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Old 02-09-2013, 01:27   #1
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Drone strikes on Americans suspected of being terrorists......

I'm having trouble understanding why this issue has come up right now, and why Obama is the one doing it.

It seems to me that anyone, regardless of nationality, who is engaged in killing Americans (or any innocent people, for that matter), needs to be eliminated.

I am having trouble making sense of this ruling, though. To my thinking, it just doesn't seem like Obama is all that worried about protecting American lives....Benghazi, rules of engagement, obamacare, conduct which emboldens our enemies, etc.

So, why this, and why now?

On the surface, I'm inclined to support the ruling. It isn't support for Obama, but the ruling seems in the best interests of protecting American lives, in general.

I'm having great difficulty believing Obama doesn't have a reason for this, beyond what is on the surface......but, what?

Have we had a problem with Americans joining terrorist organizations? I know there has been an example, or two......but, why has this ruling suddenly become important?

In case there are those who think I should support the CIC, because he is our president.....sorry, there has just been too many questionable decisions and actions on his part for me to have faith and trust in his motives for doing what he does.

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Old 02-09-2013, 07:16   #2
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If a person is an American Citizen and is a member of a terrorist cell, or has ideas about killing Americans, I will kill them if given the opportunity. For those who fail to believe there are terrorists among us, go to Oklahoma City and visit the site of Timmothy McVeigh's terrorist act.
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Old 02-09-2013, 07:51   #3
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It's the anti-government anarchists and a few TV reporters, like Judge Andrew Napolitano, who have sensationalized this story beyond any limits of sanity.

Neither Obama, nor the US government, has any plans to kill innocent American citizens with drones.

The airborne drone is just another tool to be used in the fight against crime in this country.

What's the difference if a cop shoots a criminal, or that same criminal is killed by an airborne drone?

If a drone attack was the best option to prevent a terrorist attack, would you condemn it's use just because the terrorists happen to be American citizens?
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Old 02-09-2013, 09:49   #4
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It's the anti-government anarchists and a few TV reporters, like Judge Andrew Napolitano, who have sensationalized this story beyond any limits of sanity.

Neither Obama, nor the US government, has any plans to kill innocent American citizens with drones.

The airborne drone is just another tool to be used in the fight against crime in this country.

What's the difference if a cop shoots a criminal, or that same criminal is killed by an airborne drone?

If a drone attack was the best option to prevent a terrorist attack, would you condemn it's use just because the terrorists happen to be American citizens?
There are none so blind as they who will not see.

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Old 02-09-2013, 10:02   #5
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It's the anti-government anarchists and a few TV reporters, like Judge Andrew Napolitano, who have sensationalized this story beyond any limits of sanity.

Neither Obama, nor the US government, has any plans to kill innocent American citizens with drones.

The airborne drone is just another tool to be used in the fight against crime in this country.

What's the difference if a cop shoots a criminal, or that same criminal is killed by an airborne drone?

If a drone attack was the best option to prevent a terrorist attack, would you condemn it's use just because the terrorists happen to be American citizens?
Look at all the people that are mistakenly put on the governments no fly list.
I think some modicum of proof would be prudent.
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:16   #6
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Here is another thing. Just because drones are used to kill abroad in very difficult areas to send men to do the same task does not mean they will be used in the same manner here.

Obama is using drones like no other president because he is trying to keep terrorists out of Gitmo and avoid US troops and/or casualties in politically sensitive areas like Pakistan.

Here drones would most likely be used for dangerous missions, such as forest fire fighting, or surveillance, such as pursuits or manhunts. They would be used because they are cheaper and less dangerous than a fully loaded Jet Ranger crashing into a neighborhood. To be honest most drones if used by fire or police are going to be essentially large recreational RC planes with cameras. A department could probably piece one together now.
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:32   #7
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It's the anti-government anarchists and a few TV reporters, like Judge Andrew Napolitano, who have sensationalized this story beyond any limits of sanity.

Neither Obama, nor the US government, has any plans to kill innocent American citizens with drones.

The airborne drone is just another tool to be used in the fight against crime in this country.

What's the difference if a cop shoots a criminal, or that same criminal is killed by an airborne drone?

If a drone attack was the best option to prevent a terrorist attack, would you condemn it's use just because the terrorists happen to be American citizens?
Do you think you have a better understanding of the constitution than Judge Andrew Napolitano?

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Old 02-09-2013, 10:47   #8
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Do you think you have a better understanding of the constitution than Judge Andrew Napolitano?
It's not about me and how much I know about the constitution.

It's about Napolitano and others trying to scare the American people by exaggerating this drone issue into something it's not.

I distrust the government as much as anyone here, but we have to use some common sense, and we have to pick and choose which battles to fight against that government.

What Napolitano does in this video is the same thing as yelling fire in a crowded movie theatre. He's using the constitution to prey upon the fears of Americans and to gain ratings for his own personal benefit.

We can play "what if" all day long.
He knows better.


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It's not about me and how much I know about the constitution.

It's about Napolitano and others trying to scare the American people by exaggerating this drone issue into something it's not.

I distrust the government as much as anyone here, but we have to use some common sense, and we have to pick and choose which battles to fight against that government.

What Napolitano does in this video is the same thing as yelling fire in a crowded movie theatre. He's using the constitution to prey upon the fears of Americans and to gain ratings for his own personal benefit.

We can play "what if" all day long.
He knows better.

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The government using unconstitutional powers to kill American citizens, is not one of the battles we should be taking up with the Government?

Should we save all the outrage for just Obama phones?

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Old 02-09-2013, 11:28   #10
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If they are American citizens it is their right to have a trail.... Don't squash someone's routs because of emotions
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:35   #11
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There are none so blind as they who will not see.

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Look at all the people that are mistakenly put on the governments no fly list.
I think some modicum of proof would be prudent.
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The government using unconstitutional powers to kill American citizens, is not one of the battles we should be taking up with the Government?

Should we save all the outrage for just Obama phones?

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What if Adolf Hitler had been an American citizen?

I wonder how many American citizens were in Hiroshima and Nagasaki during WWII?

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What if Adolf Hitler had been an American citizen?



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I wonder what the Jews thought of Hitler's extermination list?

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
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Old 02-09-2013, 13:16   #13
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I wonder what the Jews thought of Hitler's extermination list?
Would you have defended Hitler's right to constitutional protection if he had been a US citizen?

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Old 02-09-2013, 13:33   #14
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Dont waste your time, folks.

The folks on GTPI who support this are stubborn.

They can't see past the war on terror, of which they are egotistically invested in. When it comes to killing middle easterners they have no problem giving the government any power it claims is "just for the battlefield", with no idea of the potential for the abuse of that power down the road.

As I said in another post, these folks support the Constitution until it stands in the way of their political and imperial agendas. Much like
the current Anti-gunners do.


The simple fact is, killing any American citizen without due process is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. When the government is allowed to sidestep it's regulating document, what's to stop it from sidestepping it in other instances? like the 2A for example. You complain and moan about the size of government and it's spending, but completly support it adhering to the COTUS only when it wants to, and now you wonder why it's coming for our guns?




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Old 02-09-2013, 13:52   #15
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I think the Govt is priming the pump. So when americans resist gun confication they can do whatever they want to "We The People".. They just need to call us terrorists. And it's open season on Americans.
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Dont waste your time, folks.

The folks on GTPI who support this are stubborn.


There is nothing like a sheep that rolls over on it's back on it's own when it comes shearing time.

Would you have defended Hitler's right to constitutional protection if he had been a US citizen?

Would you have supported killing him without advising him of his rights, providing a lawyer for him, or denying him a trial by a jury of his peers?

Should American troops have gotten a search warrant before going into his bunker?

That is "if" he had been an American citizen.

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Would you have defended Hitler's right to constitutional protection if he had been a US citizen?

Would you have supported killing him without advising him of his rights, providing a lawyer for him, or denying him a trial by a jury of his peers?

Should American troops have gotten a search warrant before going into his bunker?

That is "if" he had been an American citizen.

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I hereby invoke Godwins Law. You lose.
Funny how nobody wants take on that question?...
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Would you have defended Hitler's right to constitutional protection if he had been a US citizen?

Would you have supported killing him without advising him of his rights, providing a lawyer for him, or denying him a trial by a jury of his peers?

Should American troops have gotten a search warrant before going into his bunker?

That is "if" he had been an American citizen.

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We were at WAR. Americans fought on the side of the Germans and we're killed by us but we were at WAR with Germany. Who are we at WAR with JB?

BTW, the Russians took Hitler's bunker.
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Funny how nobody wants take on that question?...
JB, why didn't you vote for Obama? You and he agree on so much.
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