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02-12-2013, 17:56
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I hope they remove his chard remains from the ashes.
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02-12-2013, 17:57
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Thanks guys for chiming in on that. According to the media the fire was started from inside and was not a tactic of the swat team. I am not surprised 
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02-12-2013, 18:06
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The Tin foil types are going to have a field day.
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I hope he's dead.
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02-12-2013, 18:30
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Originally Posted by Maine
Am I the only one who heard on the San Bernardino County Sheriff Sysyem police scanner 2 officers talking and one said he "can see blood splatter and mattress against the wall" and the other officer said "ok were gonna burn it as planned". This was 15 mins before the media had any video or commentary on a fire. I also heard a woman dispatcher say "the furnace was in place at the front door"..
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Be careful/certain what you're listening to, because reports from about an hour, 90 mins before you posted this were saying the police/sheriffs/LEO in the area were shutting down the informatio that scanners would pick up.
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02-12-2013, 18:46
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Originally Posted by WarCry
Be careful/certain what you're listening to, because reports from about an hour, 90 mins before you posted this were saying the police/sheriffs/LEO in the area were shutting down the informatio that scanners would pick up.
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That's what I thought also. I thought communication was shut down well before the fire was reported.
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02-12-2013, 19:37
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He had 5 years to prepare for this. Makes you wonder if they will pull his remains out or if they will bury him at sea, with no evidence of a body. Like Bin Laden. Just saying...
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02-12-2013, 19:46
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Originally Posted by ArcAngel
He had 5 years to prepare for this. Makes you wonder if they will pull his remains out or if they will bury him at sea, with no evidence of a body. Like Bin Laden. Just saying...
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I believe his mother might have a say...
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02-12-2013, 20:09
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Hope they got him. It's a shame that another Officer fell at the hands of this clown
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02-12-2013, 20:17
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CNN is reporting that authorities are confirming the body of Dorner has been removed from the cabin.
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02-12-2013, 20:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WarCry
Be careful/certain what you're listening to, because reports from about an hour, 90 mins before you posted this were saying the police/sheriffs/LEO in the area were shutting down the informatio that scanners would pick up.
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While I agree to be careful, I'm certain what I heard was the San Bernadino Sheriff's Dept. That was the last transmission before their channel was shut down. 15 mins later, after some media recaps the house was shown fully engulfed.
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02-12-2013, 20:42
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Originally Posted by Maine
While I agree to be careful, I'm certain what I heard was the San Bernadino Sheriff's Dept. That was the last transmission before their channel was shut down. 15 mins later, after some media recaps the house was shown fully engulfed.
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CS munitions are of two types. The heat-producing variety are called "burners" in some places.
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02-12-2013, 20:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WarCry
CNN is reporting that authorities are confirming the body of Dorner has been removed from the cabin.
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Also CBS & the AP. Reportedly, LA Mayor tells Telemundo "it's over". LAPD news conference scheduled for 11 EST.
Prayers for victims & families.
good riddance for pos perp
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02-12-2013, 20:50
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Originally Posted by Sam Spade
CS munitions are of two types. The heat-producing variety are called "burners" in some places.
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Thank you, I was unaware of this fact. Maybe that was the gas I heard being discussed on the San Bernadino County channel after the Sheriff's scanner was turned out completely.
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02-12-2013, 21:02
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Glad the ordeal is over. Sorry the cost was so high.
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02-12-2013, 21:02
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I posted this in the shootout thread, in regards to the fire, and believe it should be posted here for any of the conspiracy theorists...
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Originally Posted by txleapd
Legally speaking It doesn't really matter if the fire started because cops pumped CS canisters and flashbangs in the house, or if they doused it in gas and lit a match themselves.
He murdered at least 5 people. The cops had been in a sustained gunfight with him, he was reasonably believed to be in possession of a .50 cal rifle, and was a continuing threat.
Deadly force is deadly force. If its authorized, it doesn't matter if you use a hammer, a handgun, or a house fire.
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02-12-2013, 21:07
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LAPD is now saying no body has been recovered/identified at this point.
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02-12-2013, 21:08
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Originally Posted by txleapd
I posted this in the shootout thread, in regards to the fire, and believe it should be posted here for any of the conspiracy theorists...
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I agree with you completely. I only posted about the fire to keep facts in the thread in a time of great media spin. I am not in the group of tinfoil and or theories.
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02-12-2013, 21:26
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Originally Posted by WarCry
LAPD is now saying no body has been recovered/identified at this point.
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Recovered, yes. Identified, no.
That's what I got.
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02-12-2013, 21:41
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Originally Posted by metal
The Tin foil types are going to have a field day.
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If the guy was as slick as reported he may not be dead.  He may come back like a zombie..just like the movies. e really won't know for at least a week.
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02-12-2013, 22:15
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If the guy was as slick as reported he may not be dead. He may come back like a zombie..just like the movies. e really won't know for at least a week. |
Who reported how slick he was? Oh, that's right, he did.
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02-12-2013, 22:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maine
Am I the only one who heard on the San Bernardino County Sheriff Sysyem police scanner 2 officers talking and one said he "can see blood splatter and mattress against the wall" and the other officer said "ok were gonna burn it as planned". This was 15 mins before the media had any video or commentary on a fire. I also heard a woman dispatcher say "the furnace was in place at the front door"..
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Scanner recording here, clearly showing the cops intentionally started the fire.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdqy...ayer_embedded#!
Regardless of what you feel about Dorner, we can not allow the rule of law to be pushed aside whenever it is expedient, particularly when that power is in the hands of the gov't. That's how this country got into the mess it's in now.
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02-12-2013, 22:49
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Originally Posted by G19G20
Scanner recording here, clearly showing the cops intentionally started the fire.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdqy...ayer_embedded#!
Regardless of what you feel about Dorner, we can not allow the rule of law to be pushed aside whenever it is expedient, particularly when that power is in the hands of the gov't. That's how this country got into the mess it's in now. |
You're insane if you think police shouldn't be allowed to answer deadly force with deadly force.
Even if they did intend to burn him alive, why is that worse than a sniper bullet to the head?
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02-12-2013, 22:54
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Originally Posted by G19G20
Scanner recording here, clearly showing the cops intentionally started the fire.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdqy...ayer_embedded#!
Regardless of what you feel about Dorner, we can not allow the rule of law to be pushed aside whenever it is expedient, particularly when that power is in the hands of the gov't. That's how this country got into the mess it's in now. |
Yea they should allow him to use a 50 cal rifle and keep murdering people till he runs out of ammo right? Do you understand what a deadly force situation is? Do you understand what a sustained gun battle is? What a murderer armed to the teeth and who is also trained happens to be?
The only reason this is even being discussed is so this can be dragged out in the media for the next year or two and how all the bleeding hearts can cry about something new.
This man was a murdering POS that was involved in an active gun battle with police and the police were taking causalities. If it had been civilians with pitchforks and torches we would not be discussing rule of law...
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02-12-2013, 22:55
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Originally Posted by G19G20
Scanner recording here, clearly showing the cops intentionally started the fire.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdqy...ayer_embedded#!
Regardless of what you feel about Dorner, we can not allow the rule of law to be pushed aside whenever it is expedient, particularly when that power is in the hands of the gov't. That's how this country got into the mess it's in now. |
"copy, seven (7) burners deployed and we have a fire"
Is that what you're referring to?
If I'm not mistaken a burner is also some type of CS gas? As someone else noted here, a better expert can speak on this.
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02-12-2013, 22:58
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"Hey you in the house shooting our cops over here with that rifle! We are sure gonna use the legal system on you when you run out of ammo!"
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