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Old 02-08-2013, 19:55   #121
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To the OP: you are either trolling, or really should read up a bit. In case you won't read, an image might put things into perspective for you.

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Great post. Gaston made Agreat gun. JMB made many.
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Old 02-08-2013, 19:58   #122
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I don't see this.

Glock designed a reliable, easy peasy firearm, bubbits or design team aside Glock has his name on the gun. Is Glock the greatest no, but he's probably copied as much as Browning. Is there any company left that's not trying to make a Glock like polymer/striker style gun?

Browning designed the locking system, ok that’s great. So did every bow Fred Bear make, was that a copy from the Native Indians after all they made one first?

China came up with gunpowder, so is every gun that uses gun powder a Chinese copy? Maybe the guy that first used a lead bullet everyone copies that too......

Browning’s designs were good. They were also specialized and somewhat difficult, they kept gun smiths in work for a lot of years. You could possibly rob parts from another gun and maybe it would work, maybe it would take some craftsmanship to fit the part to make it work reliably.

I tried to give Browning his due so some of you folks wouldn't get upset, apparently I gotta drink the entire Browning salmon juice and nothing else. Can we just agree to disagree?

I think I wrote several posts back that I don't know every Browning design like the back of my hand like some of you, but from some replies apparently you are not that familiar with the Glock design as well.
Except glock copied the striker fired/polymer thing. Maybe you vcould tell us what glock did FIRST, before everyone else?You seem to be of the opinion that a 1911 is a super finicky and difficult firearm. In its combat form this couldnt be further from the truth.
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Old 02-08-2013, 20:17   #123
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Gaston Glock didn't design squat. The dude that designed his gun went to design the Caracal. Gaston Glock may ow Glock, Inc. which is responsible for the pistol but he isn't a gun designer.


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Old 02-08-2013, 20:18   #124
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At this point it's willful ignorance, which is waaaayyy worse.

One needn't be a card carrying 1911 fanatic to realize, without thinking much, that Glock is nowhere near Browning's level as far as gun design is concerned. I actually prefer a Glock to a 1911, but really now.

Glock invented a pretty good service pistol that's been very popular over the last few decades. Browning provided the groundwork for damn near everything firearms related, save revolvers and bolt action rifles, that's come out in the last 125 years or so. Like someone already said, without Browning, there is no Glock.
It's as if he is trying to argue that The Chinese space program is better than anything the US did because it is newer and stole US technology



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Old 02-08-2013, 20:25   #125
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Except glock copied the striker fired/polymer thing.
ORLY?? Copied it close enough to get sued like S&W did?

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Maybe you vcould tell us what glock did FIRST, before everyone else?
Captured a large overseas military market, an LE market in the U.S.A. that he still has more than 65% of and seems to hold that position well. All of which made him very wealthy and at the same time really po's most JMB fans. Created ONE firearm that still draws more controversy/ attention than most domestic brands.

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You seem to be of the opinion that a 1911 is a super finicky and difficult firearm. In its combat form this couldnt be further from the truth.
I'm sorry did you read 1911 somewhere in my post? But to answer your question I haven’t seen any combat or combat1911's in use, just the custom models that seem to be the rage these days.
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Old 02-08-2013, 20:35   #126
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ORLY?? Copied it close enough to get sued like S&W did?



Captured a large overseas military market, an LE market in the U.S.A. that he still has more than 65% of and seems to hold that position well. All of which made him very wealthy and at the same time really po's most JMB fans. Created ONE firearm that still draws more controversy/ attention than most domestic brands.



I'm sorry did you read 1911 somewhere in my post? But to answer your question I haven’t seen any combat or combat1911's in use, just the custom models that seem to be the rage these days.
The hi power, BAR, and 1911 aren't/weren't weapons used by large LE and military agencies?

Browning invented how weapons functioned. Far different than putting a parts kit together in a plastic frame like glock


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Old 02-08-2013, 20:44   #127
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ORLY?? Copied it close enough to get sued like S&W did?



Captured a large overseas military market, an LE market in the U.S.A. that he still has more than 65% of and seems to hold that position well. All of which made him very wealthy and at the same time really po's most JMB fans. Created ONE firearm that still draws more controversy/ attention than most domestic brands.



I'm sorry did you read 1911 somewhere in my post? But to answer your question I haven’t seen any combat or combat1911's in use, just the custom models that seem to be the rage these days.
1. what exactly does that have to do with glock being innovative? Just because someone copies your design doesnt mean that you are the extreme innovator. Look at automotive industry lawsuits. Glock has certainly done its fair share of copying, this argument goes nowhere.

2. Glock has a large market share of LE guns because they but the old ones at a generous price, offer cheap accesories, and will sell them cheaper than anyone else. It has nothing to do with being the best on the market, simply the cheapest.

3. You didnt mention 1911s? what about:
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They were also specialized and somewhat difficult, they kept gun smiths in work for a lot of years. You could possibly rob parts from another gun and maybe it would work, maybe it would take some craftsmanship to fit the part to make it work reliably.
I guess you were referring to the Ma Duece there, huh?

Also, if you cant think of a single combat useage of the m1911a1 than the just proves your absolute ignorance of this topic. Everyone else here is having a hell of a laugh at the expense of your stupidity, and it just gets better every time you post.
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Old 02-08-2013, 20:50   #128
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The striker fired pistol design dates to around 1900. As was said polymer had been used in handguns for over a decade before glock came around. It's no comparison.
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Old 02-08-2013, 20:54   #129
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Except glock copied the striker fired/polymer thing. Maybe you vcould tell us what glock did FIRST, before everyone else?You seem to be of the opinion that a 1911 is a super finicky and difficult firearm. In its combat form this couldnt be further from the truth.
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1. what exactly does that have to do with glock being innovative? Just because someone copies your design doesnt mean that you are the extreme innovator. Look at automotive industry lawsuits. Glock has certainly done its fair share of copying, this argument goes nowhere.

2. Glock has a large market share of LE guns because they but the old ones at a generous price, offer cheap accesories, and will sell them cheaper than anyone else. It has nothing to do with being the best on the market, simply the cheapest.

3. You didnt mention 1911s? what about:


I guess you were referring to the Ma Duece there, huh?

Also, if you cant think of a single combat useage of the m1911a1 than the just proves your absolute ignorance of this topic. Everyone else here is having a hell of a laugh at the expense of your stupidity, and it just gets better every time you post.
Please refer to post #113

JMB is awesome. Have a nice day.
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Old 02-08-2013, 20:57   #130
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Old 02-08-2013, 22:46   #131
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Hard to believe someone is really trying to debate if favor of GG. Talk about an open and shut case.

If JMB and GG were in the prison shower.....well GG would have some soapy hands trying to pick up that bar of Zest if you know what I mean.....
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Old 02-09-2013, 00:15   #132
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Browning’s designs were good.
Yes they are/were.

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They were also specialized
Every firearm is specialized.

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and somewhat difficult,
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they kept gun smiths in work for a lot of years.
Which designs kept the 'smiths busy, and why, exactly?

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You could possibly rob parts from another gun.
The fact is that it can be done,

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and maybe it would work,
It would work.

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maybe it would take some craftsmanship to fit the part to make it work reliably.
Military small arms have meet the toughest tests for reliability in the harshest conditions. They have be soldier proof. Parts have to interchange. Parts have to work from one weapon to the next. In short, military weapons have to work. John Browning designed a lot of military weapons that have served for decades and many wars.
Where do you come up with your ideas about firearms? Are you reading something that's factually wrong? Are you just making things up as you go along?
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Old 02-09-2013, 01:11   #133
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there any company left that's not trying to make a Glock like polymer/striker style gun?
The problem with that contention is that every company copying Glock is also copying JMB, since the entire short recoil locked breech tilt barrel action the Glock uses was a JMB principle.
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Old 02-09-2013, 01:26   #134
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The problem with that contention is that every company copying Glock is also copying JMB, since the entire short recoil locked breech tilt barrel action the Glock uses was a JMB principle.
Shhhh, don't go using common sense on him, that wont work!
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:29   #135
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Where do you come up with your ideas about firearms? Are you reading something that's factually wrong? Are you just making things up as you go along?
The guy is clearly a couple cans short of a 6-pack...

Somehow, he seems to think this a 1911 vs Glock debate, which is not the case.
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:36   #136
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The guy is clearly a couple cans short of a 6-pack...

Somehow, he seems to think this a 1911 vs Glock debate, which is not the case.
EXACTLY! The 1911, while many consider the greatest handgun ever, really wasnt JMBs greatest accompishment. His machine guns and his cartridge is still the BEST in use today by military.
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Old 02-09-2013, 09:36   #137
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Now, Gaston Glock:
Henry Ford did not invent the horseless carriage, but he DID invent a way to make the horseless carriage affordable and accessible to most workers.

That is a type of genius not to be dismissed.
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Henry Ford did not invent the horseless carriage, but he DID invent a way to make the horseless carriage affordable and accessible to most workers.

That is a type of genius not to be dismissed.
Guns were affordable and accessible well before Gaston Glock ever considered getting into the gun business.
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:21   #139
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Welcome to Glock Talk. You hit a nerve one your third post. Glaston Glock was able to bring several technologies together at the right time.

Glock is running the risk that old gun maker in the past have done such as Colt and Winchester. What have they done new? Colt had the 1911 market for decades and made the same gun the same way. They still don't checker the front strap or put in a decent trigger. You can buy a drop in trigger assembly from more than one manufacture. Maybe Colt should just buy them and put them in.

The point is Colt sat on their design while other past them buy. Look what Glock competition is doing. They are out "Glocking" Glock with their new pistols.

Many people have asked for a single stack Glock. Notice how many other pistols are offered in single stack? Now if Glock brings one out they lost those sales.

The world is full of one hit wonders, Debbie Boone and for younger GT'er the Magaraina*. If Glock doesn't get off their duff they will be a one hit gun maker.

As for John M Browning, he did more to preserve freedom for this country with his gun designs that we should have he birthday off instead of Columbus or MLK day. If I have read it right, he never charged the US government royalties for his patents. He thought it was his duty to his country.


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