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Old 02-11-2013, 13:23   #26
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Very well could, but could also induce feeding/ejection issues if "limp wristing", weak ammo, etc..
I tried a 20 lb. spring and it did prevent the slide from reliably cycling, but at least for me, the 18 lb. spring has worked with a wide variety of ammo with no issues. It made the felt recoil seem similar to my G19 (again to me). Your milage may vary.
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Old 02-19-2013, 12:12   #27
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Well, I've yet to get a shipping notice from them, and have emailed the "email here for shipping inquiries" address 3 times asking for an update or if it was backordered or anything. Never heard anything back...

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Old 02-19-2013, 13:02   #28
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I understand the spring and slide are the same for the 26 and 27... Would we not be in the same position? ..or is there more to it? I'd hate to take the loss doing that to no benefit..
I didn't see anyone mention this yet, but NO, the slide for a 26 and a 27 ARE NOT THE SAME. They have the same exterior dimensions and can be interchanged except for one thing... the 27 slide is HEAVIER (compare the insides of the slides and you will see that the 9mm slide has more material removed from inside). This might be why she is having problems with the 9mm ammo.

In order to be able to handle the 40SW/357Sig cartridge with the same weight of recoil spring, Glock made the slide heavier than on the 9mm (same thing with 10mm vs 45ACP).

So, a 22/31 slide is heavier than a 17 slide.
A 23/32 slide is heavier than a 19 slide.
A 20 slide is heavier than a 21 slide.
A 24 slide is heavier than a 17L slide.
A 27/33 slide is heavier than a 26
A 29 slide is heavier than a 30 slide.
A 35 slide is heavier than a 34 slide.
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Old 02-19-2013, 13:11   #29
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You know, I heard some stuff to the same effect from the guy at btguiderods.com. I emailed him and asked a couple questions and we had a great back and forth - nice guy. I'd like to buy from him just for his good customer service. Plan to at some point. He uses factory springs though so at this point I needed something else.

Funny, I'd not thought about the slide weight itself being different between 26 and 27, and he also talked about "lock time".. barrel unlocking from "the breech" at different points in the recoil stroke.. which was something else I'd not yet thought about.

I'm glad you posted and said that. I imagine them being different slides is a pretty important thing to know in a collection going forward.
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Old 02-19-2013, 13:20   #30
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I'm glad you posted and said that. I imagine them being different slides is a pretty important thing to know in a collection going forward.
Yep. I own one of each model of Glocks... so I have spent much time with them torn down and comparing things and trying to interchange parts. Like I said, if you actually compare a 9mm slide and a 40 slide, you can see where the weight difference comes from inside.

So... heavier slide with less recoil impulse from the 9mm cartridge, and your wife probably does not have the wrist strength to get that combination to work right. So you can lighten the spring weight on the 27 to use 9mm ammo, or just get a 26 so you don't have to do modifications.
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Old 02-19-2013, 13:23   #31
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Side note, I just started teaching my teen the other day, and we hit the range for the first time Sunday.

1.) He's a natural - must be those video games! :P

but,

2.) He too is having the same problem as my wife. He's a little guy. I shoot it fine, the trainer was shooting it fine, and my father in law and his friend were shooting it good too. So, It's really gotta just be that. They just can't keep their wrists tight enough.

Funny enough, he loves the .40, finds it his favorite. I suspect that may change if this spring helps, though. It's no fun to have to clear a jam or rack the slide between every round. Though, he did get to learn a bit about fixing a FTC though, which is good.

If I ever get it anyway. I'd be happy to just hear back from them..

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Old 02-19-2013, 14:19   #32
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A subcompact .40 is problematic for many shooters. It is the snappiest caliber in the smallest package. Well, to be fair, the 10mm is worse...

As to 'limp wristing', well, what if you're laying on the floor, bleeding out, you only have one hand and it's mangled but, still, you need to get a couple of shots off. Do you have the gun for it or not?

While playing around at the range yesterday, my wife and I decided to position ourselves in the dirt as though we had been getting our butts kicked. Then, strong hand only, draw and fire at a target 10 yards away. There was no opportunity for body support, no way to get a two handed grip, just barely getting up yet still draw and fire.

Yes, the Sig P220 and the Sig 1911 both functioned just fine. They always do. I had my G21SF with me but I didn't think to try it. Next time... I'm pretty confident it will work just as well.

If a self-defense gun is to be dependable, it has to work from every position, with every grip, under every conceivable condition. Every single time! Make stuff up! Test it! If it fails, get another gun...

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Old 02-19-2013, 15:32   #33
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Side note, I just started teaching my teen the other day, and we hit the range for the first time Sunday.

2.) He too is having the same problem as my wife........ They just can't keep their wrists tight enough.
I think I said it before, but it's about locking the wrist. I think you realize this, but it difficult to convey to your wife and son.

Leaning onto the shot helps. Might be a bit much for new shooter with all the other stuff running around in their head like sight alignment, etc., but maybe the suggestion of mental picture of locking the wrist would help.

There is another key to locking the wrist that comes almost naturally to some, and that is a high grip on the gun. If your strong hand is high and you lay in your support hand high as well, with the support hand index finger jammed as tight as possible under the trigger guard it naturally rotates the support hand slightly at the wrist to resist recoil. I think Enos mentions that he rotates his wrist in the article I referred to previously.

Having said all that, it may be impossible for your wife and son to get a proper grip on the gun, with a high grip and still reach the trigger. The trigger reach is a little long for some, and it maybe be forcing a grip that drives their hand lower on the grip, exacerbating muzzle flip.
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Old 02-19-2013, 15:42   #34
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As you have seen, the 26 and 27 slides are NOT identical. The conversion barrels are cool range toys, but have no place in a defensive weapon IMO. To reliably change calibers, you really need to replace the whole slide. And I doubt a 2 lb lighter spring is really going to make that much difference in the performance of the weapon.

Personally, I would get rid of the 27 and replace it with either a 19 or a 26. Your wife and son would find it much easier to shoot, and if you're like me, you'll enjoy it more too. I have a 19, a 26, and a 23. I shoot the 19 and 26 slightly better in combat style shooting than I do the 23. I have fired the 27 and don't particularly care for it.

Honestly though, with your wife having trouble racking the slide and limp wristing, why not consider a good .38 revolver for her. A lot of ladies have trouble with semi-autos. It's nothing to be ashamed of. Down the road, if she has practiced enough and mastered the Glock, then use it for self defense.
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Old 02-19-2013, 15:52   #35
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Personally, I would get rid of the 27 and replace it with either a 19 or a 26. Your wife and son would find it much easier to shoot, and if you're like me, you'll enjoy it more too.
I agree 100%. There is not enough difference in the power of a 9mm and a 40 to justify keeping it and them not being able to shoot it properly. In the event the gun needs to be used and you are not there, do you trust it enough to protect the life of your wife and child/ren?

As previously mentioned, a revolver might be another good option.
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Old 02-20-2013, 05:31   #36
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Hey guys. Didn't get the email notice this time, glad I popped in. Yeah if the spring doesn't do the trick we're going to have to find her another option. She's fairly glock-set because of the safe action trigger system.

Let me ask this. It was explained when we were looking at choices at our dealer that the glock, you know, drop it and toss it, it won't fire. The revolver we were looking at, he said if you drop it - it'll fire.

Is that with the hammer pulled, or without? Or without because it could land on the hammer and pull it back enough to fire it?

Just curious..

But anyway. Yeah they've gotten better with practice in both shooting and pulling the slide back. My boy pulls it back fine now either method, and my wife CAN pull it back and release either way, but is comfortable with opposing hands method. I don't know till we try it, but we're thinkin the spring might really just take the edge off and help. But recognize that it may not and we may need to find another choice for her.

As for the teen - he surprisingly loves the .40 so.. shrug, not really an issue for him what we do. He's a pretty darn good shot too, might I add. Have I mentioned that?

I just wish I'd hear back from the company. I emailed them 3 separate times asking for shipping or backorder information. It's been nearly two weeks..
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Hey guys. Didn't get the email notice this time, glad I popped in. Yeah if the spring doesn't do the trick we're going to have to find her another option. She's fairly glock-set because of the safe action trigger system.

Let me ask this. It was explained when we were looking at choices at our dealer that the glock, you know, drop it and toss it, it won't fire. The revolver we were looking at, he said if you drop it - it'll fire.

Is that with the hammer pulled, or without? Or without because it could land on the hammer and pull it back enough to fire it?

Just curious..

But anyway. Yeah they've gotten better with practice in both shooting and pulling the slide back. My boy pulls it back fine now either method, and my wife CAN pull it back and release either way, but is comfortable with opposing hands method. I don't know till we try it, but we're thinkin the spring might really just take the edge off and help. But recognize that it may not and we may need to find another choice for her.

As for the teen - he surprisingly loves the .40 so.. shrug, not really an issue for him what we do. He's a pretty darn good shot too, might I add. Have I mentioned that?

I just wish I'd hear back from the company. I emailed them 3 separate times asking for shipping or backorder information. It's been nearly two weeks..
I don' think this is likely. Most modern revolvers have a transfer bar system. If the trigger is not fully depressed to the rear to raise this bar, then the hammer can not hit the firing pin. It acts similar to a firing pin block, instead of blocking the firing pin, it simply doesnt allow the hammer to hit the firing pin. Older revolvers have a "spur" on the hammer that would rest in contact with the primer. It could fire if it was dropped and it landed on the hammer. Thats why in the older days they only carried 5 rounds in the cylinder with the hammer down on an empty chamber. Newer revolvers with the transfer bar system prevent this. You would be okay with a modern, new production revolver. I don't know of any (other than old clones) that do not have the transfer bar system.
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I don' think this is likely. Most modern revolvers have a transfer bar system. If the trigger is not fully depressed to the rear to raise this bar, then the hammer can not hit the firing pin. It acts similar to a firing pin block, instead of blocking the firing pin, it simply doesnt allow the hammer to hit the firing pin. Older revolvers have a "spur" on the hammer that would rest in contact with the primer. It could fire if it was dropped and it landed on the hammer. Thats why in the older days they only carried 5 rounds in the cylinder with the hammer down on an empty chamber. Newer revolvers with the transfer bar system prevent this. You would be okay with a modern, new production revolver. I don't know of any (other than old clones) that do not have the transfer bar system.
That's great to hear.
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:31   #39
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"2. She has a hard time cycling the slide or locking it back on her own anyway. The 11 or 12 percent reduction in poundage might help with that".

Here is a short video that might help her with racking the slide. This is presented by another female, and her racking method is very simple.


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Old 02-25-2013, 10:51   #40
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Well, that's the last time I order from glockstore.com. It's been over two weeks since I ordered, and I've emailed a few times to the address they specify for order inquiries. No one will respond and I've never been able to get anyone on the phone.

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I realize it's a busy time but they could at least reply, or send out a mass email like MidwayUSA did..

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Well, that's the last time I order from glockstore.com. It's been over two weeks since I ordered, and I've emailed a few times to the address they specify for order inquiries. No one will respond and I've never been able to get anyone on the phone.

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I realize it's a busy time but they could at least reply, or send out a mass email like MidwayUSA did..
I never had good success with glockstore. I avoid them like the plague.

I like glockparts.com....Dave is good people. Or next time try Lone Wolf. Also, Midway does a great job. I ordered parts from them on Monday 2/18 and they at the house Thursday 2/21. They are in MO and I'm in AZ. Pretty darn good service.
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Old 03-04-2013, 10:28   #42
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I've cancelled my order. I'm never ordering from glockstore.com again.

Now, anyone know where else I might can find a SS guide rod with a user select-able spring weight? Or even just the spring?

I was trying to get a 14lb G27 spring. Stock is 16. (right?) Having trouble finding one elsewhere at that weight..

Thanks in advance..

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Old 03-04-2013, 10:38   #43
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Any thoughts on the following parts or the websites? (I've had good luck with MidwayUSA thus far, never tried the other two)

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/687...-reduced-power (is it easy to swap springs?)

http://www.glockworx.com/Detail.aspx...96907&CAT=3694

http://www.kingglock.com/Detail.aspx...88624&CAT=4312

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Try this, I have not used them but heard they were good:

http://www.gunsprings.com/index.cfm?...ID=1&mID=5#123 Note this is for Gen3 only, not sure which you had. They have gen4 stuff too.

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Get a better trainer. Any person of any weight can shoot any Glock without malfunctions - I'd bet even with a 9mm barrel in a 27 - it's all about fundamentals. If your Glock fails to feed/extract/eject properly, you need to relearn your fundamentals, because you got them wrong the first time.
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I retired from a federal LE agency that switched to Glock M23s and M22s in 1997. Compared to the junky S&W, limited life SIGS, and ancient revolvers, virtually everyone shot better with the .40S&W. It didn't hurt that a .40S&W round using a 165 grain Federal HydraShok bullet at 950fps was the service ammo. A softball round in a super gun. It actually had the same recoil impulse as the 147 Federal HydraShok round at a 1000fps. There was no real transition for a semi-auto shooter. Just a gun that worked. Life is good.

Well, it only lasted so long. Guys decided a M27 was just the ticket. They bought them. They shot them once or twice. They dumped them as annoyingly hoppy and damned hard to shoot well compared to the 22s and 23s. I shot theirs a few times in my city and it was easy to tell why. The backstrap is too short and the rotation point is wrong in a mans hand. Worse in a woman's. Just not enough surface area toward the little finger of your palm.

There was actually a second problem. The M22s shot point of aim, point of impact about 3" high with the Trijicon night sights on them. The M23s shot about 6 inches high with the same sights. BUT the GD M27s as they were commercially bought and sighted by the factory from Glock, shot more on the order of 9" up if you could shoot accurately. I could and could see the progression up the target.

Guys would aim at the center of the bull at 25 yards and hit the target carrier. I aimed at the bottom of the sheet and hit center. On a silouette it was less obvious because the flinch about did away with the high hitting by most of the guys.

Not a single guy kept a M27. No one liked them when they had a free M23 or M22 to shoot.

When I retired, I bought myself a M26. It is quite manageable and I re-sighted it to hit point of aim, point of impact at 25 yards. It is merely OK. No one who ever shot my M17 or M19s and then shot the M26, liked the M26.

My daughter said it was simply a stupid design and did not come down your hand far enough. She bought a M19 Gen4 for a purse gun. Perfection.

That got me thinking. I saw the X-Grip for the M26/27. I bought one and put it on a M19 magazine and stuffed the assembly into my M26. It turns under a little more than a M19, but makes the M26 more useful. Having 3 (three) M19s, the X-Grip M26 is redundant and pretty much useless.

Point 1) The 40S&W is a tad much for most people with normal .40 ammo. The backstrap is too short and the sights usually need replaced to hit where you aim.

Point 2) The X-Grip makes a M26/27 with a M19/M23 magazine a hello of a lot more useful.

Point 3) The M26 or M27 is too thick and too heavy to be a pocket gun. The X-Grip makes them into a M19/23 with a half inch shorter barrel. You are better off just buying the M19 or M23.

Point 4) There is no purpose in a M26/27 as a belt holster gun. The M19/23 is a far better gun in either caliber.

My recommendation: Try an X-Grip to salvage your purchase. More likely, better advice would be to buy a M19 and be happy.

(The fan boys will drive you crazy with limp wrist stories and efforts to blame you. I have previously posted about purposely loading minimum power 9mm, shooting with two fingers loosely, either hand, and trying to make a M19 fail to cycle. I failed to make it jamb no matter what I did including holding it so loosely I had to catch it with my other hand when firing with my thumb and trigger finger only touching the M19)

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"Now, anyone know where else I might can find a SS guide rod with a user select-able spring weight? Or even just the spring?

I was trying to get a 14lb G27 spring. Stock is 16. (right?)

If so, please reply on my thread meant for this, I don't want to take this one off topic. Thanks.."
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I just today bought a SS guide rod, with spring, from Amazon. And yes, I did get to select spring weight (18lb for my GL 32), and black or polished nose on the guide rod. Shipped from Brass Stacker @ $22.
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What if your wife just tries to get used to the 27? Me and my wife shoot 9mm and forty's all the time and she never complains about the forty. She doesn't think that the forty is that much more snappier than the 9mm Glock. My lady is build pretty skinny but empties out a 33 round mag in a matter of a few seconds, she really scares me sometimes.

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You may want to try one of the slide-pull charging handles to make it easier for her to rack.

And at least for her HD/SD peace of mind while she gets the Glock sorted, I'd seriously consider investing in a medium frame 38 Special revolver (e.g. S&W Model 64 or one of its predecessors).

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