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Old 02-12-2013, 12:04   #341
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hes had help to get out of the country...

i mentioned in other threads that he will cross into mexico and come back when he wants to.
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Old 02-12-2013, 12:05   #342
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There were signs, assuming he is not lying in his rant.

He is violent in situations that don't call for violence:

(1) In first grade he kicked and punched another for calling him the N-word. And he continued the same violence through high school. Yeah, a physical reaction would be very understandable, but this shows a pattern.

(2) While in the academy, in a large van, 2 other officers (cadets?) were talking about (N-word)s. Dorner told them to stop, and they responded they would do it whenever they liked. (They apparently were not referring to Dorner.)

According to Dorner, he went over the front seat, and other officers, to grab the offending idiot by the throat, leading to what sounds like a mêlée in the van.
(He says he should have just shot him in the head.)

This second thing, if true, shows a worsening pattern of violence and the lack of self control, and maybe even the thoughts of committing murder.

Inappropriate behavior in that setting - there are others ways of dealing with it. Especially when still in the Academy.

At this point, assuming all is true, I would have dismissed Dorner from the Academy, and black-balled him from law enforcement. He did not have sufficient self-control to handle life as a street cop. (And taken serious action against the other two, up to dismissal, depending on what actually was being said.)

His actions now bear that opinion out.
This is a cultural issue. Minorities and White people see racism differently. Being call an N****r is to black people is some of the most disrepectful things you can do. You may not feel that the violence was called for but a lot of black people would disagree. If you had called someone a n****r in my old neighborhood, you getting an ass kicking was the least of your concerns.

It also shows you the amount of racism that minorities have to deal with. People think just because America voted in a black president racism is over. Minorities know different. Also, it is unrealistic to think that there was no corruption or racism in any PD.
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Old 02-12-2013, 12:26   #343
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This is a cultural issue. Minorities and White people see racism differently. Being call an N****r is to black people is some of the most disrepectful things you can do. You may not feel that the violence was called for but a lot of black people would disagree. If you had called someone a n****r in my old neighborhood, you getting an ass kicking was the least of your concerns.

It also shows you the amount of racism that minorities have to deal with. People think just because America voted in a black president racism is over. Minorities know different. Also, it is unrealistic to think that there was no corruption or racism in any PD.
So, if you show the bottom of your shoe to a Muslim, they are justified in beating you up?
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Old 02-12-2013, 12:36   #344
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So, if you show the bottom of your shoe to a Muslim, they are justified in beating you up?


I don't know if showing them the bottom of your shoe has a similar meaning and history as the N-word. But if it does....probably so. You ask a Muslim how he feels about it after you do it. If in 30 seconds you're still standing upright it may not bother him. If he knocks you on your behind you know not to do it again.

Show people the respect you'd want and you wouldn't have to worry about it.

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This is a cultural issue. Minorities and White people see racism differently. Being call an N****r is to black people is some of the most disrepectful things you can do. You may not feel that the violence was called for but a lot of black people would disagree. If you had called someone a n****r in my old neighborhood, you getting an ass kicking was the least of your concerns.

It also shows you the amount of racism that minorities have to deal with. People think just because America voted in a black president racism is over. Minorities know different. Also, it is unrealistic to think that there was no corruption or racism in any PD.
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I don't know if showing them the bottom of your shoe has a similar meaning and history as the N-word. But if it does....probably so. You ask a Muslim how he feels about it after you do it. If in 30 seconds you're still standing upright it may not bother him. If he knocks you on your behind you know not to do it again.

Show people the respect you'd want and you wouldn't have to worry about it.
Guys, I think this is getting a little, teeny, tiny bit too far afield...

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hes had help to get out of the country...

i mentioned in other threads that he will cross into mexico and come back when he wants to.
That's impossible. Our borders are locked up tighter than madonna's chastity belt.

Oh, wait........


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Show people the respect you'd want and you wouldn't have to worry about it.
Generally a good idea, unless you come across somebody who's looking to be offended.
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Generally a good idea, unless you come across somebody who's looking to be offended.
True. We have Rev. Jackson and Sharpton that have made a career out of it. Thing is the reason that they have a career in the first place is that they didn't have far to look.
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Feinstein and Boxer Ask Californians to Lay Down Their Weapons During Statewide Manhunt

(PP)- As an ex-Los Angeles police officer killed three people and went on a deadly shooting rampage in a vendetta to punish those he attributed for his firing, California Senators Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer pleaded for calm, and asked both law enforcement and civilians to lay down their weapons.


http://www.palookavillepost.com/2013...ewide-manhunt/
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Generally a good idea, unless you come across somebody who's looking to be offended.
True. We have Rev. Jackson and Sharpton that have made a career out of it. Thing is the reason that they have a career in the first place is that they didn't have far to look.

Using a word knowing how it effects a group of people, you have to know that you are going to get a reaction out of them. There are consequences.

All I'm saying is that the incidents that was brought up about Dorner's past mean nothing except that he was unwilling to take abuse and mistreatment from anyone.

Like I said before, I'm not justifying what he has done but there was a whole lot that could have been done to prevent this.
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Feinstein and Boxer Ask Californians to Lay Down Their Weapons During Statewide Manhunt

(PP)- As an ex-Los Angeles police officer killed three people and went on a deadly shooting rampage in a vendetta to punish those he attributed for his firing, California Senators Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer pleaded for calm, and asked both law enforcement and civilians to lay down their weapons.


http://www.palookavillepost.com/2013...ewide-manhunt/

All I have to say is wow! This almost seems like an article from the Onion. This can't be real.
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Feinstein and Boxer Ask Californians to Lay Down Their Weapons During Statewide Manhunt

(PP)- As an ex-Los Angeles police officer killed three people and went on a deadly shooting rampage in a vendetta to punish those he attributed for his firing, California Senators Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer pleaded for calm, and asked both law enforcement and civilians to lay down their weapons.


http://www.palookavillepost.com/2013...ewide-manhunt/

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True. We have Rev. Jackson and Sharpton that have made a career out of it. Thing is the reason that they have a career in the first place is that they didn't have far to look.

Using a word knowing how it effects a group of people, you have to know that you are going to get a reaction out of them. There are consequences.

All I'm saying is that the incidents that was brought up about Dorner's past mean nothing except that he was unwilling to take abuse and mistreatment from anyone.

Like I said before, I'm not justifying what he has done but there was a whole lot that could have been done to prevent this.
Interesting thoughts, sir, and we'd like to hear your ideas on what could have been done to prevent this, but that is a discussion for a different thread. Please start another.

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All I have to say is wow! This almost seems like an article from the Onion. This can't be real.
Sure it can. Boxer and Slimestain are safe in WaDC behind security.
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Do you have a bit more credible source for this? Posted what, three days ago and no one in the MSM picked it up?
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Do you have a bit more credible source for this? Posted what, three days ago and no one in the MSM picked it up?
Onionesque satire. The fact that the author is named "Jimmy Olsentwins" is an indicator.
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Come on guys, the article was written by "Ace cub reporter Jimmy Olsentwins". Do you really think it's real?
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Onionesque satire. The fact that the author is named "Jimmy Olsentwins" is an indicator.
I wish the Onion would use bit more sarcasm and a bit less prognostication.

The closer you live to California, the more credible it seems.
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Onion for the win

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