[RMTactical]

Pricey. I wonder how good the finish is. Could it be better than NiB?

[Ruggles]

Originally Posted by bug

Damn people can find a argument anywhere any more.

I was trying to give folks a heads up with a product that's hard to find.

I am going to try one when they come in, I shoot 5-6000 rounds during the warm months. I will put them all through the gun with this carrier and let you all know How it goes.

That's if I can find ammo,I use wolf most of the time so I will actually try going with out lube and see how many rounds it takes till failure happens

The bread and butter on here for some is finding something to argue about it seems.

I think they look like they are worth a try. I will join you in picking one up next month as a spare BCG, too bad we can not pre order as I would today. BUt I think the fact that they are not taking pre orders is a good sign of their business practice. Linked the website so I can order one in March, thanks

[bug]

Originally Posted by Ruggles

The bread and butter on here for some is finding something to argue about it seems.

I think they look like they are worth a try. I will join you in picking one up next month as a spare BCG, too bad we can not pre order as I would today. BUt I think the fact that they are not taking pre orders is a good sign of their business practice. Linked the website so I can order one in March, thanks

Cool I will get one and report back to this thread what I find...
Who knows maybe its a great product.
Or it could be yet another in a long line of flops.
Like I said its a local company to me 10 min away so for me its a have to try thing...

[michael_b]

Originally Posted by Warp

That 'no lube' claim...an on AR15 bolt carrier group...is enough to send me running in the opposite direction at full speed, honestly

Yeah, that's what stood out to me too. Come on.... I don't even shoot mine much and I keep it lubed very well.


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[Ruggles]

Originally Posted by bug

Cool I will get one and report back to this thread what I find...
Who knows maybe its a great product.
Or it could be yet another in a long line of flops.
Like I said its a local company to me 10 min away so for me its a have to try thing...

For less than $250 it is worth a shot to try. Worse case it becomes a emergency back up BCG. I think it might just turnout to be pretty good.

[Warp]

Originally Posted by Ruggles

For less than $250 it is worth a shot to try. Worse case it becomes a emergency back up BCG. I think it might just turnout to be pretty good.

Worse case?

If you will never use the gun it goes into for anything 'important', then the worse case is that when it breaks catastrophically it damages another part of the gun and you have to replace it and replace/repair the other part of the gun.

Or maybe it breaks and you have to go buy another bolt or carrier or whatever specific little part in order to make the rifle functional again.

No way in hell the worse case is that it works, but you don't like it so you replace it with something else.

[Constructor]

The treatment/finish sounds like Melonite. Nothing wrong with it at all but I would use oil. A 70c carrier sliding in rough anodizing on the receiver that is also near 70c is going to heat up and wear something.

[bug]

Ok update time.

Went to see the factory where they are made in Akron.

1 the specs are there carpenter steal proper staking well made
on par or better than any carrier out there.
2 the process and finish are basically a Melonite/Tenifer type of finish and its done well.
3 The company doing the work is doing the finishes for half the company's in the industry
when I was there I seen, barrels for LWRC, 4000 S&W M&P hand gun slides, Kriss Barrels lots of 1911 frames/slides, sights, BCGs for all kinds of company's enough AR barrels to make you cry.
GE train engine cylinders and all kinds of stuff I could not identify.

I tried to upload a pic but its a cell picture its crappy but its all i got

[Matthew Courtney]

Not high pressure tested, batch MPI, carrier made drom 8620 while bolt carpenter 158, and reduced, not eliminated Oil and grease requirements claimed. The "proprietary hardening process" concerns me the most. Harder often does not mean stronger. Sometimes harder means more brittle.

[bug]

Originally Posted by Matthew Courtney

Not high pressure tested, batch MPI, carrier made drom 8620 while bolt carpenter 158, and reduced, not eliminated Oil and grease requirements claimed. The "proprietary hardening process" concerns me the most. Harder often does not mean stronger. Sometimes harder means more brittle.

I understand but he took the time to take me, a nobody for a tour to show me every thing.
I am not a operator, I am a fat truck driver.
But he still took the time to show me around.
I have to respect that about him he could have told me to F off. I told him I was curious about the product.
I was in the there lab I can tell you they are testing this product and all the other stuff as well. As I said they had a lot of manufacturers stuff there for this coating.

As far as the process you are probably using a barrel or other parts already that they coated. If you have a S&W M&P they more than likely did the melonite finish. Would you consider a M&P a bad product?

I don't work for them and its up to everyone to make there own choice.
But I am glad they are trying.

But its a american product built here by honorable guys, that were not afraid to show me what they are doing.

I bought one and will report back on its performance if I can find ammo.


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[Matthew Courtney]

Originally Posted by bug

I understand but he took the time to take me, a nobody for a tour to show me every thing.
I am not a operator, I am a fat truck driver.
But he still took the time to show me around.
I have to respect that about him he could have told me to F off. I told him I was curious about the product.
I was in the there lab I can tell you they are testing this product and all the other stuff as well. As I said they had a lot of manufacturers stuff there for this coating.

As far as the process you are probably using a barrel or other parts already that they coated. If you have a S&W M&P they more than likely did the melonite finish. Would you consider a M&P a bad product?

I don't work for them and its up to everyone to make there own choice.
But I am glad they are trying.

But its a american product built here by honorable guys, that were not afraid to show me what they are doing.

I bought one and will report back on its performance if I can find ammo.


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There are so many apples to hammers comparisons in your post that No coherent rational response can be made. Great leaps forward are made by guys who try new things, but most who try new things have many failures for every leap forward.

[bug]

Originally Posted by Matthew Courtney

There are so many apples to hammers comparisons in your post that No coherent rational response can be made. Great leaps forward are made by guys who try new things, but most who try new things have many failures for every leap forward.

Cool I like apples and hammers

Not sure what was hard about my post for you, I will make it simple.

1 nice guys
2 what appears to me to be quality product
3 try one if you want I did.
4 I am not a internet commando I admit it, I am fat truck driver.
5 they are a OEM supplier what's confusing about that?
6 its a free country and you may do as you wish I was just reporting back on what I found..


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[Stephenthesuave]

I held one yesterday that my buddy bought from them. He was very happy with the buying experience.

I wasn't, however, impressed with the carrier key staking. It looked nice and uniform, but didn't displace metal into the screws, which is the whole point obviously. They also use Allen screws, and I believe the Torx screws are the popular choice now.

[Ruggles]

Originally Posted by bug

Cool I like apples and hammers

Not sure what was hard about my post for you, I will make it simple.

1 nice guys
2 what appears to me to be quality product
3 try one if you want I did.
4 I am not a internet commando I admit it, I am fat truck driver.
5 they are a OEM supplier what's confusing about that?
6 its a free country and you may do as you wish I was just reporting back on what I found..


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Thanks for the report, rather anyone buys one or not you took the time to give us the info.

[Ruggles]

Originally Posted by Warp

Worse case?

If you will never use the gun it goes into for anything 'important', then the worse case is that when it breaks catastrophically it damages another part of the gun and you have to replace it and replace/repair the other part of the gun.

Or maybe it breaks and you have to go buy another bolt or carrier or whatever specific little part in order to make the rifle functional again.

No way in hell the worse case is that it works, but you don't like it so you replace it with something else.

I look at it like a spare tire in my car. Just used to get me thru in a pinch. Would you rather have a spare BCG of "unknown" quality or not have a spare BCG at all? I choose the former, no big deal.

[bug]

Originally Posted by Ruggles

Thanks for the report, rather anyone buys one or not you took the time to give us the info.

Thanks

[Ruggles]

Originally Posted by bug

Thanks

Honestly someone could post the cure for cancer on GT and there would still be negative post in that thread. I guess that is just the nature of some on here.

[bug]

Originally Posted by Ruggles

Honestly someone could post the cure for cancer on GT and there would still be negative post in that thread. I guess that is just the nature of some on here.

I know I have seen it too and honestly, I have done the same thing before so i am guilty of it as well.

But I am trying not to do that I am just giving my view the best I can I don't expect anyone to agree just trying to help fellow gun owners when things are tough.

No matter Spring is here so the computer goes in the closet and the guns come out. (-:

[Ruggles]

Originally Posted by bug

I know I have seen it too and honestly, I have done the same thing before so i am guilty of it as well.

But I am trying not to do that I am just giving my view the best I can I don't expect anyone to agree just trying to help fellow gun owners when things are tough.

No matter Spring is here so the computer goes in the closet and the guns come out. (-:

I most likely have done it as well. Maybe it just a "guy" thing

As hard as BCGs are to find right now any source is worth at least looking into IMO.

[Warp]

Originally Posted by Ruggles

I look at it like a spare tire in my car. Just used to get me thru in a pinch. Would you rather have a spare BCG of "unknown" quality or not have a spare BCG at all? I choose the former, no big deal.

Well, what I DID was get a spare BCM BCG.

And if I had to get one that was available, retail, right now, as a spare/backup I'd get this for $199

http://www.core15rifles.com/core15-bcg-99627.html


Or I'd just hit up Gunbroker and pay what I had to in order to get quality, as that would be less expensive than buying something of lower quality and then buying again, later, to get what I really wanted in the first place

[Ruggles]

Originally Posted by Warp

Well, what I DID was get a spare BCM BCG.

And if I had to get one that was available, retail, right now, as a spare/backup I'd get this for $199

http://www.core15rifles.com/core15-bcg-99627.html


Or I'd just hit up Gunbroker and pay what I had to in order to get quality, as that would be less expensive than buying something of lower quality and then buying again, later, to get what I really wanted in the first place

Buy what you want, I have no issues with that at all. But I would still take this BCG over none at all. Since this is still a new maker who knows beyond conjecture if it is a quality one or not. At some point almost everybody making BCGs today was the new unknown guy. Some of those turned out to be great, other not so much. Who knows with this new maker which way it will end up

I am glad when more folks start making parts for ARs (and 1911s!) as it drives a better end product for all of us.

[Warp]

Originally Posted by Ruggles

Buy what you want, I have no issues with that at all. But I would still take this BCG over none at all. Since this is still a new maker who knows beyond conjecture if it is a quality one or not. At some point almost everybody making BCGs today was the new unknown guy. Some of those turned out to be great, other not so much. Who knows with this new maker which way it will end up

I am glad when more folks start making parts for ARs (and 1911s!) as it drives a better end product for all of us.

There are always other options. The "this BCG or nothing" is a fraud. Even just reading the post you quoted and clicking the link that was in it would show that.

[Ruggles]

Originally Posted by Warp

There are always other options. The "this BCG or nothing" is a fraud. Even just reading the post you quoted and clicking the link that was in it would show that.

When some one who owns one of the BCG in question can post something other than either one of our conjecture on the quality of it then then the matter when at least have some facts behind it. Right now it does not. You nor I have any factual knowledge about the quality of said BCG to try and state otherwise is foolish.

Until then no real point trying to debate on conjecture IMO

[Warp]

Originally Posted by Ruggles

When some one who owns one of the BCG in question can post something other than either one of our conjecture on the quality of it then then the matter when at least have some facts behind it. Right now it does not. You nor I have any factual knowledge about the quality of said BCG to try and state otherwise is foolish.

Until then no real point trying to debate on conjecture IMO

I'm not the one claiming that this thing you know absolutely nothing about is worth spending hundreds of dollars on under the false pretense of not having a single other option.

[bug]

Originally Posted by Warp

I'm not the one claiming that this thing you know absolutely nothing about is worth spending hundreds of dollars on under the false pretense of not having a single other option.

Can you please tell me oh great guru of the BCG who makes the all mighty BCM carrier because its not BCM...

I like BCM they are A great company with great products and service but guess what they have not been around all that long and they were once new and untried and I bet even had a learning curve.....

And same could be said for core 15...

I have read threads on this very forum about guys having a bad BCM. Carrier.

It happens.... So I bug(the fat truck driver), me!! Not you!!! am going to try out this new BCG from a local company that from everything I can tell are a great bunch of guys to talk to and deal with so far....

So having said that if you Don't like the new product or think its crap great we get it.

Maybe one day after many years of testing you could try out one of those new fangled glocks them youngins been talkin bout.

Dang kids makin plastic guns heavens to bettsy...:D



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