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Old 02-22-2013, 14:40   #41
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.45 230 Golden Sabers.

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Old 02-22-2013, 14:44   #42
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I would 'cause it is. (heavy for caliber, that is)

Not too many bullet weights are offered above 230 gr. for the .45ACP. I think the only one out there at this time is a specialty load by Buffalo Bore (a 255 gr HCFN). For the .45ACP, 230 gr is heavy for caliber.

That is why the term "heavy for caliber" specifies "for caliber"- the .357 isn't a .45- the .357 has a greater usable case capacity and can push bullets of higher sectional density than the .45. It is a different caliber afterall.
Well, I know we are talking about semantics here, but 230 grain in 45 auto is standard for caliber, not heavy, and has been since about.... oh, 1911 or so...

Sectional density is sectional density and is an aid to penetration, all other things being equal.

If given bullet weight is a standard loading, then it really can't be a heavy-for-caliber loading at the same time....

Just because few, if any, manufacturers offer heavy-for-caliber loadings in 45 auto doesn't mean their standard load is heavy-for-caliber. I know people that load from 250 - 270+ grains in 45 auto and 45 Super. Those are heavy-for-caliber in 45 auto. Anything less than 230 in 45 auto is a lightweight bullet. 230 grains is standard.
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Old 02-22-2013, 14:53   #43
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I like the HST and the Ranger T. If I come across a .45 with HP feeding problems I go with the 230 Golden Saber because of its more feed friendly bullet profile.
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Old 02-22-2013, 15:00   #44
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230 grain Olin M1911 ball. US Army pistol team milsurp. Because I'm old school, and a big baller, shot caller.
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Old 02-22-2013, 15:15   #45
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255gr LSWC at 850FPS.
This is a special handload with a cast bullet . . .
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Old 02-22-2013, 15:18   #46
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Well, I know we are talking about semantics here, but 230 grain in 45 auto is standard for caliber, not heavy, and has been since about.... oh, 1911 or so...

Sectional density is sectional density and is an aid to penetration, all other things being equal.

If given bullet weight is a standard loading, then it really can't be a heavy-for-caliber loading at the same time....

Just because few, if any, manufacturers offer heavy-for-caliber loadings in 45 auto doesn't mean their standard load is heavy-for-caliber. I know people that load from 250 - 270+ grains in 45 auto and 45 Super. Those are heavy-for-caliber in 45 auto. Anything less than 230 in 45 auto is a lightweight bullet. 230 grains is standard.



I'm not M7, but amigo, knowing him, I believe what he meant was... It (230gr) can be termed "heavy for caliber", because we are not dropping down to a 165gr, or a 185gr, or a 200gr, etc; to try and get more vel and thus 'hope' for a better outcome. Thus 230gr being "heavy for caliber here" as opposed to these lesser weights.

So yes, 230gr in 45acp is "heavy for caliber", if you consider that some folks want to use "lighter for this caliber" as the 165/185/200gr bullets...








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Old 02-22-2013, 16:07   #47
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230 grain Olin M1911 ball. US Army pistol team milsurp. Because I'm old school, and a big baller, shot caller.
Great reply!
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Old 02-22-2013, 17:01   #48
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The old standard for years has been the 230 grain fmj. But I wouldn't go so far as to refer to this as a "heavy-for-caliber load in 45 Auto.
CM said it ! gracias amigo!!



All this talk about .45 reminds me I want a .45 LC.
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Old 02-22-2013, 17:30   #49
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CCI Speer LE Gold Dot 230 grain (right now)

Federal Premium Tactical HST 230 grain
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Winchester Ranger T 230 grain

I have a large number of .45 magazines and they are loaded with a distribution of these three defense rounds.
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Old 02-22-2013, 20:21   #50
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Old 02-24-2013, 01:55   #51
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I'd go with the 230 gr. +P HST.
That's what is in my HK45.

+1 on the HST.
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Old 02-24-2013, 02:55   #52
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Winchester 230 gr HP 'Personal Protection' that I paid $32 for a box of 50. Hey, they go fast enough, AND they make a big hole. I think +p or +p+ is just overkill in .45 acp. Besides, the +p ammo puts undue stress on your pistol.
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Old 02-24-2013, 09:05   #53
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Old 02-24-2013, 18:56   #54
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Awesome ammo! 230gr HST!
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Old 02-26-2013, 18:33   #55
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I have boxes of Winchester Ranger T-Series and Federal HST.
Both 230 gr +P.

I'm happy with either, but prefer Ranger Ts.

5" barrel factory estimate;
Fed HST 950 fps
Ranger T 990 fps

From my 3.9" HK45C I like a little extra kick in the champagne
Plus the Ranger Ts expand like crazy.
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Old 02-26-2013, 19:14   #56
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Old 02-26-2013, 19:45   #57
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Well, let me pull this out...

Fed 230's HSTs in the Sig.

And it will be Win Ranger's 230's in the 1911's.

All standard velocity, because it works and ball for practice. And I have 357Magnums/Sigs and rifles for more speed.
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Old 02-26-2013, 20:36   #58
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Old 02-26-2013, 20:47   #59
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Buffalo Bore 230 +P
What bullet do they use in that load? I can't get an answer from them and I've written several times...
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Old 02-26-2013, 20:54   #60
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