[tslex]

Look, honest, I am NOT a conspiracy guy. (i.e., I think Sandy Hook probably happened about how it has been portrayed).

But this Chris Dorner rampage out in LA, and the supposed "manifesto" he posted? It is just TOO handy, too direct for the gun control advocates.

I mean -- come on. Consider this excerpt:

If you had a well regulated AWB, this would not happen. The time is now to reinstitute a ban that will save lives. Why does any sportsman need a 30 round magazine for hunting? Why does anyone need a suppressor? Why does anyone need a AR15 rifle? This is the same small arms weapons system utilized in eradicating Al Qaeda, Taliban, and every enemy combatant since the Vietnam war. Don't give me that crap that its not a select fire or full auto rifle like the DoD uses. That's bull**** because troops who carry the M-4/M-16 weapon system for combat ops outside the wire rarely utilize the select fire function when in contact with enemy combatants. The use of select fire probably isn't even 1% in combat. So in essence, the AR-15 semiautomatic rifle is the same as the M-4/M-16. These do not need to be purchased as easily as walking to your local Walmart or striking the enter key on your keyboard to "add to cart". All the firearms utilized in my activities are registered to me and were legally purchased at gun stores and private party transfers. All concealable weapons (pistols) were also legally register in my name at police stations or FFL's. Unfortunately, are you aware that I obtained class III weapons (suppressors) without a background check thru NICS or DROS completely LEGALLY several times? I was able to use a trust account that I created on quicken will maker and a $10 notary charge at a mailbox etc. to obtain them legally. Granted, I am not a felon, nor have a DV misdemeanor conviction or active TRO against me on a NCIC file. I can buy any firearm I want, but should I be able to purchase these class III weapons (SBR's, and suppressors) without a background check and just a $10 notary signature on a quicken will maker program? The answer is NO. I'm not even a resident of the state i purchased them in. Lock n Load just wanted money so they allow you to purchase class III weapons with just a notarized trust, military ID. Shame on you, Lock n Load. NFA and ATF need new laws and policies that do not allow loopholes such as this. In the end, I hope that you will realize that the small arms I utilize should not be accessed with the ease that I obtained them. Who in there right mind needs a ****ing silencer!!! who needs a freaking SBR AR15? No one. No more Virginia Tech, Columbine HS, Wisconsin temple, Aurora theatre, Portland malls, Tucson rally, Newtown Sandy Hook. Whether by executive order or thru a bi-partisan congress an assault weapons ban needs to be re-instituted. Period!!!

You can read the whole rant at http://www.crimefilenews.com/ and other sites, although many media outlet have scrubbed even what they say is the unabridged manifesto.

But seriously, the guy goes out to kill cops and their families and sets down a manifesto that includes language that "if only there were an AWB I couldn't do this"? That seems more than a little too neat, no?

[hooligan74]

Did you read the rest of it? The dude was obviously a whack-a-loon. Stop trying to figure out what he meant. It is impossible to apply logic to the illogical.

[Ruble Noon]

Who knows? Our government did give drug cartels "assault weapons" with the intent that these guns would be used on our streets and which would cause an outpouring of desire for a new AWB.

Then there was that whole MK Ultra thing....

[cowboy1964]

He's just a madman.

[HarlDane]

I think even those in the Federal Government know that a crazed gunman in the middle of a killing spree isn't the most effective spokesperson for gun control.

[Annoyinglylongname]

Of course he's a madman. And he graduated from the police academy and passed that psyche test some of the boys in blue on here thinks somehow elevates them above the rest of us mere mortals.
This is precisely the reason i object to police departments or leos being allowed to have anything the rest of us cant have

[CAcop]

Originally Posted by Annoyinglylongname

Of course he's a madman. And he graduated from the police academy and passed that psyche test some of the boys in blue on here thinks somehow elevates them above the rest of us mere mortals.
This is precisely the reason i object to police departments or leos being allowed to have anything the rest of us cant have

I'd like to be able to have what people in other states have.

It would be interesting to peek into his psych test. I wonder if there were warning signs but they were ignore of other reasons. LAPD has done that before.

[Cavalry Doc]

I'm usually happy with 20 round mags. Any democrap gun grabber that wants to go stalking wild pigs in the dark, that can run in family packs of 20 or 30, and weigh over 400 pounds in country with mountain lions with me, and carry a bolt/lever/pump with a 5 round limit can if they want to.

It's really not about what I need, it's about what I want, and what I have a right too.

This guy is just another rabid dog that needs putting down.

[cowboy1964]

Oh, and if this was a setup or plant to garner support for the AWB and gun control, wouldn't it make more sense for them to make him out to be a PRO-gun nut, rather than an anti??

[maxsnafu]

Originally Posted by CAcop

It would be interesting to peek into his psych test. I wonder if there were warning signs but they were ignore of other reasons. LAPD has done that before.

Affirmative Action covers a multitude of sins.

[Kentak]

No conspiracy theories needed.

He's an angry, disturbed, disgruntled, fired ex-cop who blames others for his troubles and is lashing out. These happen now and then, similar loonies, different specific situations. It's why the term, "Going postal" was coined.

But, hey, conspiracy theories are fun.

[Kentak]

Originally Posted by cowboy1964

Oh, and if this was a setup or plant to garner support for the AWB and gun control, wouldn't it make more sense for them to make him out to be a PRO-gun nut, rather than an anti??

Bingo!

[snerd]

Originally Posted by Kentak

No conspiracy theories needed.

He's an angry, disturbed, disgruntled, fired ex-cop who blames others for his troubles and is lashing out. These happen now and then, similar loonies, different specific situations. It's why the term, "Going postal" was coined.

But, hey, conspiracy theories are fun.

Just a footnote......... I was living in Edmond, OK in 1986. I believe it was a Tuesday, about 2:00pm. I called the post office to inquire about a package they were holding for me. The lady who answered said "I'm sorry, the post office is closed." It didn't dawn on me until after I hung up that it was only 2:00pm on a weekday. I called back, no one answered. I heard the news a few hours later.

On Aug. 20, 1986, gunman Patrick Henry Sherrill shot and killed 14 co-workers, wounded six and then took his own life inside the post office where he worked.

http://amarillo.com/diana-baldwin/20...after-25-years

[tslex]

Originally Posted by hooligan74

Did you read the rest of it? The dude was obviously a whack-a-loon. Stop trying to figure out what he meant. It is impossible to apply logic to the illogical.

Look, I know this is true. I do.

But , , , geesh.

[tslex]

Originally Posted by Kentak

No conspiracy theories needed.

He's an angry, disturbed, disgruntled, fired ex-cop who blames others for his troubles and is lashing out. These happen now and then, similar loonies, different specific situations. It's why the term, "Going postal" was coined.

But, hey, conspiracy theories are fun.

All true. It's just reading talking points from the CSGV in the manifesto , , , ,

[JFrame]

Originally Posted by cowboy1964

Oh, and if this was a setup or plant to garner support for the AWB and gun control, wouldn't it make more sense for them to make him out to be a PRO-gun nut, rather than an anti??

Hmmm...

Okay -- case closed...


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[Cavalry Doc]

Originally Posted by cowboy1964

Oh, and if this was a setup or plant to garner support for the AWB and gun control, wouldn't it make more sense for them to make him out to be a PRO-gun nut, rather than an anti??

Good observation. Anti-gun Obama voter gun grabbing supporters are the reason I want and have a right to high capacity magazines.

Romney voters are much less likely to be roving in bands of brigands looking for food when the handouts stop.

[Kentak]

Originally Posted by snerd

Just a footnote......... I was living in Edmond, OK in 1986. I believe it was a Tuesday, about 2:00pm. I called the post office to inquire about a package they were holding for me. The lady who answered said "I'm sorry, the post office is closed." It didn't dawn on me until after I hung up that it was only 2:00pm on a weekday. I called back, no one answered. I heard the news a few hours later.

That must have been an "Oh Crap" moment.

[tslex]

Look at the number of bullet holes in this truck. Note the color and model of the truck, which contained two women.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...omen-shot.html

Let's see. . . the guy we're looking for is a black male with a shaved head. He stands 6-3 and goes 270 pounds. He's driving a dark-colored Nissan Titan. Hmmmm. Yeah, let's take the shot.

Sigh.

[akroguy]

Originally Posted by Cavalry Doc

I'm usually happy with 20 round mags.

Me too. The 30-35 rounders are too long for firing in prone position.

[RussP]

Originally Posted by cowboy1964

Oh, and if this was a setup or plant to garner support for the AWB and gun control, wouldn't it make more sense for them to make him out to be a PRO-gun nut, rather than an anti??

Wouldn't matter.

I believe the media is using "shoulder fired weapon" to describe the firearm. How soon will that become part of the legislative lexicon?

[TJ Superfly]

I think this is a case to show why you might need a 30 round magazine. If my family were in lockdown mode at home in the Big Bear area right now. I would want all the firepower possible to protect myself from this guy.

[CAcop]

Originally Posted by tslex

Look at the number of bullet holes in this truck. Note the color and model of the truck, which contained two women.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...omen-shot.html

Let's see. . . the guy we're looking for is a black male with a shaved head. He stands 6-3 and goes 270 pounds. He's driving a dark-colored Nissan Titan. Hmmmm. Yeah, let's take the shot.

Sigh.

Time of day?

Lighting conditions?

Did the officers know at the time what make/model of truck they were looking for?

Any signs of erratic driving?

Failure to obey commands to stop?

Do dangerous suspects change vehicles to escape detection?

Do dangerous suspects change plates to escape detection?

Do dangerous suspects enlist family members or friends to assist them in criminal enterprises?

I could go on with a series of questionsI would be asking the officers and witnesses.

IIRC you are an attorney.

What does Graham vs. Connor say?

[tslex]

CA Cop, all fair questions, all considerations for the officers taking the shots, and -- yes -- all factors to apply to determine if the use of force was objectively reasonable. (I'll even concede that all, or most, are questions for which I don't know the answer as to this shoot.)

So, is it possible that the photo in the news story is a picture of the aftermath of the exercise of reasonable force? It is possible. Is it possible that it is something far less? Also possible.

All that said, this is not the only instance connected with the hunt for Dorner where innocents have been harmed by LEOs. That cannot be a part of the plan and you cannot be pleased by that yourself.

I hope you guys out there put this guy down soon and that nobody else gets hurt. I hope you are watching your six, as well. And I get that tensions must necessarily be running very high -- humans are human, after all, badge or no.

I will say this: I drive a Brown 2004 Nissan Titan and I'm 6-1 240. You can be damned sure if I lived in LA that truck would be in the garage right now, until this guy gets taken out.

[And in case it's not clear: No, I don't really think this is some kind of false flag. I just found the manifesto, I dunno, "too handy."]

[CAcop]

Originally Posted by tslex

CA Cop, all fair questions, all considerations for the officers taking the shots, and -- yes -- all factors to apply to determine if the use of force was objectively reasonable. (I'll even concede that all, or most, are questions for which I don't know the answer as to this shoot.)

So, is it possible that the photo in the news story is a picture of the aftermath of the exercise of reasonable force? It is possible. Is it possible that it is something far less? Also possible.

All that said, this is not the only instance connected with the hunt for Dorner where innocents have been harmed by LEOs. That cannot be a part of the plan and you cannot be pleased by that yourself.

I hope you guys out there put this guy down soon and that nobody else gets hurt. I hope you are watching your six, as well. And I get that tensions must necessarily be running very high -- humans are human, after all, badge or no.

I will say this: I drive a Brown 2004 Nissan Titan and I'm 6-1 240. You can be damned sure if I lived in LA that truck would be in the garage right now, until this guy gets taken out.

[And in case it's not clear: No, I don't really think this is some kind of false flag. I just found the manifesto, I dunno, "too handy."]

I view the mistake of fact shootings in the case much like the Martin/Zimmerman case.

When the evidence is presented to me in a choherent and unemotional manner I will be better able to make a determination as to what charges, if any should be filed.

It is much like me showing up to a fender bender where both drivers are screaming at each other and me. Can I really conduct a good investigation at that point?