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02-11-2013, 19:19
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Magpul's Open Letter to Colorado
http://gunssavelives.net/blog/magpul...-jobs-with-us/
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Magpul’s Open Letter to CO Lawmakers – Pass Gun Control, We Leave & Take Our Jobs With Us
Magpul, the maker of one of the most popular AR-15 magazines, the PMAG, along with other AR-15 accessories has posted an open letter to their customers and Colorado lawmakers.
The company basically says if CO passes a proposed law that would ban magazines over 10 rounds in capacity, they would be forced to move their operation to another state in order to stay in operation.
In doing so the company would be taking their tax dollars and hundreds if not thousands of jobs with them (once you take sub-contractors into account).
Bravo Magpul, bravo. They join several companies who have taken a stand recently. This includes LaRue Tactical, who recently announced they would no longer sell rifles to state and local agencies that don’t allow citizens to own those same rifles.
Here is the full letter form Magpul, as posted on their Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/magpul/posts/428803833863947
In addition to the national battle to protect our firearms rights, many states are currently engaged in their own fights. Here in CO, a state with a strong heritage of firearm and other personal freedoms, we are facing some extreme challenges to firearms rights. We have been engaged in dialogue with legislators here presenting our arguments to stop legislation from even being introduced, but our efforts did not deter those of extreme views.
After the NRAs visit last week, several anti-freedom bills were introduced by CO legislators, and a very aggressive timeline has been set forth in moving these bills forward.
The bills include:
HB 1229, Background checks for Gun Transfers--a measure to prohibit private sales between CO residents, and instead require a full FFL transfer, including a 4473.
HB 1228, Payment for Background Checks for Gun Transfers-- a measure that would require CO residents to pay for the back logged state-run CBI system (currently taking 3 times the federally mandated wait time for checks to occur) instead of using the free federal NICS checks.
And finally, HB 1224, Prohibiting Large Capacity Ammunition Magazines--a measure that bans the possession, sale, or transfer of magazines over 10 round capacity. The measures and stipulations in this bill would deprive CO residents of the value of their private property by prohibiting the sale or transfer of all magazines over 10 rounds. This bill would also prohibit manufacture of magazines greater than 10 rounds for commercial sale out of the state, and place restrictions on the manufacture of military and law enforcement magazines that would cripple production.
We'd like to ask all CO residents to please contact your state legislators and the members of the Judiciary Committee and urge them to kill these measures in committee, and to vote NO if they reach the floor.
We also ask you to show your support for the 2nd Amendment at the Capitol on Tuesday, Feb 12, for the magazine ban committee hearing and Wednesday,
Feb 13, for the hearing on the other measures.
Due to the highly restrictive language in HB 1224, if passed, and we remained here, this measure would require us to cease PMAG production on July 1, 2013.
In short, Magpul would be unable to remain in business as a CO company, and the over 200 jobs for direct employees and nearly 700 jobs at our subcontractors and suppliers would pick up and leave CO. Due to the structure of our operations, this would be entirely possible, hopefully without significant disruption to production.
The legislators drafting these measures do so in spite of the fact that nothing they are proposing will do anything to even marginally improve public safety in CO, and in fact, will leave law-abiding CO residents less able to defend themselves, strip away rights and property from residents who have done nothing wrong, and send nearly 1000 jobs and millions in tax revenue out of the state.
We like CO, we want to continue to operate in CO, but most of all, we want CO to remain FREE.
Please help us in this fight, and let your voices be heard!
We have included the contact information for the House Judiciary committee for your convenience:
House Judiciary Committee
Rep. Daniel Kagan, Chair: 303-866-2921, repkagan@gmail.com
Rep. Pete Lee, Vice Chair: 303-866-2932, pete.lee.house@state.co.us
Rep. John Buckner: 303-866-2944, john.buckner.house@state.co.us
Rep. Lois Court: 303-866-2967, lois.court.house@state.co.us
Rep. Bob Gardner, 303-866-2191, bob.gardner.house@state.co.us
Rep. Polly Lawrence, 303-866-2935, polly.lawrence.house@state.co.us
Rep. Mike McLachlan, 303-866-2914, mike.mclachlan.house@state.co.us
Rep. Rep Carole Murray, 303-866-2948, murrayhouse45@gmail.com
Rep. Brittany Pettersen, 303-866-2939, brittany.pettersen.house@state.co.us
Rep. Joseph Salazar, 303-866-2918, joseph.salazar.house@state.co.us
Rep. Jared Wright, 303-866-2583, jared.wright.house@state.co.us
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NINE HUNDRED JOBS.
If any of you guys get a chance to drop a note, and quick, it would be much appreciated. (PS, sorry if repost, couldn't find on search)
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02-11-2013, 21:05
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Amen Magpul.
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02-11-2013, 21:48
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Yes, please repost or bump this for the next few days. Most importantly, write those reps even if you aren't in Colorado!
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02-12-2013, 10:41
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They can move there operations to ID! God knows we neeed the jobs.
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02-12-2013, 11:03
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02-13-2013, 13:13
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Magpul, just move to Arizona.
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02-13-2013, 14:18
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Everyone wants them (or the 900 jobs), no one realizes this is one of those we stand together or fall alone sort of deals...
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02-13-2013, 16:25
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Jeffrey Lebowski
Or stand and fight times! Stand up if they pass that BS and say no we will not comply! Then fire every last one of them next election! The time to fight is now!
On a side note I had a nice chat with a State Trooper while out shooting the other day - he assured me if DC passed any BS restrictions he and the rest of the Troopers wouldn't enforce any of it! As it would directly violate our state constitution. God I love ID!
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02-13-2013, 18:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunnut 45/454
Jeffrey Lebowski
Or stand and fight times! Stand up if they pass that BS and say no we will not comply! Then fire every last one of them next election! The time to fight is now!
On a side note I had a nice chat with a State Trooper while out shooting the other day - he assured me if DC passed any BS restrictions he and the rest of the Troopers wouldn't enforce any of it! As it would directly violate our state constitution. God I love ID! 
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I sincerely hope!
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02-14-2013, 10:58
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What can we do to help magpul?
Magpul, what can we do to help?
Can firearms owners invest in your company?
Can we Pre-order mags, even a greater price to be delivered in the future, so that you can have investment capital to use as you see fit?
In the case of Magpul, they are too important to fail.
We need to send this leftist garbage a message.
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02-15-2013, 17:14
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This passed the house today. :(
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02-15-2013, 17:37
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S.O.a.B.!
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Last edited by Yetispeaks; 02-15-2013 at 17:38..
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02-15-2013, 18:23
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Originally Posted by plainsman
Magpul, what can we do to help?
Can firearms owners invest in your company?
Can we Pre-order mags, even a greater price to be delivered in the future, so that you can have investment capital to use as you see fit?
In the case of Magpul, they are too important to fail.
We need to send this leftist garbage a message.
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Magpul isn't talking about closing its doors, or folding, they're simply saying that if it passes and becomes law, they'll pick up everything and move to a different state. It even says in their letter that they believe they can do this without negatively affecting production too much. So it wouldn't be bad for anybody except Colorado.
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02-16-2013, 08:04
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I'm a Democrat. My party has been hijacked by far left, communists. These politicians don't care what Magpul says - that's just 900 more people on the public dole, dependent upon the Democratic Party for survival (or another words, 900 more votes for the Democratic Party).
Magpul: Come to Michigan. We have keep and bear arms in our 1834 State Constitution. We have very, very few gun laws here and since Michigan is a HUGE hunting/fishing state, we're not going to add to our gun laws.
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02-17-2013, 10:22
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Originally Posted by damnyankee20
Magpul: Come to Michigan. We have keep and bear arms in our 1834 State Constitution. We have very, very few gun laws here and since Michigan is a HUGE hunting/fishing state, we're not going to add to our gun laws.
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Magpul, please come to Arizona! Article 2, Section 26 of our state constitution guarantees the right to keep and bear arms in defense of oneself and the state. Besides, you'll save a ton of money on moving costs if you come here.
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02-17-2013, 10:30
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Originally Posted by damnyankee20
I'm a Democrat. My party has been hijacked by far left, communists. These politicians don't care what Magpul says - that's just 900 more people on the public dole, dependent upon the Democratic Party for survival (or another words, 900 more votes for the Democratic Party).
Magpul: Come to Michigan. We have keep and bear arms in our 1834 State Constitution. We have very, very few gun laws here and since Michigan is a HUGE hunting/fishing state, we're not going to add to our gun laws.
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So why are you still a Democrat? Democrats are killing Colorado. I'm sure they have greatly harmed MI too.
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02-18-2013, 09:30
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It's amazing they are willing to ruin an economy by doing this. It just defies common sense.
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02-18-2013, 09:43
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Come to TX. We'd love to have you.
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02-18-2013, 10:01
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Originally Posted by fuzzy03cls
It's amazing they are willing to ruin an economy by doing this. It just defies common sense.
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These idiot liberal minded wanks don't care if they do harm their economy.
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02-18-2013, 15:09
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The Colorado House just passed all four of them, and they're pretty much guaranteed to pass the state Senate and be signed into law by the Governor. The magazine capacity limit was changed to 15 rounds for handguns and rifles, and 8 rounds for shotguns. Magazines made before the "ban" are exempt but I haven't read the law so I don't know how they're going to differentiate between old and new. And of course I don't know if the idiots bothered to exempt law enforcement officers like the idiots in NY failed to do.
Our only hope now is to start a ballot initiative to nullify these laws, much like we did with marijuana laws a few months ago. We win one freedom only to lose others just a few months later, what a shame.
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Stay safe, stay Second Amendment!
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02-18-2013, 17:43
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Magpul, Missouri would welcome you with open arms. Our state legislature is VERY gun friendly as a whole, and even the Dem governor is smart enough to recognize we NEED employers.
And BRAVO for making your stand.
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TERM LIMITS NOW!!!
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02-18-2013, 17:58
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Originally Posted by damnyankee20
I'm a Democrat. My party has been hijacked by far left, communists. These politicians don't care what Magpul says - that's just 900 more people on the public dole, dependent upon the Democratic Party for survival (or another words, 900 more votes for the Democratic Party).
Magpul: Come to Michigan. We have keep and bear arms in our 1834 State Constitution. We have very, very few gun laws here and since Michigan is a HUGE hunting/fishing state, we're not going to add to our gun laws.
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Seriously, you vote democrat and want them to come to a "hunting and fishing" state. Typical.
We need more manuf. in AZ, especially Phoenix, where I will be contracted to bring them fiber optics
Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day
Clyde
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02-18-2013, 18:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fuzzy03cls
It's amazing they are willing to ruin an economy by doing this. It just defies common sense.
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No, it doesn't at all because...
Quote:
Originally Posted by damnyankee20
I'm a Democrat. My party has been hijacked by far left, communists. These politicians don't care what Magpul says - that's just 900 more people on the public dole, dependent upon the Democratic Party for survival (or another words, 900 more votes for the Democratic Party).
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Yep. That's what my thinking is.
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Originally Posted by damnyankee20
Magpul: Come to Michigan. We have keep and bear arms in our 1834 State Constitution. We have very, very few gun laws here and since Michigan is a HUGE hunting/fishing state, we're not going to add to our gun laws.
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I would so not count on that, b/c:
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Originally Posted by bear62
So why are you still a Democrat? Democrats are killing Colorado. I'm sure they have greatly harmed MI too.
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MI is much, much worse than CO. Yeah, even outside Detroit. It has been given over to unions and democrats (is there a difference?)
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Originally Posted by voyager4520
The Colorado House just passed all four of them, and they're pretty much guaranteed to pass the state Senate and be signed into law by the Governor. The magazine capacity limit was changed to 15 rounds for handguns and rifles, and 8 rounds for shotguns. Magazines made before the "ban" are exempt but I haven't read the law so I don't know how they're going to differentiate between old and new. And of course I don't know if the idiots bothered to exempt law enforcement officers like the idiots in NY failed to do.
Our only hope now is to start a ballot initiative to nullify these laws, much like we did with marijuana laws a few months ago. We win one freedom only to lose others just a few months later, what a shame.
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I don't either, although I thought I read the burden of proof is on the prosecution. So, if Magpul or glock or whomever doesn't change magazine style, one could buy (from out of state) indefinitely with no way to prove one way or the other.
You can bet that'll get ugly with LEOs and DAs, though.
CO democrats did want magazine manufacturers to put serial numbers on magazines, but what a laugh that is. Talk about overestimating your power.
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02-18-2013, 18:56
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Hopefully Magpul makes good on the promise and leaves CO.
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02-18-2013, 19:06
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... they are willing to ruin an economy by doing this.
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If you did not know this was the plan from the start ... I am not sure what to say anymore. The kenyan has 100% buy off on the destruction of the USA from global money (UN).
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