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Old 02-18-2013, 18:28   #1
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Is Winchester 200 gr Silvertip JHP the best SD round available?
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Old 02-18-2013, 19:23   #2
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Is Winchester 200 gr Silvertip JHP the best SD round available?
That's an old standard.
Not a lot of high tech rounds available in that caliber.
I'd consider
CORBON 44 S&W Special 200gr DPX
http://www.shopcorbon.com/DPX-Handgu...20/200/Product
The all-copper bullet construction conquers hard barriers like auto glass and steel while still maintaining its integrity. This is an optimum load for Law Enforcement.
- Deep penetration on soft tissue 12-17 inches.
- Easily conquers hard barriers like auto glass and steel.
- Reduced recoil due to lighter-weight projectile.
- Lead-free projectile.
- Environmentally friendly!
*CERTIFIED: CALIFORNIA LEAD FREE*
Caliber: 44 S&W Special
Bullet Wt.: 200gr DPX
Velocity: 950fps
Energy: 401ftlbs
Test Barrel Length: 4.0 Inches
20 rounds per box.

Or
CORBON 44 S&W Special 165gr Self-Defense JHP
http://www.shopcorbon.com/Self-Defen...20/100/Product
CORBON's Traditional Jacketed Hollow Point ammunition made its reputation with "high velocity" loads. This high velocity, combined with our exclusively designed, jacketed hollow point bullets, makes for a very effective self-defensive load. Penetration and expansion in our test medium of 10% ballistic gelatin are excellent; expansion is consistently 2 times the original diameter of the bullet. Depending on caliber and bullet weight, penetration is between 9 and 14 inches.
Caliber: 44 S&W Special
Bullet Wt.: 165gr CORBON Self-Defense JHP
Velocity: 1050fps
Energy: 404ftlbs
Test Barrel Length: 4.0 Inches

If you're shooting specials from a 44 mag?
I use Speer GDHP 44 Mag 200 gr Short Barrel in my S&W 629 for self defense.
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Old 02-18-2013, 19:35   #3
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I agree - go with CorBon.
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regardless that the Silvertip is old tech it is a great performer in most calibers. it always expands well but sometimes looses it jacket.
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Is S&W or anyone else marketing a .44 Special revolver - Ruger or Charter Arms?
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BB made or still makes a 190gr. LSWHP @ 1150 fps. that looks like the old FBI .38spl load.

should be a real deal load, they had a disclaimer not to use it in guns lightly built like the charter arms bulldogs.

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.ph...t_detail&p=271
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Is S&W or anyone else marketing a .44 Special revolver - Ruger or Charter Arms?
Rossi and Taurus make some good ones if you can live with a built in lock.
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Is S&W or anyone else marketing a .44 Special revolver - Ruger or Charter Arms?

I just bought a new Smith and Wesson .44 Magnum with a 2.625 in barrel.

Been carrying it for a week now with 44 Special Winchester 200 gr Silvertip JHP .

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Is Winchester 200 gr Silvertip JHP the best SD round available?
Where, which pistol, and only people or what kind of four legged animals?

Buffalo Bore also sells a wadcutter that should cut a full caliber hole. But that brand is expensive now...

In town, I often load the Federal SWCHP load, or Speer Gold dots. In the hills, where mountain lions are known to track deer twenty feet from the front door, I like a 240 gr hard cast over a stout load of Unique.

There should be a good S&W 44 Special online if a local store can't help.

My carry rules don't allow 44 Magnum revolvers, but if yours do, then there are a lot of those - just load Special ammo into your Magnum revolver..

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Old 02-18-2013, 22:13   #10
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I'm wearing the Charter Arms right now. Great little gun.
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I know they' re pricy but in my opinion the Buffalo Bore wad cutter load is the most effective load available.
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200 gr Buffalo Bore WC at 1000 fps, 255 gr Keith SWC at 1000 fps, 240 gr cowboy load.

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Taurus stainless 445 2"

(velocity was taken from 5.5" ruger)
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I know they' re pricy but in my opinion the Buffalo Bore wad cutter load is the most effective load available.

I posted here recently .44 Special snubby tests done on four layer denim/calibrated gel and the winners were Corbon DPX & Win. ST easily. I have some of the Buffalo Bore full wadcutters as well as their 190 gr. SWCLHP loads. They are nice and accurate, but Buffalo Bore uses Rimrock bullets which are notoriously hard and don't expand worth a tinker's damn IMO. I load the DPX in my Bulldog as I swear one could eat soup out of the HP cavity and they always open up out of a snubby.

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It's the shape of the Buffalo Bore load that makes it effective. Research the Manstopper series of rounds put out by the Brits at the end of the 19th century (for their .455 and .476 caliber handguns).

Basically they were simply wadcutters (the first series had a large hollow in the nose. The final iteration was a simple wadcutter).

I carry their .38 Special wadcutter load in my 2" barrel handguns.
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Is Winchester 200 gr Silvertip JHP the best SD round available?

I don't know what your shooting it ot of pard, I have a host of 44mag/44spcieal. short to long barrel. The 3"/4" Smith makes an excellent SD gun. I roll my own and do use it in 44mag, just as i use my SP101 in 357mag.

But, if i were to go with "factory loads" for the 44special for two legged critters, I would use this !

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.ph...t_detail&p=271


My gosh, the BHN (hardness) of the lead is only 6 bhn. very soft, yet with its construction will penetrate deep in real world situations. That huge deep HP is sweet, If it opens fine, if not it will still do major damage..


Do't worry yourself with just gel test. The real world is a different story...







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It's the shape of the Buffalo Bore load that makes it effective. Research the Manstopper series of rounds put out by the Brits at the end of the 19th century (for their .455 and .476 caliber handguns).

Basically they were simply wadcutters (the first series had a large hollow in the nose. The final iteration was a simple wadcutter).

I carry their .38 Special wadcutter load in my 2" barrel handguns.

Yes, I know what they are. I had a buddy who had an old Webley RIC that we shot blackpowder .455's in. That was a real hoot!! The British used an almost pure lead slug I believe for that round.

http://cartridgecollectors.org/?page...455-cartridges


I carry the Rem. 158 gr. +p LSWCHP sometimes in a 442 backup as it seems to be the best for expansion.
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This is what I have on right now and the load in it.

250 gn KSWC

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This is what I have on right now and the load in it.

250 gn KSWC

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I don't know what your shooting it ot of pard, I have a host of 44mag/44spcieal. short to long barrel. The 3"/4" Smith makes an excellent SD gun. I roll my own and do use it in 44mag, just as i use my SP101 in 357mag.

But, if i were to go with "factory loads" for the 44special for two legged critters, I would use this !

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.ph...t_detail&p=271


My gosh, the BHN (hardness) of the lead is only 6 bhn. very soft, yet with its construction will penetrate deep in real world situations. That huge deep HP is sweet, If it opens fine, if not it will still do major damage..


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Where, which pistol, and only people or what kind of four legged animals?

Buffalo Bore also sells a wadcutter that should cut a full caliber hole. But that brand is expensive now...

In town, I often load the Federal SWCHP load, or Speer Gold dots. In the hills, where mountain lions are known to track deer twenty feet from the front door, I like a 240 gr hard cast over a stout load of Unique.

There should be a good S&W 44 Special online if a local store can't help.

My carry rules don't allow 44 Magnum revolvers, but if yours do, then there are a lot of those - just load Special ammo into your Magnum revolver..

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Smith 624 in the 3" RB variety so 44 special is the limit. I can carry it off duty if I want.
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