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Old 02-18-2013, 16:21   #26
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Why punish the citizens who are not breaking said laws?

The police aren't being "punished", they are being held to the same standard as everyone else.

Why are you attacking the MANUFACTURER, when your real enemies are the legislators.
Why attack the cops on the street instead of the legislators, who are the real enemies? The firearms companies are trying to use cops as pawns, even the scumbag legislators aren't doing that..
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Yep, Larue even said that they are going to exempt the .Feds, can't let all those contracts that he doesn't have go to waste
My point exactly hypocrite,all the usual suspects point to as a stand up guy move....style over substance ...
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In my state all can have what they want, I would not live or work in a liberal state.

To punish law enforcement officers because of what elected Officials propose is hypocritical and counter productive..


The armed forces work directly for the US government will these companies stop selling to uncle sugar...shall not be infringed seems to be fuzzy when dollars signs are at stake....
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I guess it just matters which side of the badge your on. Being a resident of NY and not a LEO I have an issue with LE getting special dispensation in regards to which laws apply to them. Previously Leo's were exempt from the 10rd mag ban and could have standard cap mags even off duty. Please don't think I'm trying to bash the Cops one of my best friends is a city cop. However if I get caught with more than seven rounds in a magazine who's going to be the person enforcing the laws passed by those playing political games with our freedom? I applaud the manufacturers that are standing up to Coumo and his commie thugs in Albany.
I don't have a CCW. I don't need one. I carry under my sworn authority. My agency even restricts what plain clothes handguns I can carry. I carry off duty all of the time. I do that so I can intervene whenever the need arises. If I act, I will be doing so and acting with the authority of my job. If I do intercede off duty, there is a good chance it will be with my personally owned handgun that my department has authorized.

I suppose that if the general public where I live wants to restrict my off duty movements and what I can and can't use, then I will probably ONLY worry about me and mine. But then again, maybe I won't. Because that is why I volunteered to be one of the guys to hold this position...

As for the companies refusing to sell to agencies or cops, it's all fun and games until someone (cops) suffer from not having adequate equipment. Sorry, but two can play this game. They don't want to sell to cops, no matter what state they may reside, then I can do business somewhere else. I support my brothers and sisters no matter what state they work. Capitalism and consumerism works both ways.
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Maybe all those Police Chiefs shouldn't have stood next to the POTUS as he signed all those executive orders in front of the media. By standing behind the anti gun President, they made a political statement.

I hope more companies follow there lead. Magpul has already announced they are moving there plant to another state as 2 more Dems signed on to the mag limit bill. It's a done deal.


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Do you not think that cops have to deal with the same idiots they arrest on duty while off duty? Do you not think they are at quite a bit more risk for retailiation from these guys? What about states/agencies that REQUIRE officers (by law or policy) to take action, even when "off duty", when certain actions occur in their presence?
The everyday person (non LEO) deal with those same idiots. The only difference is, in the kommie states they are expected to do it unarmed.
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Maybe all those Police Chiefs shouldn't have stood next to the POTUS as he signed all those executive orders in front of the media. By standing behind the anti gun President, they made a political statement.

I hope more companies follow there lead. Magpul has already announced they are moving there plant to another state as 2 more Dems signed on to the mag limit bill. It's a done deal.


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Have I got news for you magpul has made it super easy for LEOs to buy their gear..we have special prices and access since the price gouging started...I hope more companies follow their lead as well.
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Why attack the cops on the street instead of the legislators, who are the real enemies? The firearms companies are trying to use cops as pawns, even the scumbag legislators aren't doing that..
Because they are agents of the government, enforcing the laws enacted by the legislators? Legislators ALWAYS use cops/FF as pawns...you know that! Anytime they want a tax increase they say if it doesn't happen, LEO/FF/EMS are first in line for cuts!

ETA: I know the cops don't pick the rules...but ist seems to be all state .gov agencies being punished...and it's not really punishment since they can contract elsewhere. Also, some of the companies doing this are doing it to avoid liability...it's happened before. Agents order something from a website in violation of the law...if said item ships there, they go on the offensive...Remember Tommy? lol

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The everyday person (non LEO) deal with those same idiots. The only difference is, in the kommie states they are expected to do it unarmed.
Really? In just as confronational manner? Daily? With the threat of taking away their freedom and/or livelihood?
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I read a headline that several firearm/accessory manufacturers (Olympic arms and larue included) were supposedly refusing to sell to cops in states where politicians are passing stricter gun laws.

Is this true?

Why the hell are they punishing the cops who have nothing to do with these political games?
What makes a cop any different then a civilian??? Not trying to start anything just asking a simple question.
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What makes a cop any different then a civilian??? Not trying to start anything just asking a simple question.
The expectation to go into harms way every day, and sometimes have it follow you home. Where a civilian may have to deal with some of these idiots from time to time, cops are the ones expected to deal with them all of the time, mostly in a confrontational manner due to the situation.
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Olympic Arms?

I'd be proud never having to carry or try to use one of their muskets.
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Because they are agents of the government, enforcing the laws enacted by the legislators? Legislators ALWAYS use cops/FF as pawns...you know that! Anytime they want a tax increase they say if it doesn't happen, LEO/FF/EMS are first in line for cuts!

ETA: I know the cops don't pick the rules...but ist seems to be all state .gov agencies being punished...and it's not really punishment since they can contract elsewhere. Also, some of the companies doing this are doing it to avoid liability...it's happened before. Agents order something from a website in violation of the law...if said item ships there, they go on the offensive...Remember Tommy? lol

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Olympic Arms?

I'd be proud never having to carry or try to use one of their muskets.
You know, strange how we were thinking the same thing.....
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What makes a cop any different then a civilian??? Not trying to start anything just asking a simple question.
Because when **** is going bad, you don't call ordinary civilians to come as fast as they can to clean it up, you call the cops. Any business that would make an intentional effort to make it more difficult for these officers to equip themselves appropriately just to make a political statement is particularly deplorable, and those cheering them on are essentially happy about the idea of our cops getting ****ed.

I get that many CCWers have made a commitment to act in the face of peril, but police officers have a legal duty to act in the face of peril. They openly put a target on their chest and stand in the fold, the least we can do is ensure they have access to the tools necessary to do so.
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What makes a cop any different then a civilian??? Not trying to start anything just asking a simple question.
Read the above, we are not different but our jobs are.

You should not have different laws as far as magazine capacity and weapon style..
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Because when **** is going bad, you don't call ordinary civilians to come as fast as they can to clean it up, you call the cops. Any business that would make an intentional effort to make it more difficult for these officers to equip themselves appropriately just to make a political statement is particularly deplorable, and those cheering them on are essentially happy about the idea of our cops getting ****ed.

I get that many CCWers have made a commitment to act in the face of peril, but police officers have a legal duty to act in the face of peril. They openly put a target on their chest and stand in the fold, the least we can do is ensure they have access to the tools necessary to do so.
You said it much better than I could.
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The citizens of NY can't have "assault" weapons or mags with more than 7 rds, so the cops and the security for the politicians should have to abide by the same rules. If the justification is that the bad guys aren't following the laws, then why did so many of the NY chiefs (read turn coats) support these laws? They want civilians disarmed so that the people are either victims to criminals or helplessly dependent upon the government for their security. The police are a civilian agency and as such, should have to carry what is deemed good enough for the people. It is not a hit against the police, it is the politicians who are the problem.

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The citizens of NY can't have "assault" weapons or mags with more than 7 rds, so the cops and the security for the politicians should have to abide by the same rules. If the justification is that the bad guys aren't following the laws, then why did so many of the NY chiefs (read turn coats) support these laws? They want civilians disarmed so that the people are either victims to criminals or helplessly dependent upon the government for their security. The police are a civilian agency and as such, should have to carry what is deemed good enough for the people. It is not a hit against the police, it is the politicians who are the problem.

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The police are an arm of the executive branch of the government do you really think politicians will disarm them...also it is the National Guard that will be coming to get you if that ever transpires...
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You know, strange how we were thinking the same thing.....
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As other have said, when LaRue forgoes their DoD contracts for weapons related supplies, then I will respect their decision. Until then, they are bereft of ethics and failing at first order logic.
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Blueiron, Larue hasn't said anything about DoD because the feds haven't enacted such ridiculous laws like NY has. Besides, does Larue even sell anything to the DoD? Midway and CTD have stopped sales to NY LEO agencies as well. Since the people seem to have no voice in NY, perhaps the almighty dollar can be heard.

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For accuracy and clarification, here is the direct quote from LaRue.

www.laruetactical.com/policy-state-and-le-sales

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What makes a cop any different then a civilian??? Not trying to start anything just asking a simple question.
Have you ever chased an armed bank robber, who took a hostage, and then had to be put down while he was trying to carjack another victim?

Have you ever responded to a shooting in progress, then chase an armed suspect through the streets so he doesn't kill someone else, then got into a running gunfight?

Have you ever responded to an active shooter on a school/college campus?

Have ever buried one of your buddies, who was murdered while trying to stop a scumbag from killing people in a local Walmart?

Have you ever visisted a friend in the hospital, after he had his throat cut by a guy who had raped and murdered 3 girls?

Aside from these kind of things, I guess there's not much difference....
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The legislators almost always co-opt police by exempting them, even after they retire.
I will always remember that in the days before the 94 AWB was voted on, the Cleveland swat team did a dog and pony show for the local media. As fully automatic weapons were demonstrated, the VoiceOver said "these are the weapons we want to ban".
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