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Old 02-10-2013, 13:33   #176
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No, we may not.

There is a thread in Political Issues on that topic.

Interesting. I have learned much here.

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Old 02-10-2013, 13:50   #177
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Maybe the investigation was 'reopened' as a tactic to calm him down and gain time?
It sends a bad message. It essentially says, well, if you murder people, then we'll pay attention to your complaint. So, instead of dealing with the union, instead of filing a law suit, just shoot people, then we'll look into it? Screw due process?

Sorry, but if I get railroaded by my agency the first step is going to the the union. Failing that, it is going to be a lawsuit. Failing that, it it is going to be a career change.

The only time I plan to use deadly force is to protect myself or someone else from grave bodily harm or death. Murder is not an option. Murder shouldn't get you another bite at the apple with the agency that employs you.
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Old 02-10-2013, 13:53   #178
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Political and strategic move. But won't appease this guy unless he gets everything he wants.
Yeah, unfortunately I think Marlowe has it right. What he really wants is to kill and destroy under the cover of a noble cause. If they came out today and said it was all a big mistake and that LAPD brass would be prosecuted for a cover-up, I think he would still continue his murderous spree with renewed justification in his actions.


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Old 02-10-2013, 14:08   #179
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The lesson here is watch how you treat people because you never know how they'll react. Especially when they feel like their back is against the wall.
Bull****. There is no need to ever placate a turd because they might do something bad. That's not how we handle criminals. People of true mettle and honor don't give it up when their backs are against the wall. True, honorable men will fight for justice and even employ violence against their oppressors when necessary, however they do not murder innocent people in the name of justice. That is simply a coward looking for an excuse as has already been pointed out. Don't confuse standing up for an honorable cause with a psychopath looking for an excuse for evil.


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Old 02-10-2013, 14:11   #180
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It sends a bad message.
It sends a terrible message. When this whole thing first started, the second thing the Chief should have done was pull the original disciplinary case and reviewed it.

And review the case, he should have. So that he could say:"we are aware of the nut's complaint. In the past few days I/we have re-reviewed the investigation in question and came to the same conclusion. Again. Thank you."
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Old 02-10-2013, 14:14   #181
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Naturally, I can't find the article again, but I believe that one of the news articles I read claimed that up to 60% of the cabins in Big Bear sit vacant at any selected time. Or, what if he knows how to survive in a snowcave?

Meanwhile, it seems like the police are covering their bets well and watching the Mexican border for this guy.

I haven't seen too many theories on what if this guy has accomplices? We've all seen information on the splinter groups that are now supporting him. What if someone else drove the truck to Big Bear. He supposedly owns thirty guns and had five years to plan. What if he has fifteen weapons caches?

The police really have their hands full with this one.
It does appear that he has had time to make all sort of plans. He may have a few 'supporters' which have provided him transportation. If so, he could be any where.

He probably needs to be shot on sight. Too dangerous. Like a rabid dog.
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Old 02-10-2013, 14:19   #182
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Im pretty sure you havent read any of the posts but they LAPD does have civilians on their review board. Isnt that exactly what you are talking about?
We have the same thing here. They have little to no power.
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Old 02-10-2013, 14:20   #183
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The lesson here is watch how you treat people because you never know how they'll react. Especially when they feel like their back is against the wall.
Always good advise.

Be cognizant of his/her behaviors towards you. At the same time, also be cognizant of your behaviors towards him/her.

Often, a "victim's" statement that he was acting like the perfect gentleman towards the other person, and for no apparent reason that person [insert adverb] responded back, will sound hollow... because it is.
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Old 02-10-2013, 14:22   #184
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We have the same thing here. They have little to no power.
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Old 02-10-2013, 14:24   #185
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Naturally, I can't find the article again, but I believe that one of the news articles I read claimed that up to 60% of the cabins in Big Bear sit vacant at any selected time. Or, what if he knows how to survive in a snowcave?

Meanwhile, it seems like the police are covering their bets well and watching the Mexican border for this guy.

I haven't seen too many theories on what if this guy has accomplices? We've all seen information on the splinter groups that are now supporting him. What if someone else drove the truck to Big Bear. He supposedly owns thirty guns and had five years to plan. What if he has fifteen weapons caches?

The police really have their hands full with this one.
I doubt he has accomplices. Doesn't seem like one who builds relationships. If he does, the $1M reward just announced will probably throw a wrench into that situation.

Not that anyone should take him or the situation lightly, but he hasn't been seen or heard from in a couple of days now and as angry as he is he doesn't seem like the patient type now that he's started his scene. I think he under-planned for the bad weather, got stranded in the elements & he'll be found when the snow melts in Big Bear. Or he's holed up somewhere in Big Bear they haven't found yet.
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Old 02-10-2013, 14:27   #186
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None other than Charlie Sheen is reaching out to this turd, telling him to "call me". Birds of a feather, I guess......
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Old 02-10-2013, 14:37   #187
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We've all heard compelling stories about how Dorner got a raw deal during his termination, yet we never hear the other side of the story. What is also not mentioned is that Dorner appealed this matter all the way to the California Court of Appeals, which upheld his termination.
The below link is to the Court of Appeals analysis, spelling out both sides of the case. You can draw your own conclusions as to what happened.

http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx...0111003006.xml
That's a good read. It makes it pretty obvious that he only made the complaint to get out of a bad review and it's not the first time he made a false claim.

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Old 02-10-2013, 14:49   #188
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Why are they wasting time watching the Mexican border? Seems it would be as porous going south as it is coming north, and the record of stopping northbound illegals is not good.


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w01, I also doubt he has an accomplice, for the reasons you suggest.

From an investigative standpoint, it's a possibility that must be considered, but, so far, he sounds like he is on his own.

I hope so, anyway.
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Old 02-10-2013, 15:18   #190
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LAPD is offering a Cool Million Dollar Reward.



LOS ANGELES (AP) — Seeking leads in a massive manhunt, Los Angeles authorities on Sunday offered a $1 million reward for information leading to the arrest of Christopher Dorner, the former police officer suspected in three killings.

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LOS ANGELES (AP) Seeking leads in a massive manhunt, Los Angeles authorities on Sunday offered a $1 million reward for information leading to the arrest of Christopher Dorner, the former police officer suspected in three killings.


Arrest?

Whatever happened to "Dead or Alive?"
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Whatever happened to "Dead or Alive?"

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Old 02-10-2013, 16:03   #193
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Here's a link to all the docs regarding his termination, including the initial "Kicking" incident report (under the link called Dorner Addenda).

http://leaksource.wordpress.com/2013...llenging-lapd/
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Old 02-10-2013, 17:03   #194
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I may be inviting flame bait but to believe that the LAPD with the history that it has that it isn't rampant with racism and corruption is fantasy. What I think happened is that Dorner reported abuse and the person that he accused was protected and they chose to smear his name and destroy his career to make him an example. Yeah, he may have lost it or could it be that after following procedure and trying to go by the book to get justice only thing he got was "Just Us".

In the end when you die only thing you have is your name and what is associated with it when people think of you. His name as well as his career is ruined. I think he is using the few options he feels he has to get that name back. I'm not saying what he is doing is right, but I can empathize. I also think others in LAPD can too since they have decided to reopen the investigation into Dorners firing.

Personally, I don't think they'll ever capture him alive unless the investigation verdict changes.

The lesson here is watch how you treat people because you never know how they'll react. Especially when they feel like their back is against the wall.
Such as?

Rodney King? One incident, four officers out of 9,000, decided on a clip of a longer video that would have provided very important context. Use of force never looks pretty.

Rampart? Long believed that most of what Rafael Perez revealed was a bogus attempt to save his own ass. Remember that he did not "come forward" as a whistleblowing hero, he got caught stealing a **** load of coke.

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He obviously is not stable - I have gone through some (dung) in my life, and even have been so mad at a person my heart started running 100mph when he was near, but I NEVER was tempted to go shooting at anyone.

Why did he need to get fired? Was there anything else in his LAPD career that they looked at other than the accusation that he came forward with as a reason for his dismissal?

We may not like his views (2nd Amendment, entertainment, political among them) but I don't believe he's unstable. He's just a man pushed to his limits. What you went through probably isn't the same as what he's gone through. The limit of abuse that you can take is different from his.

Everyone's limits are different.

I've gone to a couple of 2nd amendment rallies in the since January where we feel that there are people who want to take away our rights and the government talks of confiscation. I read several flags made by people who may feel their back are against the wall that read "Come and Take Them". I thought about what these people would do if they did come knocking at their door. How far would they go to get back or keep what's theirs? Would people call them unstable for doing what they needed to do to get back what's theirs?
Why did he need to get fired? Because he LIED. We cut an officer lose because he lied about where he lived...not because he lived outside of our residency area, but because when they called him in, he lied about it. You are obviously on the outside looking in here, but we (law enforcement) take integrity extremely seriously.

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You could be right. I am just saying that with LAPD and other law enforcement agencies history of abuse and corruption how come LAPD gets a pass? I do believe that this could have all been prevented if someone had've looked into this outside of LAPD.
Please further describe the "history of abuse" of which you speak. LAPD has nearly 10,000 officers, they're in one of the most liberal and populous regions in the country. They have a giant target on their back. When the "scandals" stop making the news, I'll start worrying about them. As long as they're uncommon enough to still be reported (since they're obviously ratings bait), then they're not happening often enough to be concerned. Keep in mind that as one of the largest agencies in the country, LAPD has an internal affairs division that is larger than probably a significant percentage of law enforcement agencies nationwide.
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I'm glad the cops throw up all the stops when it comes to one of them being threatened.

I wonder if there would be 500+ murders in Chicago if they (and the politicians) even gave 1% of the effort there.

I wouldn't be surprised if Dorner is reviving help from various members of the public in LA.

There are probably thousands of people who would be willing to aid him in the LA area alone.


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I'm glad the cops throw up all the stops when it comes to one of them being threatened.

I wonder if there would be 500+ murders in Chicago if they (and the politicians) even gave 1% of the effort there.

I wouldn't be surprised if Dorner is reviving help from various members of the public in LA.

There are probably thousands of people who would be willing to aid him in the LA area alone.


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What road?

That's why they are offering a reward. Ill bet they think the same thing, that he is receiving help from people who sympathize with him.


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Everyone should follow actionshooter10's advice.

Do NOT go down that road.

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I'm glad the cops throw up all the stops when it comes to one of them being threatened.

I wonder if there would be 500+ murders in Chicago if they (and the politicians) even gave 1% of the effort there.

I wouldn't be surprised if Dorner is reviving help from various members of the public in LA.

There are probably thousands of people who would be willing to aid him in the LA area alone.


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