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Old 02-11-2013, 17:13   #51
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They need to just use metal magazines. That is a solution to all the issues.

They could streamline the frames to singlestack like the g36, where they are flush with the slides.

The metal mags would not compromise round count.

Then ditch the G30 for a real G19 full grip .45 to take its place.

Redo the G36 as a Gen4 singlestack, but with real grip and flush fit mag.
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Old 02-11-2013, 17:44   #52
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Except if they also ban internet sales of ammo. Good luck finding GAP ammo. Common calibers are going to be tough enough to get.
If that happened there are 3 LGS's near me who carry it. Just a litlle bit higher.
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Old 02-11-2013, 21:50   #53
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They need to just use metal magazines. That is a solution to all the issues.

They could streamline the frames to singlestack like the g36, where they are flush with the slides.

The metal mags would not compromise round count.

Then ditch the G30 for a real G19 full grip .45 to take its place.

Redo the G36 as a Gen4 singlestack, but with real grip and flush fit mag.
How does a metal mag. compromise the round count and what "issue" does it solve?

Metal mags would eat the mag. release up, in no time.

The 45 ACP will not fit in a 19 size frame, for a real G19 grip.
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Old 02-12-2013, 18:25   #54
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Except if they also ban internet sales of ammo. Good luck finding GAP ammo. Common calibers are going to be tough enough to get.
Yea I knew you'd surface, let' see now, I know it's been 3 or 4 years (prolly more) you've been saying the round is dead & nobody can find ammo, but it's alive and well & I got a 1000 rounds. In 2 different states walked into stores, 1st time and found it.

As for the tiny width difference in the slide, the 39 still carries like a 27 & waaay better than a 1911.

Oh, BTW in about 6 or 7 months the GAP will be 10 years old.

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Old 02-12-2013, 18:43   #55
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Except if they also ban internet sales of ammo. Good luck finding GAP ammo. Common calibers are going to be tough enough to get.
I don't want to bash an odd ball caliber. After all it's a Glock! I think every one should have a Glock (GAP) paper weight!
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Old 02-13-2013, 00:00   #56
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Yea I knew you'd surface, let' see now, I know it's been 3 or 4 years (prolly more) you've been saying the round is dead & nobody can find ammo, but it's alive and well & I got a 1000 rounds. In 2 different states walked into stores, 1st time and found it.

As for the tiny width difference in the slide, the 39 still carries like a 27 & waaay better than a 1911.

Oh, BTW in about 6 or 7 months the GAP will be 10 years old.
I have never seen GAP ammo available locally. If internet sales are banned, yes many will find it difficult to find GAP ammo. I'm happy you have 1000 rounds, good for you!
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I have never seen GAP ammo available locally. If internet sales are banned, yes many will find it difficult to find GAP ammo. I'm happy you have 1000 rounds, good for you!
I assure you your local gun stores will carry it if it happened. All you have to do is inquire. Pretty simple really.
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:40   #58
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GLOCK G37 Magazine .45 GAP 10 Round Factory New Polymer Black

My GLOCK G37 Magazine .45 GAP 10 Round Factory New Polymer Black. 10 rounds in the magazine. It cannot hold more as ... Let me add to the "magazine capacity" thing.... new semiauto magazines cannot be sold which hold more than 10 rounds

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I find it funny when people say a .45 acp can't fit inside a G19 sized pistol. S&W sure did a good job of doing just that with the M&P 45 compact.
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I have never seen GAP ammo available locally. If internet sales are banned, yes many will find it difficult to find GAP ammo. I'm happy you have 1000 rounds, good for you!
Several of my local shops carry it. I know that if I asked the others, they would carry it too. All you have to do is ask. If they know they have a customer who would buy it, they will stock it. If not, they exhibit poor business sense.

Since I first started my interest in GAP, I have read on internet forums on how/why I should stay away from the caliber because it's going to go away. Well, it hasn't. I have had no problem acquiring ammo for it (over 5K rounds in the locker, I know - good for me). As a matter of fact, I have been able to get more GAP than 9mm lately.

I don't know why folks feel the need to bash a specific caliber or firearm unless they have had a very negative experience with one.

Having been in combat with Belgians who were carrying FN 5.7s and P90s, it never occurred to me to tell them "good luck finding ammo for that."
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I find it funny when people say a .45 acp can't fit inside a G19 sized pistol. S&W sure did a good job of doing just that with the M&P 45 compact.
Not to mention the XDs, as small or smaller than anything GLOCK makes, including their .380s.
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Old 02-13-2013, 06:02   #63
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The last gun I bought was not stocked by the dealer. They ordered it. I am guessing that dealers also could order ammunition that they did not have in stock. But that is just a guess.
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I don't know why folks feel the need to bash a specific caliber or firearm unless they have had a very negative experience with one.
I guess it's a guy thing: "Mine's better (bigger) than yours.". Ever been in a Ford/Chevy/Dodge debate?

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I am guessing that dealers also could order ammunition that they did not have in stock. But that is just a guess.
That's what my LGS did when I asked for a couple boxes of .45GAP Gold Dot.


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The last gun I bought was not stocked by the dealer. They ordered it. I am guessing that dealers also could order ammunition that they did not have in stock. But that is just a guess.
Love it! Well said.

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I guess it's a guy thing: "Mine's better (bigger) than yours.". Ever been in a Ford/Chevy/Dodge debate?

(Or am I showing my age by asking that question? )

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I do get that. But for some reason, there are folks who seem to live to bash GAP. It's almost like they're threatened by it. You don't see the same type of response when 10MM, 357 Sig and the like are discussed.
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I have never seen GAP ammo available locally. If internet sales are banned, yes many will find it difficult to find GAP ammo. I'm happy you have 1000 rounds, good for you!
Ask your local LGS to carry it. Bet they will.
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I find it funny when people say a .45 acp can't fit inside a G19 sized pistol. S&W sure did a good job of doing just that with the M&P 45 compact.
If Glock ditched their polymer covered magazine, they could do it too. That contributes to chunky grips of the glock line.
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If Glock ditched their polymer covered magazine, they could do it too. That contributes to chunky grips of the glock line.
Ridiculous. Post some measurements, to prove your point. Glock's polymer covered mags don't feel any different from any other double stack mag. Double stack mags that hold 17 rounds, contained within the grip, don't make them feel any chunkier than any other mag.
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If Glock ditched their polymer covered magazine, they could do it too. That contributes to chunky grips of the glock line.
I call BS on that, sorry. My chunky opinion.


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Ridiculous. Post some measurements, to prove your point. Glock's polymer covered mags don't feel any different from any other double stack mag. Double stack mags that hold 17 rounds, contained within the grip, don't make them feel any chunkier than any other mag.
Now that makes sense. Try holding a M9, it's chubby too.

Glock has no grip panels for one, and if the grip "is" a little
wide I'll take it for 15rds in a compact 9mm.

Oh, and on topic, the 45 GAP isn't going no where. LEO are using it
and liking it. After I get my G32 my next goal is a G38
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I find it funny when people say a .45 acp can't fit inside a G19 sized pistol. S&W sure did a good job of doing just that with the M&P 45 compact.
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M&P 45 Compact:

Width - 1.2" Thicker than the G19 at 1.18
Length - 7.55" Longer than the G19 at 7.28
Weight 26.2 oz - Heavier than the G38 45GAP at 24.16
It is shorter, but then again, I can't get all my fingers comfortably on it like I can the G19.

KAHR does make one that is smaller, but the G19 size is such a perfect balance of so many things.
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I can't get all my fingers comfortably on it like I can the G19.

KAHR does make one that is smaller, but the G19 size is such a perfect balance of so many things.
It is isn't it. In fact I'm building my compact collection.

19/23 so far. G32 next and last a G38. I like to CCW
all my pistols and they conceal great and fit my large
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M&P 45 Compact:

Width - 1.2" Thicker than the G19 at 1.18
Length - 7.55" Longer than the G19 at 7.28
Weight 26.2 oz - Heavier than the G38 45GAP at 24.16
It is shorter, but then again, I can't get all my fingers comfortably on it like I can the G19.

KAHR does make one that is smaller, but the G19 size is such a perfect balance of so many things.
I don't think KAHR makes a pistol with a double stack mag. They can be much smaller with narrow mags.
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How does a metal mag. compromise the round count and what "issue" does it solve?

Metal mags would eat the mag. release up, in no time.

The 45 ACP will not fit in a 19 size frame, for a real G19 grip.

Austin,

Using a metal mag would avoid compromising the round count while allowing the pistol frame to be slimmed considerably. This is because there is alot of room taken up by the polymer coating over a metal frame in the current magazines. In addition, using a novel magazine spring like the "Caracal" design where in it winds upon itself in a spiral like fashion minimize volume lost from spring compression allowing for 1 or 2 additional rounds.

Easy fix for the mag release. Look at the Caracal.

The .45 in a G19 would be close enough as evidenced by what they did to the "SF" frame guns. If you did incorporate a metal mag it would make it easy to do that as you would gain about 2.5mm front to back in the magwell.
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Austin,

The caracal subcompact is the width of the Kahr and it holds 13 rounds. Wonder how they did that?
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