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02-07-2013, 19:18
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Originally Posted by Stock Perfection
Interesting side note on Gaston Glock; It is said that he test fired his G1, G2, G3 etc etc, with his left hand in case of catastrophic failure.
Even a curtain rod maker with a chip on his shoulder should have been able to figure out a remote firing system. But so goes the tale...
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02-07-2013, 19:19
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Originally Posted by bac1023
GG designed one gun. ONE
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He also designed the .45 GAP. That round really changed the pistol world, didn't it?
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02-07-2013, 19:39
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Certainly not. Your fan boy brain just exploded.
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02-07-2013, 19:40
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Originally Posted by RyanSBHF
He also designed the .45 GAP. That round really changed the pistol world, didn't it? 
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Very true
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02-07-2013, 19:46
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Originally Posted by RyanBDawg
Gaston Glock is a toolmaker who made a fantastic, and utterly reliable tool which shoots bullets. I would say Gaston's most important contribution has been in materials which pistols (now) are made out of, and precision manufacturing.
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GG did not invent the polymer pistol. HK built the designed the first polymer frame pistol a good decade before.
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02-07-2013, 19:49
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Originally Posted by bac1023
GG did not invent the polymer pistol. HK built the designed the first polymer frame pistol a good decade before.
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Yes I know. He did build the first widely popular polymer handgun though.
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02-07-2013, 20:10
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Originally Posted by DeLo
Certainly not. Your fan boy brain just exploded.
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 Very succinct.
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02-07-2013, 20:17
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Originally Posted by RyanBDawg
Yes I know. He did build the first widely popular polymer handgun though.
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Very true, but he shouldn't be mentioned inthe same sentence as JMB.
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02-07-2013, 20:27
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Like hades!
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02-07-2013, 20:28
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Originally Posted by bac1023
Very true, but he shouldn't be mentioned inthe same sentence as JMB.
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The Kool Aid flows both ways here I see.
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02-07-2013, 20:36
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Originally Posted by Tiro Fijo
The Kool Aid flows both ways here I see.
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Did you even read the responses in this thread?
I'm not talking about the 1911. I'm talking about JMB's contribution to the firearms world compared to GG's.
By your idiotic response, are you saying Gaston is comparable? Come on, give me some examples. Back up your words for a change.
LEARN something about the history of firearms and you'll see that Kool-Aid is not required.
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02-07-2013, 20:43
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Originally Posted by Tiro Fijo
The Kool Aid flows both ways here I see.
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You have got to be kidding.
Start reading the history of each firearm that Browning designed. get in to the details and the concepts.. If that doesn't educate you it will at least keep you busy for a long time.
While you re at it try to come up with someone who was more prolific and created more successful separate designs.
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02-07-2013, 20:47
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All I am saying is that if the Death Star had a few M2s in that trench Luke would have been dead within 1 minute.
And you know Yoda was packin a 1911 under that robe.
Don't think GG design would ever change the fate of a galaxy far far away.......
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02-07-2013, 21:02
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Originally Posted by Tiro Fijo
The Kool Aid flows both ways here I see.
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Nope. John Browning clearly came up with more original concepts in his designs.
Gaston Glock did put together a good reliable firearm using previously developed concepts and technologies.
Was the Glock 17 the
1. First pistol using the Browning short recoil locking system? Nope.
2. First polymer framed pistol? Nope.
3. First high quality striker fired pistol? Nope.
4. First use of ferric nitrocarurizing? Nope.
The Browning short recoil locking system that Glock used on the 17 was John Browning's baby.
What mechanical concepts did Glock come up with that can compete with JMB Tiro?
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02-07-2013, 21:08
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Originally Posted by Tiro Fijo
The Kool Aid flows both ways here I see.
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Please explain how the Glock pistol would exist if it didn't use Browning's modified locking system.
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02-07-2013, 21:15
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02-07-2013, 21:18
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Originally Posted by G26S239
Nope. John Browning clearly came up with more original concepts in his designs.
Gaston Glock did put together a good reliable firearm using previously developed concepts and technologies.
Was the Glock 17 the
1. First pistol using the Browning short recoil locking system? Nope.
2. First polymer framed pistol? Nope.
3. First high quality striker fired pistol? Nope.
4. First use of ferric nitrocarurizing? Nope.
The Browning short recoil locking system that Glock used on the 17 was John Browning's baby.
What mechanical concepts did Glock come up with that can compete with JMB Tiro?
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Discovery Channel kinda of guy huh?
Am I the only one who had to look that one up?
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02-07-2013, 21:36
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Glock made a (one) design that was very successful. Requires very few parts that can be transferred to other firearms. I guess if anything he did one thing very well and made a fortune.
Browning- (Disclaimer) I am not a gun smith nor do I read every manual that Browning ever produced, but of the guns I have looked at they had several tiny small easy to lose or damage springs and levers inside.
Of the 1911's in particular (I know it's not his only gun design- I guess if he was so great there wouldn't have been a need for 1,600 other Browning designs  ) how many of those small parts and springs will the gun function without if a breakage occurs? I know for a fact Glock will run without a few small parts.
Which is better? Depends on what angle you are looking from -nice pocket watch or sun dial.
Genius design with several small "must be matched" to the gun parts or 33 can of which most can be taken from other guns dropped in and will work all without the aid of special tools or gunsmiths.
Butt hurt disclaimer- I think both men are very good in their own respect, Browning made some great guns without computer aid or complex machinery, but probably couldn't make a curtain rod or shovel worth having.
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02-07-2013, 21:40
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"(I know it's not his only gun design- I guess if he was so great there wouldn't have been a need for 1,600 other Browning designs )"
Not sure what that means....can you please explain?
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02-07-2013, 21:43
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Originally Posted by Ruggles
"(I know it's not his only gun design- I guess if he was so great there wouldn't have been a need for 1,600 other Browning designs )"
Not sure what that means....can you please explain?
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Attempt at sarcasm I know JMB had several designs, however I do not have an exact count- no idea.
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02-07-2013, 21:49
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Originally Posted by Ruggles
"(I know it's not his only gun design- I guess if he was so great there wouldn't have been a need for 1,600 other Browning designs )"
Not sure what that means....can you please explain?
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What that means is the poster thinks that Glock lever action and single shot rifles, his machine guns both heavy and squad, his semi auto rifles, centrfire and rimfire, and his shotguns are as good as John Browning's
uh, just one problem
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02-07-2013, 21:53
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Originally Posted by countrygun
uh, just one problem
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That one problem is that Glock didn't waste his time on a 1-of-a-kind single shot or lever action??
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02-07-2013, 21:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stock Perfection
Interesting side note on Gaston Glock; It is said that he test fired his G1, G2, G3 etc etc, with his left hand in case of catastrophic failure.
Even a curtain rod maker with a chip on his shoulder should have been able to figure out a remote firing system. But so goes the tale...
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The G17 pistol was so named for being Glock's 17th patent, not because it was the 17th iteration of the pistol design.
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02-07-2013, 22:00
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Originally Posted by mongo356
That one problem is that Glock didn't waste his time on a 1-of-a-kind single shot or lever action?? 
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Do they let you cross the street by yourself?
Yah that darned Browning he should have been designing polymer pistols in 1880 if he was so good
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02-07-2013, 22:01
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If the man really wanted to impress me, he'd invent a Glock Carbine.
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