[jay1975]

Read the statement and it basically said, "what's good for the goose is good for the gander". Whatever local laws apply to the state residents, in effect, will apply to all state residents are far as sales are concerned. Since there are no federal bans on mags or "assault" weapons, they have no reason to limit federal sales, if they even have any. My rifles have all been Colt's, FNH's and Remington's. Pistols are Beretta, Glock, Sig and Colt's. Shotguns are Mossberg and Benelli with the rare Barret rifle thrown in the mix.

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[blueiron]

Originally Posted by jay1975

Blueiron, Larue hasn't said anything about DoD because the feds haven't enacted such ridiculous laws like NY has. Besides, does Larue even sell anything to the DoD? Midway and CTD have stopped sales to NY LEO agencies as well. Since the people seem to have no voice in NY, perhaps the almighty dollar can be heard.

[/URL]

Have you read their letter? I posted the quote from their website.

I can only assume that based on your above statement, that you don't know of Presidential executive orders banning importation of many small arms and the implementation of a 'sporting use' requirement, as interpreted by BATFE.

The Federal government's role in gun control is much more significant that you fail to state - NFA of 1934, GCA of 1968, Firearms protection act of 1986 [the Hughes amendment which banned further Title II manufacturing of auto weapons for civilian sales], the Lautenberg amendment which allowed government to retroactively apply future legal standards to previous historic acts in ownership of firearms, the 1994 act which gave us 10 round magazines, etc.

[jay1975]

I know the government has had their hands on gun control for a long time. Scallia says that the SCOTUS settle some questions once and for all. US v Miller, 1939 should jave ended the debate, but the SCOTUS has avoided citing that case for a while, until Heller that is.

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[kurt1305]

Originally Posted by txleapd

Have you ever chased an armed bank robber, who took a hostage, and then had to be put down while he was trying to carjack another victim?

Have you ever responded to a shooting in progress, then chase an armed suspect through the streets so he doesn't kill someone else, then got into a running gunfight?

Have you ever responded to an active shooter on a school/college campus?

Have ever buried one of your buddies, who was murdered while trying to stop a scumbag from killing people in a local Walmart?

Have you ever visisted a friend in the hospital, after he had his throat cut by a guy who had raped and murdered 3 girls?

Aside from these kind of things, I guess there's not much difference....

Why would you deny the average law-abiding citizen the same ability to deal with Maurice Pierce or Brandon Daniel?

[xArcher]

Originally Posted by FiremanMike

Why the hell are they punishing the cops who have nothing to do with these political games?

The police aren't being "punished", they should be held to the same standard/laws/regulations as everyone else.

What if we held the police to a higher standard and only allowed them 1 bullet. After all they are more highly trained and should not need more than one bullet.

On a less sarcastic note. For the most part the police unions, leadership and organizations have publicly supported new restrictive gun control laws and regulations. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. ..... Fix the union, leadership and organizations ... vote them out.

[Fiery Red XIII]

Originally Posted by Mayhem like Me

. I'll be impressed when they cancel the military contracts....

Where did I say that?!? Refusing to sell all products to 1 state is nullifying a liability. It's a CYA. That way they cannot be liable for a shipping error if they don'rt sell there. Anything else?

Red

[nursetim]

Mayhem like me, you do not have a constitutional right to a car, horse. We do have a right to arms in the constitution. A constitution that most of us here have raised our right hand to protect from all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC. Our job is to stand up for those that can't. Rather your job. The state passed laws to disarm the little guy, making your job much harder. This is an attempt by the manufactures to send a message. You disarm our customers? Well guess what, you are our customers as well. One for all and all for one. United we stand, divided we fall.

The following is not directed to anyone in particular.

If you don't like the conditions you work in, you have two choices. Shut up and suck it up or shut up and find another situation.

I worked in corrections and was miserable. I was whining so much I hated myself and the sound of my shrill voice. I wished up, popped smoke, and changed my situation. I just should have shut up about it.

[Fiery Red XIII]

Originally Posted by Mayhem like Me

. I'll be impressed when they cancel the military contracts....

And when don't politicians use cops/ff/ems as pawns?!?!?!?!?
I addressed a direct question (with my opinion), and you (tried to/hoped to) shift the blame/subject.

Red

[countrygun]

Originally Posted by GunHo198

Maybe all those Police Chiefs shouldn't have stood next to the POTUS as he signed all those executive orders in front of the media. By standing behind the anti gun President, they made a political statement.

I hope more companies follow there lead. Magpul has already announced they are moving there plant to another state as 2 more Dems signed on to the mag limit bill. It's a done deal.


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I hate to be the "Devil's Advocate" but this is a very good point. If those Chiefs want to be political then they get the political fallout.

[RocPO]

Originally Posted by kurt1305

It is my understanding many cops in NY support the weapons bans. Larue and Olympia are making political statements.

You're from TX. How many NY LEO's do you actually know? All you see on TV is the political talking heads (Commissioners/Chiefs) who only parrot what their handlers say. I AM a cop in NY. I know quite a few cops in NY. None of us, that I have spoken to personally, agree with this edict from King Andy. The problem lies in that we're not allowed to make statements to the press like the appointees are.

[RocPO]

Originally Posted by xArcher

On a less sarcastic note. For the most part the police unions, leadership and organizations have publicly supported new restrictive gun control laws and regulations. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. ..... Fix the union, leadership and organizations ... vote them out.

Show me one NY union that backs this nonsense. And by "leadership" you mean "political hacks", such as Kommisar Popeye from the NYPD.

[txleapd]

Originally Posted by kurt1305

Why would you deny the average law-abiding citizen the same ability to deal with Maurice Pierce or Brandon Daniel?

I wouldn't. I'm probably the most pro-gun person (cop or otherwise) you'll ever meet.

Not only do I not have any problem with the 'average law-abiding citizen' carrying for their protection and the protection of others, I highly encourage it. I would love to see nationwide reciprocity for CCW.

The question asked was what makes cops different from the 'average law-abiding citizen'. The answer is that cops are expected to wade into those situations. The 'average law-abiding citizen' isn't.

We get killed doing our job. The 'average law-abiding citizen' doesn't.

That's the difference. That's the only point I was making.


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[CJStudent]

Originally Posted by txleapd

I wouldn't. I'm probably the most pro-gun person (cop or otherwise) you'll ever meet.

Not only do I not have any problem with the 'average law-abiding citizen' carrying for their protection and the protection of others, I highly encourage it. I would love to see nationwide reciprocity for CCW.

The question asked was what makes cops different from the 'average law-abiding citizen'. The answer is that cops are expected to wade into those situations. The 'average law-abiding citizen' isn't.

We get killed doing our job. The 'average law-abiding citizen' doesn't.

That's the difference. That's the only point I was making.


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[RyanNREMTP]

Does anyone actually get hurt by not buying from Olympic Arms?

Sent from my Federation issued communicator.

[xArcher]

Originally Posted by RocPO

Show me one NY union that backs this nonsense. And by "leadership" you mean "political hacks", such as Kommisar Popeye from the NYPD.

Then the unions (and other police organizations) need to upgrade their leadership and political hacks.

[RocPO]

And again: show me one union that agreed with the provisions of King Andy's edict. So the unions aren't the problem.

The political hacks in the dept are another story. Do you get to choose your boss? Neither do I.

[AZson]

Because the idiots have to learn there are consequences to their stupidity, I hear they are already finding it hard to get ammo. They better hope they don't pi$$ off the ammo makers also.

[xArcher]

Originally Posted by txleapd

We get killed doing our job. The 'average law-abiding citizen' doesn't.

That's the difference. That's the only point I was making.

Police may get "killed" more often than the average law abiding citizen but other occupations are more dangerous and have higher mortality rates ... research iron workers and ditch diggers, there are more.

[Mayhem like Me]

Originally Posted by nursetim

Mayhem like me, you do not have a constitutional right to a car, horse. We do have a right to arms in the constitution. A constitution that most of us here have raised our right hand to protect from all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC. Our job is to stand up for those that can't. Rather your job. The state passed laws to disarm the little guy, making your job much harder. This is an attempt by the manufactures to send a message. You disarm our customers? Well guess what, you are our customers as well. One for all and all for one. United we stand, divided we fall.

The following is not directed to anyone in particular.

If you don't like the conditions you work in, you have two choices. Shut up and suck it up or shut up and find another situation.

I worked in corrections and was miserable. I was whining so much I hated myself and the sound of my shrill voice. I wished up, popped smoke, and changed my situation. I just should have shut up about it.

Again please read.... my state does not restrict people .. I was pointing out the vast hypocritical theme in this thread.

Everyone is ok with the fed allwowing the dod to purchase full autos while restricting citizens...but let a beat cop have a 15 round magazine and the sky is falling on your rights....

[RocPO]

Originally Posted by xArcher

Police may get "killed" more often than the average law abiding citizen but other occupations are more dangerous and have higher mortality rates ... research iron workers and ditch diggers, there are more.

Yes, but does the iron or dirt make a conscious decision to attempt to kill the workers just because of the uniform?

[Mayhem like Me]

Originally Posted by xArcher

Police may get "killed" more often than the average law abiding citizen but other occupations are more dangerous and have higher mortality rates ... research iron workers and ditch diggers, there are more.

Really they are violently shot to death or run over at work?

It is different if someone is actively trying to kill you..Find the number in those professions that were attacked to death and get back to me....

[Mayhem like Me]

Originally Posted by AZson

Because the idiots have to learn there are consequences to their stupidity, I hear they are already finding it hard to get ammo. They better hope they don't pi$$ off the ammo makers also.

Who are the idiots? I work in GA and we can't get ammo our gun laws are excellent.

[Mayhem like Me]

Originally Posted by Fiery Red XIII

And when don't politicians use cops/ff/ems as pawns?!?!?!?!?
I addressed a direct question (with my opinion), and you (tried to/hoped to) shift the blame/subject.

Red

Yes it is quite clear you fail to see the forrest through the trees.

No blame shifts my opinion is as valid as yours, this is a feel good ploy, if they were serious about gun rights they should boycott at the federal level. It does not effect me one bit I enjoy pointing out the hypocritical nature of it...you are the pawn here.

[txleapd]

Originally Posted by xArcher

Police may get "killed" more often than the average law abiding citizen but other occupations are more dangerous and have higher mortality rates ... research iron workers and ditch diggers, there are more.

Tell you what, hero... The next time all hell breaks loose, I'll give you a call. You can grab your guns and come save the day.

How does that sound?


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[txleapd]

xArcher...

How many of your friends and coworkers have you buried, because someone killed them?

I'm up to 4.

I really don't feel the need to listen to your drivel. Please troll somewhere else.


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