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Old 02-11-2013, 11:42   #251
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Wonder how much is that going to be after CA's massive taxes?
Oh SNAP!!!!!
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:44   #252
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Gallium, thanks for the introduction! Good to know who's who in the zoo!
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:50   #253
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I can't imagine the guy not having another vehicle ready for when he dumped his truck. Keep your heads down folks.
That's the worrisome thing...you can't rule that out that he had or acquired other transportation, so the hunt continues.

The impact on local police agencies continues...everyone on an elevated alert level.

One thing I'd like to point out to those not from the LA area, often I see people referring to LAPD's search for the suspect. They are heavily involved, naturally...but so are many, many agencies. The incidents in which Dorner has figured cover numerous jurisidictions--

Big Bear isn't in the City of Los Angeles, for instance. So the Sheriff's Office there leads the search effort. Irvine PD has the lead on the double homicide in its city; Riverside PD on the murder of its officers; Corona PD on the shooting there; Torrance PD on the shootings there.

Federal agencies are supporting the effort as well...

So, no one agency is running the whole show.
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Old 02-11-2013, 13:06   #254
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It really is domestic terrorism, an individual whose terrorist activities are directed at elements of our government or population without foreign direction.

In this case, personal revenge is the motivation according to what he wrote. Clear his name and the killing stops is the same as holding hostages wanting to exchange them for something or someone of value. Only the hostage is an element of the executive branch of the State of California, City of Los Angeles and related organizations and agencies.
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So, no one agency is running the whole show.
There is not one state or Fed agency to run the show?
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It really is domestic terrorism, an individual whose terrorist activities are directed at elements of our government or population without foreign direction.

In this case, personal revenge is the motivation according to what he wrote. Clear his name and the killing stops is the same as holding hostages wanting to exchange them for something or someone of value. Only the hostage is an element of the executive branch of the State of California, City of Los Angeles and related organizations and agencies.
Now imagine three people, with any modicum of training who slipped across our southern border into the USA, drove 1000+ miles inland, acclimatized to the locality they are in for 18-24 months, built up a cache, only met face to face, planned extensively and decided to make a go at it in a place not as hardened as NYC or L.A.

**** like that keeps me up at night.
1) From thinking about it and
2) From figuring how I could make a really scary movie without giving anyone ideas.
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There is not one state or Fed agency to run the show?
At some point I assume the FBI will become ring master, but at a more granular state each of those listed agencies will continue to push at their own levels while feeding into the feebs.

If memory serves me correct, does CA have something similiar to MN's BCI? CBI? (and no, this is not from TV )
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At some point I assume the FBI will become ring master, but at a more granular state each of those listed agencies will continue to push at their own levels while feeding into the feebs.

If memory serves me correct, does CA have something similiar to MN's BCI? CBI? (and no, this is not from TV )
CHP?
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I can't agree that this is terrorism. It's threats, made to a specific group of people, some of which he made good on. There is no political, economic, or religious motivation behind his actions, just good, old fashioned revenge (albeit unjustified).


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CHP?

Not CHP.

I think (actually assume ) that the CBI is more geared towards this sort of thing than CHP is...
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I can't agree that this is terrorism. It's threats, made to a specific group of people, some of which he made good on. There is no political, economic, or religious motivation behind his actions, just good, old fashioned revenge (albeit unjustified).


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He's using violence and inducing fear to push his racism agenda. He's already got blood on his hands, and he's going to take out whoever he can. Just because it won't be officially declared terrorism doesn't mean it doesn't fit. It's one person changing the behavior of people in multiple states, and it's the fear that's sparking that change.

You don't have to use a bomb or rack up a body count in the hundreds to be a terrorist.
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Old 02-11-2013, 14:05   #262
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He's using violence and inducing fear to push his racism agenda.
I disagree with this part. He's using race as an excuse to push a personal agenda. He's not pushing a racist agenda.

He's a spoiled rotten brat, frankly, and he's throwing a temper-tantrum because he didn't get his way. The only difference between him and a 4 year old in the candy aisle is a 4 year old can only stomp their feet and make some noise.

This guy is exceptionally dangerous, and I'm not implying he should be underestimated in any way. But as far as his motivation, it's no different than the 4 year old that didn't get the candy he wanted.
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Old 02-11-2013, 14:07   #263
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I figured that is why they scaled back their search. No point in looking when you won't find him until the snow melts.
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Old 02-11-2013, 15:03   #264
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The whole confusion of some over the whole lying is a career ender in LE makes me realize how different we are from our neighbors. For some lying is part of the job, sales, politics, etc. For us lying puts you on the Brady List of your DA. In CA they are starting to share Brady Lists among the DA offices. They are even starting to put non LE on Brady Lists. Although non LE Brady Listers are ususally only there because they lied under oath not because they told their boss they were sick when they weren't.
I'd read the below link recently; didn't know about the Brady List until you posted about it. Good to know, and happy to have that check/balance in place on police.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/op...oath.html?_r=0
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Has anyone posted this yet?
Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil
http://m.now.msn.com/christopher-dor...get-on-us-soil
Did you read it?
Typical media melodrama.
He is a target for drone surveillance; they're trying to find this POS, not vaporize via drone missile.
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Old 02-11-2013, 15:33   #266
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Did you read it?
Typical media melodrama.
He is a target for drone surveillance; they're trying to find this POS, not vaporize via drone missile.
Damn, I was kinda hoping that was the case, oh well
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Old 02-11-2013, 16:05   #267
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I have to ask... this Big Bear location LE is searching, is it the same Big Bear lake area that Jeff Cooper developed his modern pistol techniques?


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I have to ask... this Big Bear location LE is searching, is it the same Big Bear lake area that Jeff Cooper developed his modern pistol techniques?


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Yes, same area.
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There is not one state or Fed agency to run the show?
No. It's a collaborative effort, with brass from all involved agencies present in a joint command center in the metro LA area.

Everybody will have a different piece of this.

Lots of moving parts, varied locations, wide span of geographical areas, and not just in CA.

This isn't the fire service, with a bunch of agencies under a single unified command fighting a wildfire.

As for the Feds, their role is to support and facilitate the effort...to include at the national level...setting leads to federal agencies across the country and even internationally, if need be.

Boiled down, Dorner is a murder suspect in flight to avoid prosecution. The murders occurred in two different counties, with different police departments and District Attorneys.

So, let's say the FBI were to locate and arrest Dorner in Nevada...he would be initially arrested for Unlawful Flight to Avoid Prosecution (UFAP), a federal charge. However, as soon as the local prosecutors are ready, the UFAP charge is typically dismissed and the local police eventually take him into custody and he is eventually charged with murder.

They will have to figure out where to prosecute him first: the double homicide in Orange County or the police murder in Riverside County? Both are Capitol crimes under CA law.

Complicated stuff. A lot of stakeholders and a lot of politics.
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I keep hearing on the news how this guy is mentally unstable, well thats obvious. But whats not obvious is how the LAPD and US Navy were not able to pick up on this during his time in both.
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Assuming it was killer on the call, it appears he was alive on Thursday...unfortunately.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#axzz2Kaq3TBqB
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I keep hearing on the news how this guy is mentally unstable, well thats obvious. But whats not obvious is how the LAPD and US Navy were not able to pick up on this during his time in both.
The news. Ha, that's a good one.


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I hope he doesn't decide to do the car bomb thing. He sure has enough hate in him to.
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I have to ask... this Big Bear location LE is searching, is it the same Big Bear lake area that Jeff Cooper developed his modern pistol techniques?


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There's a photo somewhere of "the guys" lined up. I'll try to find it.
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I keep hearing on the news how this guy is mentally unstable, well thats obvious. But whats not obvious is how the LAPD and US Navy were not able to pick up on this during his time in both.
I will assume that affirmative action had nothing to do with it.
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