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Old 02-22-2013, 10:38   #26
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I would like to know exactly what was said not what the Huffington Post decided to go with. Arriana is besties with scumbag Al Franken.
Several other news agencies are reporting the same thing as the Huffington Post.

The NRA needs a new president.

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Old 02-22-2013, 10:41   #27
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and this is exactly why people, including the NRA, avoid talking about full auto weapons.

There are way too many sticky points and way too many places that can be misattributed by the press to get into because NO ONE is talking about full auto right now.

Can we get to topics that are actually having bills put in for and put this one on the back burner for when this skirmish is over, please?
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:42   #28
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Seems his statement was more incomplete than inaccurate.
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Old 02-22-2013, 10:55   #29
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and this is exactly why people, including the NRA, avoid talking about full auto weapons.

There are way too many sticky points and way too many places that can be misattributed by the press to get into because NO ONE is talking about full auto right now.

Can we get to topics that are actually having bills put in for and put this one on the back burner for when this skirmish is over, please?

Why do you think machine gun owners should hide in the shadows like criminals?

Do you actually think the anti-gunners and the liberal press don't know about legal machine guns?

Legal machine guns are a ticking time bomb in the current gun control debate, and when the anti-gunners are ready they'll detonate it.

I think we just found out today where the NRA will stand when that bomb goes off. Screw the NRA.

If they won't fight for legal machine guns, will they also abandon the AR-15 and AK-47 owners too?

If the NRA gets to pick and choose what guns they think should be legal, that makes them no different than Dianne Feinstein or Jim Zumbo.

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Old 02-22-2013, 11:17   #30
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Everyone can occasionally make either an error in judgement or simply use the wrong words or phrasing.
(Ever see our V.P. Joe Biden in action?)

While I will agree the 1934 NFA (at least IMO) was unconstitutional, I think the chances of reversing an 80 year old law would be almost impossible and more than likely a huge waste of money and time. And in the end, successful or not, I believe that it could create a very negative effect on public sentiment towards the Second Amendment and future firearms legislation.

As a former poster pointed out, just trying to explain the difference between the AR-15 and the M-16, for nearly TWENTY YEARS has been an obviously unsuccessful mission.

Even if we survive the current efforts to impose another AWB, hi-capacity magazines, background checks, and possibly registrations, there will be more of the same (if not more radical) in the future and I believe we need to "keep our powder dry in order to fight, and win those future battles.

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Old 02-22-2013, 11:40   #31
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I don't think he really meant they are "illegal" or should be.

He took the easy route to avoid the long explanation. I don't know if that was the best route or not, because I can see his words being twisted and used against him in the future in some way. He probably shouldn't have said they were "illegal" his answer should have been "none" I agree, but I can't put words back in his mouth.

What he did do successfully is divert attention away from the subject of Full auto/nfa. Do you really want to remind people it is actually possible for people to own full auto weapons when most of them don't know or have forgotten you can?
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Perhaps he doesn't want to get caught up in a detailed discussion about a topic that's not even on the agenda anywhere when it detracts from discussions about what is actually happening here/now?
I think this is the issue.

You start talking to "non gun people" about full auto's.. in 20min they've confused full auto and semi-auto, and they are running newspaper articles and editorials saying Congress is trying to pass a bill to ban full auto.

Let sleeping dogs lie... There will be another day (hopefully) to fight the full auto ban.
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Old 02-22-2013, 12:22   #33
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Several other news agencies are reporting the same thing as the Huffington Post.

The NRA needs a new president.

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Why don't you and GOA take the feds to court over NFA? And what is GOA doing right now to get NFA over turned? What are you doing to get it over turned? Please be spoecific.
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Old 02-22-2013, 13:50   #34
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I don't see as I'm the one pushing wedge issues at a time when we should be banding together.

Perhaps the NRA president believes they should be illegal. Maybe I missed the part where anyone, anywhere, is trying to pass such a law. Since there isn't a bill out there doing this that I'm aware of I put it in the same category as those who want to ban firearms that can go through metal detectors, a non issue to be taken up internally after this cluster screw is survived.

Just what we need, a whole bunch of help for those trying to divide and conquer pro-rights people. Thanks.
Hey! Don't look at me; I didn't start it. (You did!)

Neither do I appreciate the president of a, supposedly, pro-Second Amendment corporation - An organization of which I've been a part for more years than (I suspect) half the membership of this entire board has been alive - disparaging my presumed, 'God-given and unalienable right' to own firearms that are, at least, equal to or even better than what the American military and law enforcement are commonly allowed to field.

During this nation's first 150 years of existence this disparity in weaponry between the American: military, law enforcement, and the general citizenry DID NOT EXIST; but, today, it does. Perhaps that doesn't particularly concern an old soldier like you; but it does me.

As far as this Life Member of the National Rifle Association is concerned the NRA President would do well to shut his mouth and keep his detrimental personal opinions to himself. Another thing: Speaking of, 'wedges', right now, two of the biggest impediments to America's Second Amendment rights appear to be coming from both the NRA and, around here, ....... you.

NOTE: This morning I attempted to purchase 22 caliber LR ammunition. Even though I contacted 5 or 6 local stores there is NONE to be found! THIS at a time when the, so-called, 'Department of Homeland Security' has A BILLION ROUNDS OF PISTOL AND CARBINE AMMO on order! (What is the, ‘Department of Homeland Security’ up to? That’s enough ammo to re:fight Vietnam!)

I'm an old man; so what do I know? You tell me what an internal government agency is going to do with A BILLION ROUNDS of ammunition acquired at a time when the reigning government administration is trying very very hard to substantially disarm (and effectively castrate) American gun owners!

Maybe you'd be happy with one of, 'Sancho Panza's double-barreled shotguns'; but, I would not. I'm an old man; I can still shoot 5.56mm rifles and carbines well enough; but larger centerfire calibers, and heavy shotguns are, quite frankly, a little much for my old bones to handle.

I've got tinnitus in my ears from decades of shooting without either muffs on my ears, (NOBODY used them when I was a young man.) and no, 'evil silencers' on the muzzles of any of my guns. As for, so-called, 'high capacity magazines'? Full capacity magazines are much easier for my older arthritic hands to manage. The less fumbling I have to do with loose ammunition, the better!

I, for one, do not appreciate having a bunch of thoughtless and apparently hysterical politicians working late into the night in order to force me to use limited capacity magazines. (Like this sort of political stupidity is going to correct anything!) What America really needs is to put: God, the Ten Commandments, classical morality, and the psychological awareness of, 'BEING PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE' to: God, your fellowman, and yourself (as well) back into American society - NOT more of the same old, 'crapola gun legislation' that the Clinton Administration once tried to force down our throats.

Crapola gun legislation didn't work for the Clinton Administration; for an historical fact it did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to reduce crime in America; but here we are, again, with America's most prominent politicians vying with one another in order to get more fakakta gun legislation back on the table and preemptively forced into law.

MARK MY WORDS: It's NOT going to work; and none of us are going to be any safer. (Again!)

What WILL HAPPEN is that a very great many law abiding, honest, and peaceable American citizens are going to suffer (probably) irrevocable damage to their hard-won Second Amendment rights, and valuable personal property will start to become both criminalized and confiscated. (One exceedingly ambitious American governor has already begun the criminalization process!)

Then, the ever-growing disparity between American law enforcement, the military, and the general American citizenry will firmly expand beyond effective control of the general voting public. If the process has not already begun, (Yes, I'm being facetious!) American public offices will become particularly appealing and ultimately occupied by the very worst of men.

THAT is what's going to happen! In fact there is NOT THE SLIGHTEST DOUBT inside my well-aged, well-educated, and well-experienced brain that the social processes of political degradation inside American politics have already begun - Not the slightest doubt.

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Old 02-22-2013, 14:12   #35
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Is it possible the quote is out of context?

Perhaps he was referring to "What guns shouldn't be sold over the counter today?" type question.

Lets not hang the guy because a hack article of Huffpost, the leader in journalist integrity.
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Old 02-22-2013, 14:13   #36
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I think automatic weapons SHOULD be legal. Along with silencers, and SBRs.

But, then again, I believe in the 2A.
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Until I read the actual transcript of the question asked and the answer given, I am leaning towards his statement being taken out of context by the media.
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Old 02-22-2013, 14:22   #38
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I agree with you.

The NRA president is pushing a wedge issue at a time when we should be banding together.

His statement alienates machine gun owners and kind of throws them under the bus at a time when we all need to work together to keep our gun rights.

You'd think the president of the NRA would know better?

Machine gun owners are gun owners too.
Your posts aren't helping with the banding together.
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Old 02-22-2013, 14:29   #39
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I'm ok with that statement most of the general public have no clue that you can own full auto weapons so let them think you can't. I think it's more of a blanket statement. If you say there legal all hell would break loose.


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If what I think is true is correct, HuffPo has succeeded in driving wedges, as mentioned earlier. At least in this thread, it has.

The current NRA president notwithstanding, they're our 800 pound gorilla in DC.

Right now, select-fire arms are not on the agenda, and the left would that we lost focus of what is on the agenda. Don't be duped.
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The vast majority of Americans do not have the credentials to legally own those weapons. To own them you need an FFL, which most do not have.
Wrong. If you don't know the answer, don't speak and let everyone know it.

I suggest you look up the National Firearms Act of 1934 as a beginning.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/nfa/
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Your posts aren't helping with the banding together.
Really?

What's the difference between the NRA president saying that full auto weapons should be illegal and Jim Zumbo saying that people don't need AR-15s to hunt with, or Dianne Feinstein saying that we don't need assault rifles?

To band together we need to support ALL gun owners, but the NRA president seems to think differently.

What about all the 2nd amendment hypocrites that have posted here defending his statement?

There can be NO COMPROMISE with the anti-gunners.
The NRA president has indicated a willingness to compromise.

When he was asked what guns should be illegal, he could have simply said "none". He knew what he was saying, he's not that ignorant of the gun debate.

The NRA turned it's back on machine gun owners in 1986, and today their president has done it again.

How long until the NRA turns it's back on assault weapons owners?
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Old 02-22-2013, 14:43   #43
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Wrong. If you don't know the answer, don't speak and let everyone know it.

I suggest you look up the National Firearms Act of 1934 as a beginning.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/nfa/
You are correct, which I'm sure you knew, but to further inform the uninformed, basically you can own a full-auto/select fire weapon with a background check, paperwork, etc and $200 if it was registered prior to 1986. It's called a NFA item.
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Can we get to topics that are actually having bills put in for and put this one on the back burner for when this skirmish is over, please?
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I believe we need to "keep our powder dry in order to fight, and win those future battles.
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Let sleeping dogs lie... There will be another day (hopefully) to fight the full auto ban.
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Right now, select-fire arms are not on the agenda, and the left would that we lost focus of what is on the agenda. Don't be duped.
Are you guys naive enough to think that the liberal press and the anti-gunners don't already have a plan to ban full auto weapons?

Anti-gunners are not stupid, they know about legal full auto weapons. They've done their homework.

Burying your heads in the sand and ignoring the problem until it becomes a bigger problem is the wrong thing to do.

Once they ban semi autos, they'll go after the full autos.
We already know which side of that fight the NRA will be on.
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You are correct, which I'm sure you knew, but to further inform the uninformed, basically you can own a full-auto/select fire weapon with a background check, paperwork, etc and $200 if it was registered prior to 1986. It's called a NFA item.
This being an area I'm totally unfamiliar with.. what if the weapon was not registered prior to 86.. can't own it?

Honestly, I thought as long as you had the tax stamps, paperwork, etc.. you could own any full auto/select auto.. not just pre-86 models.
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Old 02-22-2013, 15:29   #46
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I don't even know why the NRA would visit this subject...makes no sense they have bigger fish to fry. To me it's a waste of time and breath.. Keene needs to shut his mouth and worry about the other issues facing law abiding citizens. Now I know why I got out of the NRA. I've seen it to many times the NRA starts out all gung ho and then they shoot thereselves in the foot. The NRA means well to fight for our 2nd Amend but then some dumbaxx like that has got to open his mouth and open another can of worms.... Geeeeez
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I think he is trying to use political tactics and avoid looking like an extremist. Trying to win the war.
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"...the AR-15 humting rifle..." & "which are already ilegal..."

Anybody may be excused for saying what he did except for him and LaPierre.
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Do we even know that he said those words?
Is there video of it?

I wouldn't take a single word on the huffpost site as the truth.
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Mr. Morrison, the author of the aritcle said 'already illegal', not Mr. Keene. Here's the quote...

"Keene answered "fully automatic weapons," which are already illegal for private citizens."

Mr. Keene said, "fully automatic weapons." See the quotation marks? They aren't around the words already illegal. That's Mr. Morrison's statement.

If Mr. Keene had said it the way it's been interpreted in this thread, the article would read "fully automatic weapons which are already illegal". But that's not what the author wrote. Mr. Keene only gets credit for 3 words "fully automatic weapons".

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