Brand new g19 with NIB-X is a jamomatic. Anyone else have this problem?

Prometheus77 · 01-12-2013, 15:36

I took out my new g19 with NIB-X coating and it's a mess. failure to feed and failure to eject. Basically every single round.

Not an ammo issue, same rounds were being feed fine thru a SA XD9 as well as a MP5.

I only had two g19 mags out with me, but it was both magazines as well.

Many times, the slide wasn't even traveling far enough to the rear to even cause a high brass issue. Stove pipes from hell... crazy stuff.

Anyone else have a similar experience?

***Gallium*** · 01-12-2013, 15:38

What is NIB-X coating? Is that a Glock factory process?

If no, did you shoot the gun before that process was applied?

If it is a Glock factory process....did you change the recoil spring? Are the mags likewise new? What ammo is it?

conpro · 01-12-2013, 15:57

Sounds like the coating is the problem.

Prometheus77 · 01-12-2013, 16:01

Brand new Gen 3 made in USA gLock. Never fired before today, I bought it with the coating on it.

barth · 01-12-2013, 16:07

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Originally Posted by Prometheus77

I took out my new g19 with NIB-X coating and it's a mess. failure to feed and failure to eject. Basically every single round.

Not an ammo issue, same rounds were being feed fine thru a SA XD9 as well as a MP5.

I only had two g19 mags out with me, but it was both magazines as well.

Many times, the slide wasn't even traveling far enough to the rear to even cause a high brass issue. Stove pipes from hell... crazy stuff.

Anyone else have a similar experience?

I have a Talo EXO gen 3 G27 with Fail Zero Nickel Boron finish.
It's been perfect from NIB with 6000 rounds on the clock.
I believe NIB-X is very similar.
The finish is micro thin and should have nothing to do with operation.
I've never heard of others with nickel boron causing problems with function.

I would think it was reassembled improperly or has defective parts.
If you bought it NIB with NIB-X?
You should still have your Glock warranty.
Send it back to the mother ship.

Prometheus77 · 01-12-2013, 16:08

I've heard and seen some issues with the Gen4's rolling out, I'm not 100% the finish is the issue. Even the extractor doesn't want to allow the brass to slide into place.

bigkrackers · 01-12-2013, 16:08

NiB-X is nickel boron coating. It's the latest craze in finishes from coating slides to BCGs in ARs.

I believe the finish is offered by Glock but can't confirm.

bentbiker · 01-12-2013, 16:13

Did you clean and lube before shooting? Again, what is the ammo -- just because it works in another gun doesn't mean your Glock will like it (e.g. swc bullets). How much experience do you have shooting Glocks?

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Originally Posted by Prometheus77

Even the extractor doesn't want to allow the brass to slide into place.

Did you determine this by hand-cycling cartridges?

barth · 01-12-2013, 16:15

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Originally Posted by Prometheus77

I've heard and seen some issues with the Gen4's rolling out, I'm not 100% the finish is the issue. Even the extractor doesn't want to allow the brass to slide into place.

+1
I didn't even want ask if it's a gen 4 G19....
But that was my first thought.

I think Glock has some sort of agreements with Talo and NIB-X.
To take blocks of NIB Glocks.
Refinish them, repackage them and sell them as NIB guns.

The finish is third party.
But they are still NIB guns with Glock warranties.

At least that's the way my Talo Fail Zero G27 was bought.

Prometheus77 · 01-12-2013, 16:32

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Originally Posted by bentbiker

Did you clean and lube before shooting? Again, what is the ammo -- just because it works in another gun doesn't mean your Glock will like it (e.g. swc bullets). How much experience do you have shooting Glocks?

Did you determine this by hand-cycling cartridges?

I don't think I've ever shot a g19/17 that was ammo picky.

Some WWB and some remington. Not an ammo issue, the remington is all from the same 1,000 lot that hasn't had a problem prior and today I sent 300~ rounds of it down range in an XD9 and a MP5. Zero issues.

Yes to your last two questions.

I'll get a video up in a few.

WT · 01-12-2013, 17:10

1. Cycle the slide by hand at least 1,000 times. The parts burnish, the recoil springs cycle. (You can sit in front of the TV watching NCIS while doing so.)

2. Fully load your brand new magazines and let them sit for 2 weeks. Then unload by hand, reload again.

3. Now your Glock is ready for the range.

You may need to lube the Glock. No more than 4 drops of oil total.
1 drop on barrel
1 drop on slide interior, the forward part.
1/2 drop on each slide rail
1 drop on cruciform

conpro · 01-12-2013, 17:23

Only gen4 i would buy would be the g26 or g27.

Prometheus77 · 01-12-2013, 17:25

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Originally Posted by WT

1. Cycle the slide by hand at least 1,000 times. The parts burnish, the recoil springs cycle. (You can sit in front of the TV watching NCIS while doing so.)

2. Fully load your brand new magazines and let them sit for 2 weeks. Then unload by hand, reload again.

3. Now your Glock is ready for the range.

You're joking right?

It's a gLock, not a Keltec.

WT · 01-12-2013, 17:42

No, I am not joking.

I have been shooting Glocks since before Gaston was born.

New Glock springs are STIFF. They need some breaking in to work reliably.

Besides, the exercise is good for strengthening the wrists and grip.

DaneA · 01-12-2013, 17:43

I saw this problem with a friends nib 19 with a nickel coating. Unfortunately it just took some time to break in. I want to say it was about 500 rounds. The dealer had two of these and one of the owners bought the other one and said they had the same issue. After the break in it has performed flawlessly.

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glockarmor · 01-12-2013, 17:47

Personally I"ve never had to do anything to a new Glock other than load the mag and pull the trigger. I now have two Gen 4s and the same has applied to them.

bentbiker · 01-12-2013, 18:01

P77, you might want to take out the extractor and see just how tight it is in its slot. Would only take a couple minutes. I wouldn't have thought the NiB would add much, but maybe just enough to make it tight like you sensed. If so, I would expect add'l shooting to wear it in.

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Originally Posted by WT

I have been shooting Glocks since before Gaston was born.

I'll have to think about that for a second . . .

WT · 01-12-2013, 18:26

Look at it another way ...

People frequently ask "How many rounds should I fire of XYZ ammo before I can consider my ammo and pistol combination reliable?"

Some will reply "100 rounds of Witch Killer hollowpoints", others "300 rounds of +P+ dragonslayers" and so on.

Well, that can be expensive.

Recycling the slide by hand will not really duplicate the loads and speed 1 on 1 that the pistol will see when actually firing a round. So, the next best thing .... 1,000 cycles by hand which MAY duplicate 300 actual rounds fired.

AND it's not as noisy.

DannyB · 01-12-2013, 23:11

I have a NIB-X G17 that has run flawlessly.

SCSU74 · 01-12-2013, 23:19

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Originally Posted by WT

No, I am not joking.

I have been shooting Glocks since before Gaston was born.

New Glock springs are STIFF. They need some breaking in to work reliably.

Besides, the exercise is good for strengthening the wrists and grip.

No they aren't, and they don't need to be "broken" in. Also, may want to recheck your lube points they're a little off

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WinterWizard · 01-13-2013, 02:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by WT

Look at it another way ...

People frequently ask "How many rounds should I fire of XYZ ammo before I can consider my ammo and pistol combination reliable?"

Some will reply "100 rounds of Witch Killer hollowpoints", others "300 rounds of +P+ dragonslayers" and so on.

Well, that can be expensive.

Recycling the slide by hand will not really duplicate the loads and speed 1 on 1 that the pistol will see when actually firing a round. So, the next best thing .... 1,000 cycles by hand which MAY duplicate 300 actual rounds fired.

AND it's not as noisy.

Dude, no offense, but have you taken your meds today? All your posts are absolutely false and ridiculous.

Seawolf · 01-13-2013, 03:21

Sounds silly, but check the recoil spring and see if it is the latest revision. I think Glock has been through 4 or 5 different spring s on the Gen4 G19 now.

Honestly whoever at Glock thought putting the same spring used on the 40S&W in the 9mm Gen4 guns should be fired. That was the dumbest idea ever. I know they were trying to save money on the production process by keeping all the parts the same, but thinking people would just stop shooting 115grn ammo was stupid.

There was no reason why they couldn't just leave the Gen4 G19/17 as a single spring setup and still had the backstraps, stippling, mag release, etc. They would have saved themselves money in the long run and not had to deal with the bad press they got from all these Gen4 9mm guns flunking out.

If I was going to purchase a G19 right now I would honestly seek out a nice used Gen3 with a couple thousand rounds through it.

**DannyR** · 01-13-2013, 04:17

There are one or two major firearms distributors that send batches of Glocks out for aftermarket finishes. These finishes are not warranted by Glock. If the aftermarket finish is causing issues, it is not Glock's problem.

I suggest you shoot 200 rounds of Winchester 124-gr NATO Spec ammo through your new pistol before you use anymore Remington ammo.

Arc Angel · 01-13-2013, 08:03

A tight extractor could cause the problem you descibe. Hand cycle some rounds through the pistol; or, better yet, disassemble your slide and check how freely the extractor moves inside its cutout. Be careful, though. You do NOT want it too loose. Does the extractor stick? If so, a simple (light) polish job on, 'the flats' should cure the problem for you.

WT · 01-13-2013, 08:04

Well, reading GT I get the impression that half of the new Glocks do not function reliably out of the box, especially the Gen. 4's. Some may be in the 50% population whose Glocks actually work out of the box.

True, some people like to douse their Glocks with oil and smear it with grease. Glocks don't need that. Heck, Chuck Taylor lubed his famous Glock 17 with bovine excrement.

Rather than going to the range and spending big bucks on premium ammo and coming away with the impression that Glocks don't work, I offered a pre-firing regimen which may help to relieve the Glock range constipation which seems to be prevelant among new Glocks.

Another off the wall suggestion - try dry firing. If you don't know what it is I suggest taking the NRA Basic Pistol Course. It is taught there. It works the slide, trigger assembly, mag release, etc. Good stuff.

Relax. Get things loosened up. Push the envelope, think out of the box, shoot for the stars.

Have a nice day.

PS: Critiques should include suggestions for improvements. Anyone can hit and run. Thank you.