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Old 08-18-2012, 09:15   #1
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Hollow points?

I've searched the threads and couldn't find anything.....

I've noticed there are a lot of different hollow points out there. What would be the best or the most common preference be. Just looking to have somethig good for home defence and of course somethig for when I start to carry. Any input would be nice.
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Old 08-18-2012, 09:33   #2
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Speer Gold Dot is one of the most popular and Hornaday Critical Defense too
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Old 08-18-2012, 11:02   #3
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I recommend the modern bullet designs used by main stream law enforcement made by the major ammo manufacturers: Federal HST, Winchester Ranger T, Speer Gold Dot, and Remington Golden Saber. I carry the Federal HST in all the pistol calibers I use. Bill
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Old 08-18-2012, 11:33   #4
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It's hard to go wrong with Federal HST. Speer Gold Dots are good as well.
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Old 08-18-2012, 18:28   #5
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Also Winchester PDX1 a FBI favorite.
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Old 08-19-2012, 00:39   #6
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Another vote for the Federal HST.
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I use Federal HST, Hornaday Tap, and Critical Defense.
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Old 08-19-2012, 10:35   #8
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The reason you're getting so many answers is that there isn't much difference in modern premium ammunition. (Eventually GD or Ranger will pull ahead in the thread, based largely on the effectiveness of their advertising.)

Doc Gary Roberts has made it simpler---he's tested and seen the results of more ammunition than any three posters in this thread (any two if Mas Ayoob chimes in). He doesn't bother to rank or assign values to loads. Instead, he provides a list of loads in the common calibers that get the job done well. Pick anything off his list, make sure it feeds and use the time you would have spent worrying in training instead.

I'd give you the lists, but you don't specify gun/caliber. So go google "Doc GKR ammo oracle" and pick what's applicable to you.
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Old 08-19-2012, 12:54   #9
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The reason you're getting so many answers is that there isn't much difference in modern premium ammunition. (Eventually GD or Ranger will pull ahead in the thread, based largely on the effectiveness of their advertising.)

Doc Gary Roberts has made it simpler---he's tested and seen the results of more ammunition than any three posters in this thread (any two if Mas Ayoob chimes in). He doesn't bother to rank or assign values to loads. Instead, he provides a list of loads in the common calibers that get the job done well. Pick anything off his list, make sure it feeds and use the time you would have spent worrying in training instead.

I'd give you the lists, but you don't specify gun/caliber. So go google "Doc GKR ammo oracle" and pick what's applicable to you.
Thanks.. I'll check it out. I'm looking for 9mm tho. Just got a glock 19
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Old 08-19-2012, 16:31   #10
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From http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_De.../index.htm#9mm



If you take all of these criteria into account, the lists should come as no surprise. Please note that all of the recommended pistol loads listed below have been personally tested and vetted by Dr. Roberts. THEY ARE NOT IN ORDER OF PERFORMANCE, SO ANY BULLET ON THE LIST IS CONSIDERED ACCEPTABLE.
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Barnes XPB 115gr HP (35515) such as loaded by Cor-Bon (DPX09115)
Winchester Partition Gold 124gr JHP** (RA91P)
Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP** (RA9124TP)
Winchester Ranger Bonded 124 gr +P JHP (RA9BA)
Winchester Ranger-T 127gr JHP +P+** (RA9TA)
Winchester Ranger-T 147gr JHP** (RA9T)
Winchester Bonded 147gr JHP** (RA9B/Q4364)
Speer Gold Dor 124gr JHP
Speer Gold Dot 124gr JHP +P** (53617)
Speer Gold Dot 147gr JHP** (53619)
Remington Golden Saber 124 gr +P JHP bonded (GSB9MMD)
Remington Golden Saber 147gr JHP (GS9MMC)
Federal Tactical 124gr JHP** (LE9T1)
Federal Tactical 135gr JHP +P** (LE9T5)
Federal HST 147gr JHP** (P9HST2)
Federal HST 124gr JHP +P (P9HST3)
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Old 08-20-2012, 13:43   #11
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From http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_De.../index.htm#9mm



If you take all of these criteria into account, the lists should come as no surprise. Please note that all of the recommended pistol loads listed below have been personally tested and vetted by Dr. Roberts. THEY ARE NOT IN ORDER OF PERFORMANCE, SO ANY BULLET ON THE LIST IS CONSIDERED ACCEPTABLE.
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Barnes XPB 115gr HP (35515) such as loaded by Cor-Bon (DPX09115)
Winchester Partition Gold 124gr JHP** (RA91P)
Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP** (RA9124TP)
Winchester Ranger Bonded 124 gr +P JHP (RA9BA)
Winchester Ranger-T 127gr JHP +P+** (RA9TA)
Winchester Ranger-T 147gr JHP** (RA9T)
Winchester Bonded 147gr JHP** (RA9B/Q4364)
Speer Gold Dor 124gr JHP
Speer Gold Dot 124gr JHP +P** (53617)
Speer Gold Dot 147gr JHP** (53619)
Remington Golden Saber 124 gr +P JHP bonded (GSB9MMD)
Remington Golden Saber 147gr JHP (GS9MMC)
Federal Tactical 124gr JHP** (LE9T1)
Federal Tactical 135gr JHP +P** (LE9T5)
Federal HST 147gr JHP** (P9HST2)
Federal HST 124gr JHP +P (P9HST3)
I think someone mentioned that you should fire the rounds to make sure that your gun eats them without jamming, and fires with good accuracy.

Then, you should consider how well YOU shoot a particular one.

This can be an expensive process because good HP ammo runs around $1/round, and you need to run a lot of rounds in your testing. I don't know how many is enough, but maybe someone here can offer a minimum quantity needed to test feeding.
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Old 08-22-2012, 18:56   #12
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I am using Remington Golden Saber 124gr standard pressure. I like BIG holes in my hollow points. That being said, I also started using Hornady TAP in 124gr standard pressure, and really like it. I think the 124gr standard pressure shoots point-of-aim/point-of-impact better than any other weight out of a Glock19. Another bonus with Hornady is that they come 25 to a pack, no just 20 like most premium JHP. That means 2 boxes fill your gun and the two spare mags with 4 left over. The really nice thing about it all is that any big name JHP is probably going to perform as advertised, and the Glock 19 is so reliable, I can't find something it won't shoot. Try out a couple different types and pick the one that you like best based on PIA/POI, recoil, flash, price and maybe most importantly...AVAILABILITY.
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Old 08-22-2012, 21:10   #13
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I carry Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P in my G19.
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Old 08-22-2012, 21:17   #14
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Eventually GD or Ranger will pull ahead in the thread, based largely on the effectiveness of their advertising.
I can't remember the last time I've actually seen advertising for GD. Hornady is probably the most effective in their advertising, that or Winchester with their PDX line up. At least in my area. None of my local shops or big box stores even stock the GD 9mm +P 124gr.
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Old 08-23-2012, 18:30   #15
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Buy a box of 2 or 3 different S\D ammo and run it threw you gun to see how it handles. I went with speer gold dot over dpx because the recoil on my G21 felt better. I than ran 2 more boxes of gold dot to make sure they feed reliably. It's expensive, but I'm betting my life on them, so I want to make sure it works.
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These folks always carry a great selection of the best ammo at excellent prices: http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/pistol...ition/9mm-9x19
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These folks always carry a great selection of the best ammo at excellent prices: http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/pistol...ition/9mm-9x19
I've found SGAmmo to have the best prices when I shopped them 3 weeks ago.
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I tend to gravitate to bonded rounds. Speer makes the Gold Dot, and Winchester makes the PDX1. Better barrier penetration with zero jacket separation. They both offer GREAT expansion in just about all calibers and I always carry the PDX1 in .40 S&W in my G23. I also look for something that has a low muzzle flash so the first shot doesn't ruin my "purple vision" when shooting at night. The PDX1 seems to be great at that.

If you want to actually see backyard-ballistics tests, I'm going to suggest tnoutdoors9. He does a TON of tests with a BUNCH of rounds in a BUNCH of calibers. His older tests are in wet-pack, but his SIMTEST media shows a TON of info about expansion and stretch cavities. He is very thorough and smart about how he does his tests. I watched ALL of his videos trying to decide what I wanted to carry...
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Temporary 'stretch' cavities caused by semi-auto pistol calibers are not statistically significant in the capability of a round to damage human organs.

http://www.firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi-hwfe.pdf
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If you want to actually see backyard-ballistics tests, I'm going to suggest tnoutdoors9.
Ya.. Watch his videos all the time.

Right now I'm using Hordany Critical Duty
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Old 08-28-2012, 20:37   #21
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Most important of all is putting those Hollow Points in a location where they can do what they were designed to do. Remember you can't miss fast enough to win a gun fight.
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Most important of all is putting those Hollow Points in a location where they can do what they were designed to do. Remember you can't miss fast enough to win a gun fight.
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I would look for ammo that is street proven. ie: used by law enforcement

Speer Gold dot 9mm 124gr +p and reg, comes to mind. there are several others out there also.

With that being said, it doesn't make much difference on the ammo if one can not hit what they are aiming at.

If you look in the very first group of the forum and find the self defense section by Massad Ayoob, read thru it , he has several posts as street proven ammo by LE .

Hit what you shoot at, most good Hollow point ammo now days is up to the task.


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I second that always, use what you can handle, if your the patient type, learn to reload & make your own. I enjoy that a lot..
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These folks always carry a great selection of the best ammo at excellent prices: http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/pistol...ition/9mm-9x19
I placed an order for some .40 from there.
I was surprised to see no Corbon listed.
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