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02-12-2013, 20:56
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#101
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Location: Ventura County, CA
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I'm grateful they got him.
Thanks to all involved, particularly those who gave all, and to their families.
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02-12-2013, 20:59
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#102
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Hook 'Em Up
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: TX
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Legally speaking It doesn't really matter if the fire started because cops pumped CS canisters and flashbangs in the house, or if they doused it in gas and lit a match themselves.
He murdered at least 5 people. The cops had been in a sustained gunfight with him, he was reasonably believed to be in possession of a .50 cal rifle, and was a continuing threat.
Deadly force is deadly force. If its authorized, it doesn't matter if you use a hammer, a handgun, or a house fire.
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02-12-2013, 21:07
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#103
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Arizona
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Foxnews saying body pulled out of the cabin confirmed to be Dorner.
Anyone have archived radio traffic?
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02-12-2013, 21:07
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#104
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Minnesota
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Prayers for the LE and victims, good riddance to that POS
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02-12-2013, 21:07
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#105
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Midwest
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Andrew Smith, Commander, LAPD:
"The cabin is too hot to search. Any reports that a body has been removed from the cabin are not true. Any reports that the body has been identified are NOT true. We will maintain our high-profile security detail for our officers until we are 100% that we have identified Christopher Dorner."
"Until Mr. Dorner is identified as deceased or is in handcuffs in the county jail, we will continue to treat things as if he is still out there."
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02-12-2013, 21:09
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#106
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Arizona
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Top_Shot_31
Andrew Smith, Commander, LAPD:
"The cabin is too hot to search. Any reports that a body has been removed from the cabin are not true. Any reports that the body has been identified are NOT true. We will maintain our high-profile security detail for our officers until we are 100% that we have identified Christopher Dorner."
"Until Mr. Dorner is identified as deceased or is in handcuffs in the county jail, we will continue to treat things as if he is still out there."
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Someone needs to consult Capt Janks.
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02-12-2013, 21:12
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#107
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Lifetime Newbie
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 2,472
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Quote:
Originally Posted by txleapd
Legally speaking It doesn't really matter if the fire started because cops pumped CS canisters and flashbangs in the house, or if they doused it in gas and lit a match themselves.
He murdered at least 5 people. The cops had been in a sustained gunfight with him, he was reasonably believed to be in possession of a .50 cal rifle, and was a continuing threat.
Deadly force is deadly force. If its authorized, it doesn't matter if you use a hammer, a handgun, or a house fire.
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02-12-2013, 23:13
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#108
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 104
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Quote:
Originally Posted by w01
Prayers for victims & families
CBS, CNN & AP reporting that body removed from cabin is thought to be that of dorner. LA mayor tells telemundo "it's over" LAPD schedules news conference for 11 PM EST.
good riddance pos
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And as reported by Top Shot 31, now they are reporting the body has not been removed or confirmed
http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/12/us/lap...html?hpt=hp_t1
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02-13-2013, 00:32
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#109
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Juris Glocktor
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Out the frying pan & into the fire!
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Originally Posted by cowboywannabe
he has hostages...this will be drawn out.
he needs to be killed.
california does have have a death penalty, justice can only come from the barrel of a gun.
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CA's death penalty is carried out over decades and you die of old age.
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02-13-2013, 02:37
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#110
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Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Robertsville, MO
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CNN reporting that some unidentified burnt BBQ found in burned out cabin.
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/12...ted/?hpt=hp_t1
I say top it with BBQ sauce and let the animals take care of the trash.
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02-13-2013, 05:45
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#111
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Member
Join Date: Oct 2012
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Rip chris dorner- rot in pieces- he was the epitome of all the reasons to do away with set asides, preferences, and AA.
The world suddenly got a little better.
Maybe there is still a little justice left in the world.
My prayers to victims and wounded and families
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02-13-2013, 06:11
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#112
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No Infidels!
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Circling the wagons.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by txleapd
Legally speaking It doesn't really matter if the fire started because cops pumped CS canisters and flashbangs in the house, or if they doused it in gas and lit a match themselves.
He murdered at least 5 people. The cops had been in a sustained gunfight with him, he was reasonably believed to be in possession of a .50 cal rifle, and was a continuing threat.
Deadly force is deadly force. If its authorized, it doesn't matter if you use a hammer, a handgun, or a house fire.
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Exactly. **** him. His ass was bought and paid for.
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02-13-2013, 08:31
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#113
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CLM Number 120
Mr. CISSP, CISA
Join Date: Jan 2004
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Quote:
Originally Posted by txleapd
Legally speaking It doesn't really matter if the fire started because cops pumped CS canisters and flashbangs in the house, or if they doused it in gas and lit a match themselves.
He murdered at least 5 people. The cops had been in a sustained gunfight with him, he was reasonably believed to be in possession of a .50 cal rifle, and was a continuing threat.
Deadly force is deadly force. If its authorized, it doesn't matter if you use a hammer, a handgun, or a house fire.
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Although I think he is guilty and deserves to die after due process......
I find it interesting that you have already convicted him. And have no problems with the police executing him in a ball of fire.
So lets twist the situation, lets say he was Pro-gun, pro-republican, Tea party supporter and had decent evidence of wrong doing in the gov.....do you believe that it would be correct to execute him by burning this house? Do you believe the media would give fair and unbiased coverage?
Or are you saying that the US Gov is not able to control situations to send innocent people to jail?
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02-13-2013, 08:41
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#114
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CLM Number 122
Why so serious?
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: NRA Life Member
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I think someone's cheese has slid off their cracker.
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Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?
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02-13-2013, 08:42
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#115
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RWBlue
Although I think he is guilty and deserves to die after due process......
I find it interesting that you have already convicted him. And have no problems with the police executing him in a ball of fire.
So lets twist the situation, lets say he was Pro-gun, pro-republican, Tea party supporter and had decent evidence of wrong doing in the gov.....do you believe that it would be correct to execute him by burning this house? Do you believe the media would give fair and unbiased coverage?
Or are you saying that the US Gov is not able to control situations to send innocent people to jail?
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Please tell me you're not serious. They were actively in a shootout with him, how much more justified does deadly force get?
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02-13-2013, 08:47
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#116
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Heavy Mettle
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Ohio
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While I do take issue with the possibility of using a drone to neutralize a nonmilitary target, and especially without due process... In this running battle, he already wounded one, and killed yet another Officer trying to apprehend him.
I do not believe that he gets a time out if he gets back to home base, and hypothetical political beliefs, race, or whatever has nothing to do with it. Although I was not there, using CS/CN to make it very uncomfortable for him to maintain the standoff, is perfectly acceptable. Setting the cabin afire could have been an unintended consequence, or something Dorner facilitated knowing he would be caught.
Dorner, made a whole series of bad choices getting to that point, so I am not shedding a tear (pun intended) about it.
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02-13-2013, 08:57
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#117
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Pretty Ladies!
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Lexington, KY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RWBlue
Although I think he is guilty and deserves to die after due process......
Blaah, blaah, blaah. My tinfoil hat is too tight.
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And so the "Wacoization" of Chris Dorner begins...
He was actively involved in a shootout. He had made his intention to not be taken alive publicly and abundantly clear. At this point the exact manner in which the fire started is unknown and-
You know what? Screw it. If you're looking for a conspiracy, you're going to find one and neither facts nor logic will persuade you otherwise. Go play in GNG, 
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02-13-2013, 08:59
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#118
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Moderator
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Central Virginia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RWBlue
So lets twist the situation, lets say he was Pro-gun, pro-republican, Tea party supporter and had decent evidence of wrong doing in the gov.
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You forgot the prior murders, prior attempted murder, the murder of one deputy at the scene, the attempted murder of another deputy at the scene, and the ongoing exchange, exchange of gunfire as qualifiers.
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Freedom has a taste to those who fight and almost die, that the protected will never know.
Kind of like on the internet forums - People continually flip someone off who they know is obligated to not break the rules in response. Yeah, usually that type of stupidity eventually yields the rewards that are earned.
And then there are those trying so hard to be offended that they're imagining things that haven't even been said in a thread.
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02-13-2013, 09:00
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#119
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Semper Paratus
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 13,470
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RWBlue
Although I think he is guilty and deserves to die after due process......
I find it interesting that you have already convicted him. And have no problems with the police executing him in a ball of fire.
So lets twist the situation, lets say he was Pro-gun, pro-republican, Tea party supporter and had decent evidence of wrong doing in the gov.....do you believe that it would be correct to execute him by burning this house? Do you believe the media would give fair and unbiased coverage?
Or are you saying that the US Gov is not able to control situations to send innocent people to jail?
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He was not executed in a ball of fire, he could have placed his weapons down and walked out.
Is that a difficult concept for you to understand.
You can twist the facts any way you want,an escape route was left for him to walk out, he chose not to.
He was involved in a prolonged shootout from inside that cabin firing a fully automatic weapon.
How would you have handled it, me Im launching CS/CN burners into that place to force him out, or he can stay and seal his own fate, barricaded gunman 101....
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02-13-2013, 09:00
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#120
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CLM Number 122
Why so serious?
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: NRA Life Member
Posts: 40,589
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Ignore, not forget.
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"If you have integrity, nothing else matters. If you don't have integrity, nothing else matters".
"A person who won't read has no advantage over one who can't read."
Originally Posted by Rooster Rugburn:
Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?
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02-13-2013, 09:10
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#121
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Moderator
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Central Virginia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by razdog76
While I do take issue with the possibility of using a drone to neutralize a nonmilitary target, and especially without due process...
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That is debunked in another thread. 
Besides, a Spectre gunship is much more precise. The cabin would become matchsticks. Collateral damage in that situation would be minimized compared to a missile strike.
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Freedom has a taste to those who fight and almost die, that the protected will never know.
Kind of like on the internet forums - People continually flip someone off who they know is obligated to not break the rules in response. Yeah, usually that type of stupidity eventually yields the rewards that are earned.
And then there are those trying so hard to be offended that they're imagining things that haven't even been said in a thread.
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02-13-2013, 09:13
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Way too busy
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Central Ohio
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Did you guys know that 9/11 had to have been an inside job? There's absolutely no possible way that the intense heat of burning jet fuel could have expanded the steel supports enough to warp them and cause them to fail, there *MUST* have been US Government planted bombs inside!
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They made bad choices and expect us to pay the price? I don't think so, Tim.
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02-13-2013, 09:23
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#123
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Member
Join Date: Oct 2012
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I dont buy the Wacoization of Dorner crapola for a minute. Huge differences between being railroaded by an overzealous federal agency for political goals and killing innocent people from ambush in cold blood.
If Dorner had a beef he should have had Sharpton, Jackson, Jamie Foxx or their savior Obama intercede on his behalf!
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02-13-2013, 09:28
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#124
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CLM Number 122
Why so serious?
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: NRA Life Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Annoyinglylongname
I dont buy the Wacoization of Dorner crapola for a minute. Huge differences between being railroaded by an overzealous federal agency for political goals and killing innocent people from ambush in cold blood.
If Dorner had a beef he should have had Sharpton, Jackson, Jamie Foxx or their savior Obama intercede on his behalf!
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He doesn't need them, he's got a ton of biased/haters.
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"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened."
"If you have integrity, nothing else matters. If you don't have integrity, nothing else matters".
"A person who won't read has no advantage over one who can't read."
Originally Posted by Rooster Rugburn:
Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?
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02-13-2013, 09:30
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#125
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dukeboy01
And so the "Wacoization" of Chris Dorner begins...
He was actively involved in a shootout. He had made his intention to not be taken alive publicly and abundantly clear. At this point the exact manner in which the fire started is unknown and-
You know what? Screw it. If you're looking for a conspiracy, you're going to find one and neither facts nor logic will persuade you otherwise. Go play in GNG, |
Police scanners sound as if swat started it
http://m.youtube.com/?client=mv-google&rdm=mhvbxag2
At 1 minute they ref the burn
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