357Sig isn't a bad cartridge, but I never really warmed up to it. Also, I didn't really see a place for it with already owning 9mm (capacity), 45ACP (more power), and 10mm (capacity and power :-]).

Although I suppose the real reason I got rid of the G32 is because I was tired of buying reloading supplies for another handgun and because the 357Sig cartridge uses a lot of powder.
The .357Sig does use a lot of powder to gain only 100-150 FPS above the 9mmP.
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Old 03-10-2013, 09:05   #85
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When I asked the original question, I had no idea I was attacking the "Holy Grail". Now I will ask another. Since ya'll defend the cartridge with such great vigor, how many of you have a G33 for everyday carry? How many of you view this as an ideal cartridge in this barrel length? Doesn't it simply amount to wasted powder, excess muzzle blast, with very little gain over the 9mm in this short a barrel?
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Old 03-10-2013, 09:41   #86
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I think its a great SD round in a 4'' or longer barrel. I had a G32 barrel for my 23 and a boat load of HSTs and GDs. I really liked that round but my problem was the blast. in a car or small room it would be too much. others would say it shouldn't be a concern if it saves your life. I have serious hearing loss and loud ringing in my ears that I dealt with every day for the last 25 years. I have .40s and .45s and the sig round is much louder so I sold my barrel and ammo and bought a 30sf. I still think the sig round is probably one of the best, if not the best SD round. but if I can use a 230grn .45 or a 180grn .40 with nearly the same results and save what little hearing I got, thats what I'll do.
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I can see where the G33 would make sense for a LEO whose primary weapon is a 31 or 32. It that application it would be a backup with the same ammo as the primary. I get that. However when you are a civilian and want a sub-compact for every day carry as your only weapon, how much sense does the 33 really make? I think I will stick with the 26.
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When I asked the original question, I had no idea I was attacking the "Holy Grail". Now I will ask another. Since ya'll defend the cartridge with such great vigor, how many of you have a G33 for everyday carry? How many of you view this as an ideal cartridge in this barrel length? Doesn't it simply amount to wasted powder, excess muzzle blast, with very little gain over the 9mm in this short a barrel?
Regardless of barrel length you absolutely get more than 9mm. Ive been carrying 357sig at work for a long time and currently carry the 31/33 combo. I'm not one to carry the sub-compacts as a primary carry weapon. I don't feel you get enough control over that small a weapon as your main carry, especially in a 357/40 caliber. MAYBE 9MM. But in 357sig, id go with the 32 for concealed carry.
And I feel the 357sig is the best handgun caliber for self defense on the planet.
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Dave, I think you know that you have asked question not easy to answer with certainty. We discuss carry and calibers somewhat out of context. In texas you must carry concealed. So there is a social side to carry and you must consider it. You don't want the pistol to print on you cloths. I have ask myself the question, if i was going to a gun fight what pistol would want to carry. It is almost never the gun I am carring. You have to consider all of your responsibilities when carring.

To wit there is no pistol that I can carry daily that I would take to a gun fight given my choice.
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I Edc a g33. My first gun in 357sig was a g32 and after I warmed up to it I put my g26 in the safe and went to a g33. I've personally never noticed a difference in blast between any 357sig and 40/45. 9mm maybe. I carry federal hst in all my guns. I was estimating ( no chrono data done personally) ~1150 fps with hst in my g26 and ~1300 fps with hst in my g33. If you can shoot it well why not gain a little more power. I'd rather carry my g33 over probably any other gun made. Good combo of size, power, and concealability.
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Regardless of barrel length you absolutely get more than 9mm. Ive been carrying 357sig at work for a long time and currently carry the 31/33 combo. I'm not one to carry the sub-compacts as a primary carry weapon. I don't feel you get enough control over that small a weapon as your main carry, especially in a 357/40 caliber. MAYBE 9MM. But in 357sig, id go with the 32 for concealed carry.
And I feel the 357sig is the best handgun caliber for self defense on the planet.
It is like having a .357 magnum with more than 6 shots!
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After years of debating with myself, I went with a Gen 3 32 and now that summer is around the corner a 33 is the obvious choice for the hot months... The issue now is ammo, I run a gun shop and 357 Sig is hard (not impossible) to find, but soooooo worth it!
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I owned a Glock 32 for a few months. The 357Sig isn't a bad cartridge, but I never really warmed up to it. Also, I didn't really see a place for it with already owning 9mm (capacity), 45ACP (more power), and 10mm (capacity and power :-]).
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been 45acp. But it's not "the" best CCW round.

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Regardless of barrel length you absolutely get more than 9mm. Ive been carrying 357sig at work for a long time and currently carry the 31/33 combo. I'm not one to carry the sub-compacts as a primary carry weapon. I don't feel you get enough control over that small a weapon as your main carry, especially in a 357/40 caliber. MAYBE 9MM. But in 357sig, id go with the 32 for concealed carry.
And I feel the 357sig is the best handgun caliber for self defense on the planet.
I agree, my next compact will be a G32.
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I carry my G33 most often and I own a 32 and a 31 also. The 33 is just a handy little pistol and carries well. I get more rounds, easier to control, and slightly more velocity out of my G33 than a .357mag snubby. The 33 is also thinner and weighs less than most snubbies. Plus I can drop a G27 barrel in and shoot .40 or pick up a conversion barrel and shoot 9mm. I reload so the price of .357sig ammo is just slightly more than 9mm due to extra couple grains of powder but is still cheaper than reloading .40.

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I carry my G33 most often and I own a 32 and a 31 also. The 33 is just a handy little pistol and carries well. I get more rounds, easier to control, and slightly more velocity out of my G33 than a .357mag snubby. The 33 is also thinner and weighs less than most snubbies. Plus I can drop a G27 barrel in and shoot .40 or pick up a conversion barrel and shoot 9mm. I reload so the price of .357sig ammo is just slightly more than 9mm due to extra couple grains of powder but is still cheaper than reloading .40.
And practicing with it is almost free if you cast your own.
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And practicing with it is almost free if you cast your own.
I have been buying jacketed however I am going to get a 147gr .357sig specific bullet mold made. These days it is good to have options and backup plans.
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I have been buying jacketed however I am going to get a 147gr .357sig specific bullet mold made. These days it is good to have options and backup plans.
Specifically made how?
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Specifically made how?
Accurate has a 147gr bullet profile for .357sig in their catalog. The lube grooves and profile of some 9mm bullets do not work so great with the sig.
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IMHO, the 125 grain is "The Sweet Spot". I don't think there is any reason to change to a heavier bullet. Except maybe for game.
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IMHO, the 125 grain is "The Sweet Spot". I don't think there is any reason to change to a heavier bullet. Except maybe for game.
If 125 gr bullet is the sweet spot a six in barrel is the hot spot. Working with 147 gr bullets and H110 the sig puts that last 2" to good use. Very consistent with small variations in velocity. I have not got a max load nailed down but the velocity will be knocking on the 1400 fps door. I have several more powders to work out.

I have shot several batches of 125 gr at max velocity (a few may be over) out of the Six barrel. T'is a string to 100 yds. I bet the drop is 3" are there about. If the gong sound is any test the bullet is still move post haste.

357 sig Is not my favorite cartridge to reload.

147 accurate bullet is a penetrating son of a gun.
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