[JuneyBooney]

Originally Posted by Fox

The guy is a radical, but they did not bust him for that. What the ATF did was to get the courts to establish a new gun law where all gun owners can go to jail for a malfunctioning firearm.

I had purchased a 1911 from a man and the gun dealer was shooting it to check it out...guess what...it fired multiple rounds. It just happens some times. All it would take is probably a guy ticked off at you to lie or be intimidated and you could go to Fed prison for an defective weapon. I don' know who to believe in this one. The guy looked clean cut enough.

[Sam Spade]

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

Oh, like Joe Paterno

Guess I'm done with you.

[certifiedfunds]

To those who've followed this thead:

I allowed myself to cross the line between spirited debate and obnoxious insult by comparing Sam to Joe Paterno. My comment was uncalled for and ridiculous in premise.

Though we often disagree, I have immense respect for Sam's intellect and perspective. Frankly I considered him a friend here and it disturbs me that I allowed myself to insult him in this manner.

Sam, please accept my apology.

[Sam Spade]

That was gracious, cert.

I accept, and we need speak no more of it.

[certifiedfunds]

I appreciate that Sam.


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[SPIN2010]

Originally Posted by cesaros

Whoever the jurors were, they are freakin' morons.

If you have ever been in a jury selection (I was on a death sentence jury) you cannot believe how correct you are. They weed out the people with a brain asap.

Peers? Is there such a thing these days, and would you really want that. I am not so sure I would if I were in that position.

[countrygun]

Originally Posted by SPIN2010

If you have ever been in a jury selection (I was on a death sentence jury) you cannot believe how correct you are. They weed out the people with a brain asap.

.

Nope, I'm not going to say it.


(BTW, I on one as well, and you are wrong, but, that is a matter of perspective)

[poikilotrm]

I am starting to wonder just how many cops have Ganzer's syndrome. Maybe it is just the subset here, but this seems to be a real problem.

[countrygun]

Originally Posted by poikilotrm

I am starting to wonder just how many cops have Ganzer's syndrome. Maybe it is just the subset here, but this seems to be a real problem.

Shall we examine the pathology of someone who takes thread about illegal machine guns and turns the thread into cop-bashing?

[*ASH*]

Originally Posted by countrygun

Shall we examine the pathology of someone who takes thread about illegal machine guns and turns the thread into cop-bashing?

i kinda think this thread has


citizen bashing
copbashing
and plain ole bashing

which all of it is against tos . and in this thread lots have broke it

[jknight8907]

Originally Posted by *ASH*

i kinda think this thread has


citizen bashing
copbashing
and plain ole bashing

which all of it is against tos . and in this thread lots have broke it

It would be nice if those who have proven they cannot debate without insults and personal attacks could be banned for good. It would make for a much more civil forum, and better discussions.

Sent via teletype

[Ruggles]

Originally Posted by jknight8907

It would be nice if those who have proven they cannot debate without insults and personal attacks could be banned for good. It would make for a much more civil forum, and better discussions.

Sent via teletype

I am sure the 17 people left on GT would be kinda bored then

[*ASH*]

Originally Posted by Ruggles

I am sure the 17 people left on GT would be kinda bored then

[poikilotrm]

Originally Posted by jknight8907

It would be nice if those who have proven they cannot debate without insults and personal attacks could be banned for good. It would make for a much more civil forum, and better discussions.

Sent via teletype

Says the guy who enjoys making ad hominem attacks.

[jknight8907]

Really? What percent of my posts are 'ad hominem attacks', compared to your own record?

[faawrenchbndr]

Others can take a look at your posting & make their minds up for themselves.

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/sear...rchid=12348578


I have no dog in this fight. The OP's thread topic was worded to be
a bit of a "trolling thread" anyway. Knew this one would have it's share
of bickering, name calling and flat out whining, typical Lounge thread.

[wally05]

Whew, I remember why I quit posting on this forum. but, while looking for more info on our new issue gen 4 G23s, I came across this thread.

Local Police (state troopers down to local patrol officers) serving to enforce state laws are not held by any means to enforce the code of federal regs aka "federal laws" just like the FBI and such cannot enforce state laws. Example, a fed agent has no authority to enforce speed limits or other local statutes... he would have to get with a local officer to pull someone over for a violation. The only exceptions are in state's like Ohio or VA that may have federal uniformed/083 officers with local roads passing through or past base and the state statutes are written to give those officers authority to enforce specific statutes like speed laws. But, the STATE allows that to happen, not the fed gov't.

My oath, as many others, talked about upholding the constitution, which means upholding the COTUS by protecting the rights of the people. It doesn't mean we enforce federal laws. Anyone trying to say the COTUS is federal law is reaching and isn't worthy of a debate.

I think you'll find through research that fed LE are actually fairly limited in what they can do and without local le support, they can be dead in the water. It's not like in the movies where it seems like the FBI is God's law enforcement and can go and do whatever. If local LE feel like the feds are overreaching and won't support them... good luck to fed gov't b/c local LE outnumber them by a lot and do a lot of work for them.

If you're anti-authority, don't call the cops... answer your own damn alarm calls and violent crimes.

[Ruggles]

"If you're anti-authority, don't call the cops... answer your own damn alarm calls and violent crimes."

Sounds reasonable to me.

Of course most who this applies too will say "I would handle it myself anyways" in typical internet bravado. Wonder how many would back that up in real life?

[CAcop]

Originally Posted by wally05

Whew, I remember why I quit posting on this forum. but, while looking for more info on our new issue gen 4 G23s, I came across this thread.

Local Police (state troopers down to local patrol officers) serving to enforce state laws are not held by any means to enforce the code of federal regs aka "federal laws" just like the FBI and such cannot enforce state laws. Example, a fed agent has no authority to enforce speed limits or other local statutes... he would have to get with a local officer to pull someone over for a violation. The only exceptions are in state's like Ohio or VA that may have federal uniformed/083 officers with local roads passing through or past base and the state statutes are written to give those officers authority to enforce specific statutes like speed laws. But, the STATE allows that to happen, not the fed gov't.

My oath, as many others, talked about upholding the constitution, which means upholding the COTUS by protecting the rights of the people. It doesn't mean we enforce federal laws. Anyone trying to say the COTUS is federal law is reaching and isn't worthy of a debate.

I think you'll find through research that fed LE are actually fairly limited in what they can do and without local le support, they can be dead in the water. It's not like in the movies where it seems like the FBI is God's law enforcement and can go and do whatever. If local LE feel like the feds are overreaching and won't support them... good luck to fed gov't b/c local LE outnumber them by a lot and do a lot of work for them.

If you're anti-authority, don't call the cops... answer your own damn alarm calls and violent crimes.

That's why feds like JTFs. We can pull dealers or terrorists over for tailights out, they can send people to prison for a long periods of time or even out of the country.

We have an ICE guy who comes in an researches our gang members to offer them the chance to flip and stay or get deported. Unfortunately we don't have as many non native gang members to do what we would like.

[CAcop]

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

This happened near where my parents live.

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ci_...uzsentinel.com

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/loc...uzsentinel.com

Note this is the police department asking to raise the speed limit so they can write tickets.

Do you have "speed trap" defined in your state's vehicle code?

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d17/vc40802.htm

Speed Traps

40802. (a) A "speed trap" is either of the following:


(1) A particular section of a highway measured as to distance and with boundaries marked, designated, or otherwise determined in order that the speed of a vehicle may be calculated by securing the time it takes the vehicle to travel the known distance.

(2) A particular section of a highway with a prima facie speed limit that is provided by this code or by local ordinance under subparagraph (A) of paragraph (2) of subdivision (a) of Section 22352, or established under Section 22354, 22357, 22358, or 22358.3, if that prima facie speed limit is not justified by an engineering and traffic survey conducted within five years prior to the date of the alleged violation, and enforcement of the speed limit involves the use of radar or any other electronic device that measures the speed of moving objects. This paragraph does not apply to a local street, road, or school zone.

(b) (1) For purposes of this section, a local street or road is one that is functionally classified as “local” on the “California Road System Maps,” that are approved by the Federal Highway Administration and maintained by the Department of Transportation. When a street or road does not appear on the “California Road System Maps,” it may be defined as a “local street or road” if it primarily provides access to abutting residential property and meets the following three conditions:

(A) Roadway width of not more than 40 feet.

(B) Not more than one-half of a mile of uninterrupted length. Interruptions shall include official traffic control signals as defined in Section 445.

(C) Not more than one traffic lane in each direction.

(2) For purposes of this section "school zone" means that area approaching or passing a school building or the grounds thereof that is contiguous to a highway and on which is posted a standard "SCHOOL" warning sign, while children are going to or leaving the school either during school hours or during the noon recess period. "School zone" also includes the area approaching or passing any school grounds that are not separated from the highway by a fence, gate, or other physical barrier while the grounds are in use by children if that highway is posted with a standard "SCHOOL" warning sign.

(c) (1) When all of the following criteria are met, paragraph (2) of this subdivision shall be applicable and subdivision (a) shall not be applicable:

(A) When radar is used, the arresting officer has successfully completed a radar operator course of not less than 24 hours on the use of police traffic radar, and the course was approved and certified by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training.

(B) When laser or any other electronic device is used to measure the speed of moving objects, the arresting officer has successfully completed the training required in subparagraph (A) and an additional training course of not less than two hours approved and certified by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training.

(C) (i) The prosecution proved that the arresting officer complied with subparagraphs (A) and (B) and that an engineering and traffic survey has been conducted in accordance with subparagraph (B) of paragraph (2). The prosecution proved that, prior to the officer issuing the notice to appear, the arresting officer established that the radar, laser, or other electronic device conformed to the requirements of subparagraph (D).

(ii) The prosecution proved the speed of the accused was unsafe for the conditions present at the time of alleged violation unless the citation was for a violation of Section 22349, 22356, or 22406.

(D) The radar, laser, or other electronic device used to measure the speed of the accused meets or exceeds the minimal operational standards of the National Traffic Highway Safety Administration, and has been calibrated within the three years prior to the date of the alleged violation by an independent certified laser or radar repair and testing or calibration facility.

(2) A "speed trap" is either of the following:

(A) A particular section of a highway measured as to distance and with boundaries marked, designated, or otherwise determined in order that the speed of a vehicle may be calculated by securing the time it takes the vehicle to travel the known distance.

(B) (i) A particular section of a highway or state highway with a prima facie speed limit that is provided by this code or by local ordinance under subparagraph (A) of paragraph (2) of subdivision (a) of Section 22352, or established under Section 22354, 22357, 22358, or 22358.3, if that prima facie speed limit is not justified by an engineering and traffic survey conducted within one of the following time periods, prior to the date of the alleged violation, and enforcement of the speed limit involves the use of radar or any other electronic device that measures the speed of moving objects:

(I) Except as specified in subclause (II), seven years.

(II) If an engineering and traffic survey was conducted more than seven years prior to the date of the alleged violation, and a registered engineer evaluates the section of the highway and determines that no significant changes in roadway or traffic conditions have occurred, including, but not limited to, changes in adjoining property or land use, roadway width, or traffic volume, 10 years.

(ii) This subparagraph does not apply to a local street, road, or school zone.


Oh, and by the way CHP could not use radar until a few years ago. They were prohibited by law.

[CAcop]

This is a reader digest version of why CA sets limits the way it does and how it can be done legally. Sometimes you have to raise speed limits in this state to be able to write tickets.

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/loc...uzsentinel.com

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/loc...uzsentinel.com

[Kingarthurhk]

Originally Posted by wally05

If you're anti-authority, don't call the cops... answer your own damn alarm calls and violent crimes.

Even Bill Ayers calls the police, even though he tried to murder and them and blow them up.

The anti-authority will be the first to put their pudgy fingers on the 9-1-1 when it breaks bad.

They also want all the benefits that everyone else's taxes pay for, without paying them. I think they have that in common with illegal aliens.

[certifiedfunds]

Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk

Even Bill Ayers calls the police, even though he tried to murder and them and blow them up.

The anti-authority will be the first to put their pudgy fingers on the 9-1-1 when it breaks bad.

They also want all the benefits that everyone else's taxes pay for, without paying them. I think they have that in common with illegal aliens.

We don't have a choice but to call the cops. Certain things they have a monopoly on.

To protect me? No.

But if something breaks bad in my house they need to take the report.

Also we pay for them.


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[certifiedfunds]

Originally Posted by CAcop

This happened near where my parents live.

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ci_...uzsentinel.com

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/loc...uzsentinel.com

Note this is the police department asking to raise the speed limit so they can write tickets.

Do you have "speed trap" defined in your state's vehicle code?

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d17/vc40802.htm

Speed Traps

40802. (a) A "speed trap" is either of the following:


(1) A particular section of a highway measured as to distance and with boundaries marked, designated, or otherwise determined in order that the speed of a vehicle may be calculated by securing the time it takes the vehicle to travel the known distance.

(2) A particular section of a highway with a prima facie speed limit that is provided by this code or by local ordinance under subparagraph (A) of paragraph (2) of subdivision (a) of Section 22352, or established under Section 22354, 22357, 22358, or 22358.3, if that prima facie speed limit is not justified by an engineering and traffic survey conducted within five years prior to the date of the alleged violation, and enforcement of the speed limit involves the use of radar or any other electronic device that measures the speed of moving objects. This paragraph does not apply to a local street, road, or school zone.

(b) (1) For purposes of this section, a local street or road is one that is functionally classified as “local” on the “California Road System Maps,” that are approved by the Federal Highway Administration and maintained by the Department of Transportation. When a street or road does not appear on the “California Road System Maps,” it may be defined as a “local street or road” if it primarily provides access to abutting residential property and meets the following three conditions:

(A) Roadway width of not more than 40 feet.

(B) Not more than one-half of a mile of uninterrupted length. Interruptions shall include official traffic control signals as defined in Section 445.

(C) Not more than one traffic lane in each direction.

(2) For purposes of this section "school zone" means that area approaching or passing a school building or the grounds thereof that is contiguous to a highway and on which is posted a standard "SCHOOL" warning sign, while children are going to or leaving the school either during school hours or during the noon recess period. "School zone" also includes the area approaching or passing any school grounds that are not separated from the highway by a fence, gate, or other physical barrier while the grounds are in use by children if that highway is posted with a standard "SCHOOL" warning sign.

(c) (1) When all of the following criteria are met, paragraph (2) of this subdivision shall be applicable and subdivision (a) shall not be applicable:

(A) When radar is used, the arresting officer has successfully completed a radar operator course of not less than 24 hours on the use of police traffic radar, and the course was approved and certified by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training.

(B) When laser or any other electronic device is used to measure the speed of moving objects, the arresting officer has successfully completed the training required in subparagraph (A) and an additional training course of not less than two hours approved and certified by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training.

(C) (i) The prosecution proved that the arresting officer complied with subparagraphs (A) and (B) and that an engineering and traffic survey has been conducted in accordance with subparagraph (B) of paragraph (2). The prosecution proved that, prior to the officer issuing the notice to appear, the arresting officer established that the radar, laser, or other electronic device conformed to the requirements of subparagraph (D).

(ii) The prosecution proved the speed of the accused was unsafe for the conditions present at the time of alleged violation unless the citation was for a violation of Section 22349, 22356, or 22406.

(D) The radar, laser, or other electronic device used to measure the speed of the accused meets or exceeds the minimal operational standards of the National Traffic Highway Safety Administration, and has been calibrated within the three years prior to the date of the alleged violation by an independent certified laser or radar repair and testing or calibration facility.

(2) A "speed trap" is either of the following:

(A) A particular section of a highway measured as to distance and with boundaries marked, designated, or otherwise determined in order that the speed of a vehicle may be calculated by securing the time it takes the vehicle to travel the known distance.

(B) (i) A particular section of a highway or state highway with a prima facie speed limit that is provided by this code or by local ordinance under subparagraph (A) of paragraph (2) of subdivision (a) of Section 22352, or established under Section 22354, 22357, 22358, or 22358.3, if that prima facie speed limit is not justified by an engineering and traffic survey conducted within one of the following time periods, prior to the date of the alleged violation, and enforcement of the speed limit involves the use of radar or any other electronic device that measures the speed of moving objects:

(I) Except as specified in subclause (II), seven years.

(II) If an engineering and traffic survey was conducted more than seven years prior to the date of the alleged violation, and a registered engineer evaluates the section of the highway and determines that no significant changes in roadway or traffic conditions have occurred, including, but not limited to, changes in adjoining property or land use, roadway width, or traffic volume, 10 years.

(ii) This subparagraph does not apply to a local street, road, or school zone.


Oh, and by the way CHP could not use radar until a few years ago. They were prohibited by law.

Errrr, code laws speed limits are all set politically. That's a sime fact.


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[TBO]

The butt hurt is strong.

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