Home Forums Classifieds Blogs Today's Posts Search Social Groups



  
SIGN-UP
Notices

Glock Talk
Welcome To The Glock Talk Forums.

 
  
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-11-2013, 14:59   #261
golls17
Lifetime Newbie
 
golls17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 2,563
Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeG19 View Post
I can't agree that this is terrorism. It's threats, made to a specific group of people, some of which he made good on. There is no political, economic, or religious motivation behind his actions, just good, old fashioned revenge (albeit unjustified).


Posted using Outdoor Hub Campfire
He's using violence and inducing fear to push his racism agenda. He's already got blood on his hands, and he's going to take out whoever he can. Just because it won't be officially declared terrorism doesn't mean it doesn't fit. It's one person changing the behavior of people in multiple states, and it's the fear that's sparking that change.

You don't have to use a bomb or rack up a body count in the hundreds to be a terrorist.
__________________
I'm a newbie. Always have been, always will be... "Fire up the roof."
Quote:
Remember every day that you don't train or workout, a bad guy does.
My comments are my own opinions and are not intended to be interpreted as the position of my department.


Last edited by golls17; 02-11-2013 at 15:00..
golls17 is offline  
Old 02-11-2013, 15:05   #262
WarCry
Senior Member
 
WarCry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: IL, on the banks of the Muddy River
Posts: 7,861
Quote:
Originally Posted by golls17 View Post
He's using violence and inducing fear to push his racism agenda.
I disagree with this part. He's using race as an excuse to push a personal agenda. He's not pushing a racist agenda.

He's a spoiled rotten brat, frankly, and he's throwing a temper-tantrum because he didn't get his way. The only difference between him and a 4 year old in the candy aisle is a 4 year old can only stomp their feet and make some noise.

This guy is exceptionally dangerous, and I'm not implying he should be underestimated in any way. But as far as his motivation, it's no different than the 4 year old that didn't get the candy he wanted.
__________________
"I'm your priest, your shrink, your main connection to the switchboard of souls. I'm the Magic Man, the Santa Claus of the Subconscious. You say it, you even think it, you can have it." - Lenny Nero
WarCry is offline  
Old 02-11-2013, 15:07   #263
RyanBDawg
Senior Member
 
RyanBDawg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Ooltewah Tennessee
Posts: 4,213
Quote:
Originally Posted by CAcop View Post
I figured that is why they scaled back their search. No point in looking when you won't find him until the snow melts.
Cop Talk


Posted using Outdoor Hub Campfire
__________________
"I have a very strict gun control policy: if there's a gun around, I want to be in control of it."
- Clint Eastwood

Glock 26 w/CTC Lasergrips, and Trijicon Sights = Daily Carry
RyanBDawg is offline  
Old 02-11-2013, 16:03   #264
robrides85
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 339
Quote:
Originally Posted by CAcop View Post
The whole confusion of some over the whole lying is a career ender in LE makes me realize how different we are from our neighbors. For some lying is part of the job, sales, politics, etc. For us lying puts you on the Brady List of your DA. In CA they are starting to share Brady Lists among the DA offices. They are even starting to put non LE on Brady Lists. Although non LE Brady Listers are ususally only there because they lied under oath not because they told their boss they were sick when they weren't.
I'd read the below link recently; didn't know about the Brady List until you posted about it. Good to know, and happy to have that check/balance in place on police.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/op...oath.html?_r=0
robrides85 is offline  
Old 02-11-2013, 16:25   #265
Keeperofthedew
Senior Member
 
Keeperofthedew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Central Illinois
Posts: 521
Quote:
Originally Posted by metal View Post
Has anyone posted this yet?
Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil
http://m.now.msn.com/christopher-dor...get-on-us-soil
Did you read it?
Typical media melodrama.
He is a target for drone surveillance; they're trying to find this POS, not vaporize via drone missile.
__________________
Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking.
--Ferdinand Foch-- at the Battle of the Marne
Keeperofthedew is offline  
Old 02-11-2013, 16:33   #266
metal
Senior Member
 
metal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Not quite Detroit
Posts: 647
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keeperofthedew View Post
Did you read it?
Typical media melodrama.
He is a target for drone surveillance; they're trying to find this POS, not vaporize via drone missile.
Damn, I was kinda hoping that was the case, oh well
__________________
"You can't arrest me because ___________", hilarity ensues....
metal is online now  
Old 02-11-2013, 17:05   #267
Patchman
Florist
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Land of Flora, Fauna & Merriweather
Posts: 13,248
I have to ask... this Big Bear location LE is searching, is it the same Big Bear lake area that Jeff Cooper developed his modern pistol techniques?


http://www.gunsite.com/main/about/
__________________
Although many good citizens own and carry guns, keeping communities safe still fall on those who carry badges.

In a gunfight, even if you do everything right, you can still get killed.
Patchman is offline  
Old 02-11-2013, 17:18   #268
Marlowe
Senior Member
 
Marlowe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Ventura County, CA
Posts: 311
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patchman View Post
I have to ask... this Big Bear location LE is searching, is it the same Big Bear lake area that Jeff Cooper developed his modern pistol techniques?


http://www.gunsite.com/main/about/
Yes, same area.
__________________
"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." President John F. Kennedy
Marlowe is offline  
Old 02-11-2013, 17:43   #269
Marlowe
Senior Member
 
Marlowe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Ventura County, CA
Posts: 311
Quote:
Originally Posted by RWBlue View Post
There is not one state or Fed agency to run the show?
No. It's a collaborative effort, with brass from all involved agencies present in a joint command center in the metro LA area.

Everybody will have a different piece of this.

Lots of moving parts, varied locations, wide span of geographical areas, and not just in CA.

This isn't the fire service, with a bunch of agencies under a single unified command fighting a wildfire.

As for the Feds, their role is to support and facilitate the effort...to include at the national level...setting leads to federal agencies across the country and even internationally, if need be.

Boiled down, Dorner is a murder suspect in flight to avoid prosecution. The murders occurred in two different counties, with different police departments and District Attorneys.

So, let's say the FBI were to locate and arrest Dorner in Nevada...he would be initially arrested for Unlawful Flight to Avoid Prosecution (UFAP), a federal charge. However, as soon as the local prosecutors are ready, the UFAP charge is typically dismissed and the local police eventually take him into custody and he is eventually charged with murder.

They will have to figure out where to prosecute him first: the double homicide in Orange County or the police murder in Riverside County? Both are Capitol crimes under CA law.

Complicated stuff. A lot of stakeholders and a lot of politics.
__________________
"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." President John F. Kennedy

Last edited by Marlowe; 02-11-2013 at 17:45..
Marlowe is offline  
Old 02-11-2013, 17:51   #270
hd67xlch
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: florida
Posts: 485
I keep hearing on the news how this guy is mentally unstable, well thats obvious. But whats not obvious is how the LAPD and US Navy were not able to pick up on this during his time in both.
__________________
"politics is like the stock market: Its bad business for those who cant afford to lose"
hd67xlch is offline  
Old 02-11-2013, 17:53   #271
jdavionic
NRA Member
 
jdavionic's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 12,456
Assuming it was killer on the call, it appears he was alive on Thursday...unfortunately.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#axzz2Kaq3TBqB
__________________
- JD

"No matter how bad it gets, if you're still alive it's just another bad day."
jdavionic is offline  
Old 02-11-2013, 18:00   #272
RyanBDawg
Senior Member
 
RyanBDawg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Ooltewah Tennessee
Posts: 4,213
Quote:
Originally Posted by hd67xlch View Post
I keep hearing on the news how this guy is mentally unstable, well thats obvious. But whats not obvious is how the LAPD and US Navy were not able to pick up on this during his time in both.
The news. Ha, that's a good one.


Posted using Outdoor Hub Campfire
__________________
"I have a very strict gun control policy: if there's a gun around, I want to be in control of it."
- Clint Eastwood

Glock 26 w/CTC Lasergrips, and Trijicon Sights = Daily Carry
RyanBDawg is offline  
Old 02-11-2013, 18:24   #273
Detectorist
Senior Member
 
Detectorist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Missouri
Posts: 8,575
I hope he doesn't decide to do the car bomb thing. He sure has enough hate in him to.
__________________
NASM-Certified Personal Trainer

The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place”. George Bernard Shaw
Detectorist is online now  
Old 02-11-2013, 18:34   #274
RussP
Moderator
 
RussP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Central Virginia
Posts: 45,178
Blog Entries: 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patchman View Post
I have to ask... this Big Bear location LE is searching, is it the same Big Bear lake area that Jeff Cooper developed his modern pistol techniques?


http://www.gunsite.com/main/about/
There's a photo somewhere of "the guys" lined up. I'll try to find it.
__________________
Freedom has a taste to those who fight and almost die, that the protected will never know.

"Comment is free, but facts are sacred." C.P. Scott, 1921

Last edited by RussP; 02-11-2013 at 18:37..
RussP is offline  
Old 02-11-2013, 18:41   #275
txleapd
Hook 'Em Up
 
txleapd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: TX
Posts: 6,267
Quote:
Originally Posted by hd67xlch View Post
I keep hearing on the news how this guy is mentally unstable, well thats obvious. But whats not obvious is how the LAPD and US Navy were not able to pick up on this during his time in both.
I will assume that affirmative action had nothing to do with it.
__________________
1911 Club #75
Kahr Club #286
Lone Star Glockers #919


"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity” Sigmund Freud
txleapd is offline  
Old 02-11-2013, 18:45   #276
RussP
Moderator
 
RussP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Central Virginia
Posts: 45,178
Blog Entries: 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by hd67xlch View Post
I keep hearing on the news how this guy is mentally unstable, well thats obvious. But whats not obvious is how the LAPD and US Navy were not able to pick up on this during his time in both.
Latent Mental Illness finally triggered by certain events.
__________________
Freedom has a taste to those who fight and almost die, that the protected will never know.

"Comment is free, but facts are sacred." C.P. Scott, 1921
RussP is offline  
Old 02-11-2013, 19:11   #277
CW Mock
Senior Member
 
CW Mock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,869
Guys like this can pass for "normal" for quite a while until one day they don't get their way, and they snap.

I'm guessing this guy started to come un-spun, and then he was let go. Only the people close to him might have had a faint idea he was truly unstable. No telling how he got through the hiring process with the LAPD - I am not familiar with their hiring practices and backgrounds. I do know my agency looks pretty close at applicants, and we get an occasional "leaker" too.

Nothing is perfect, and "real" psychos can lay low and look normal for a really long time before blowing up.

I have heard rumors that this guy choked another recruit in the Academy. That makes me wonder why he was retained, but then again I don't know the details there either. All I can gather is from this manifesto, he's got some hurt feelings and figures cold blooded murder of random people will make it better.

Kind of like a demented four year old having a tantrum with access to an automatic rifle. Pretty spooky.

Last edited by CW Mock; 02-11-2013 at 19:12..
CW Mock is offline  
Old 02-11-2013, 19:15   #278
akapennypincher
Glock-O-Holic
 
akapennypincher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Sonora Desert Arizona USA
Posts: 6,493
Murder charge filed...

Dist. Atty. Paul Zellerbach said Dorner has been charged with one count of murder, with special circumstance allegations in the killing of a peace officer and the discharge of a firearm from a vehicle, in the death of Riverside police Officer Michael Crain, 34, a married father who served two tours in Kuwait as a rifleman in the U.S. Marines.
akapennypincher is offline  
Old 02-11-2013, 19:20   #279
Patchman
Florist
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Land of Flora, Fauna & Merriweather
Posts: 13,248
Quote:
Originally Posted by RussP View Post
There's a photo somewhere of "the guys" lined up. I'll try to find it.
I know the photo you're referring to.
__________________
Although many good citizens own and carry guns, keeping communities safe still fall on those who carry badges.

In a gunfight, even if you do everything right, you can still get killed.
Patchman is offline  
Old 02-11-2013, 19:21   #280
DustyJacket
Gold Membership
Directiv 10-289
 
DustyJacket's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Missouri, East of KC
Posts: 6,198
Quote:
Originally Posted by hd67xlch View Post
I keep hearing on the news how this guy is mentally unstable, well thats obvious. But whats not obvious is how the LAPD and US Navy were not able to pick up on this during his time in both.
There were signs, assuming he is not lying in his rant.

He is violent in situations that don't call for violence:

(1) In first grade he kicked and punched another for calling him the N-word. And he continued the same violence through high school. Yeah, a physical reaction would be very understandable, but this shows a pattern.

(2) While in the academy, in a large van, 2 other officers (cadets?) were talking about (N-word)s. Dorner told them to stop, and they responded they would do it whenever they liked. (They apparently were not referring to Dorner.)

According to Dorner, he went over the front seat, and other officers, to grab the offending idiot by the throat, leading to what sounds like a mêlée in the van.
(He says he should have just shot him in the head.)

This second thing, if true, shows a worsening pattern of violence and the lack of self control, and maybe even the thoughts of committing murder.

Inappropriate behavior in that setting - there are others ways of dealing with it. Especially when still in the Academy.

At this point, assuming all is true, I would have dismissed Dorner from the Academy, and black-balled him from law enforcement. He did not have sufficient self-control to handle life as a street cop. (And taken serious action against the other two, up to dismissal, depending on what actually was being said.)

His actions now bear that opinion out.
__________________
"...our quick technology allows use to indulge our deepest stupidity and tastelessness with out first thinking...."

Last edited by DustyJacket; 02-11-2013 at 19:24..
DustyJacket is offline  

 
  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:53.




Homepage
FAQ
Forums
Calendar
Advertise
Gallery
GT Wiki
GT Blogs
Social Groups
Classifieds


Users Currently Online: 636
154 Members
482 Guests

Most users ever online: 2,672
Aug 11, 2014 at 2:31