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Old 02-08-2013, 14:21   #1
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Thoughts on powders for pistol rounds.

Looking for a new powder to load 9mm, 45 acp. Wanting to load 147,124(9mm) and 230,200(45). Mostly plated(berrys), maybe some jacketed bullets. Trying to obtain HD/SD velocities for practice. Is it possible to do all this with one clean, low flash powder? I've always loaded clays for plinking rounds. Looking for more versatility. Thinking about WSF or titegroup. Thoughts, suggestions are appreciated.


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Old 02-08-2013, 14:30   #2
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Old 02-08-2013, 16:07   #3
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B_RAD..."Trying to obtain HD/SD velocities for practice..."

their are a plethora of powders that will work with those calibers and by altering (testing) your powder charge & OAL you can achieve your goal.

I have had great success with these

9mm/115g, 124g FMJ & 124g XTP HP; (Hodgdon's burn rate chart)
Alliant Bullseye (burn rate #13)
Winchester 231 (burn rate #29)
Hodgdon Universal (burn rate #32)
Alliant Power Pistol (burn rate #33)
Winchester WSF (burn rate #36)
Accurate Arms #5 (burn rate #41)
Hodgdon HS6 (burn rate #42)
Winchester Autocomp (burn rate #43)
Hodgdon LongShot (burn rate #52)

45 ACP 230g FMJ & 230g XTP HP
Alliant Bullseye (burn rate #13)
Winchester 231 (burn rate #29)
Hodgdon Universal (burn rate #32)
Hodgdon HS6 (burn rate #42)

I am currently test Winchester's WST powder (burn rate #18) with 45 ACP loads (same weight bullets listed just above), so far this powder will too be a keeper.

Like I said there are quite a few powder that will work well with both of those calibers, my "preferred" powder for home/self defense rounds for 9mm are;
Hodgdon HS6
Winchester Autocomp
Alliant Power Pistol

For 45 ACP;
Alliant Bullseye
Hodgdon Universal

If I had to pick just one powder for target rounds for both calibers... It would be Hodgdon Universal.

I hope this helps you in your search, good luck and be safe.
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Old 02-08-2013, 16:38   #4
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Well TG, no, not in 9mm. WSF, yes for both. Universal will also work. The low flash thing, not a big deal IMO, unless most for your shooting is done at night.
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Old 02-08-2013, 16:55   #5
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Thanks guys! I really appreciate it! I was given a recipe from Matt Mink (great pro if you don't know) and that's always what I loaded. Now, its time to get serious. Now it's time to try some different loads from the manual to see what I like.


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Old 02-08-2013, 18:48   #6
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Tight group is defently the wrong powder. Wsf will work.
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Old 02-08-2013, 19:19   #7
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VV N320 is a little pricey, but clean burning with low flash.

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Old 02-08-2013, 19:38   #8
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If it's factory duplication velocities you want,Power Pistol or WSF. They both meter very well no matter your powder dispenser. SJ 40
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Old 02-08-2013, 19:40   #9
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I would start with WSF.
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Old 02-08-2013, 19:44   #10
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I used w231 for some time on a variety of pistol cartriges, 45ACP, .38/.357. The ball powders seemed to flow better than flake powder in my RCBS little dandy.
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HS-6 will probably work as well.
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Old 02-08-2013, 21:48   #12
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Thanks for all the info.
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Old 02-08-2013, 23:49   #13
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They both meter very well no matter your powder dispenser. SJ 40

Could you elaborate on this? I'm not sure I know what meter means or what it would have to do with the powder dispenser. I use a Dillion 550B. I measure with my scale the powder dispensed by the loader and adjust accordingly to reach the desired charge. I'm still kind of a newbie. I've loaded about 6k rounds of .45 and 9mm but only a few different loads.


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It meters well means it is consistent through the measure with little variance.
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:51   #15
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Here ya go. You can thank me later.


SILHOUETTE is the choice for competitive shooters in IPSC, IDPA and USPSA. A double-base high performance spherical powder, it’s is an excellent choice for 9mm, 38 Super, 40 S&W and 45 ACP. It has a low flash signature, high velocity, and clean burning properties which also make it the perfect choice for indoor ranges and law enforcement applications. Made in USA.

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Old 02-09-2013, 04:09   #16
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I like WSF but it is reverse temperature sensative. Not The best choice for this purpose.

Low flash, temp stable, high velocity powders are....
HS-6
N350
AA#7

I have a 124gr Gold Dot pet load with HS-6 doing 1222 fps out of a 3.5" barrel.

I have pushed the Berrys 124gr bullets to those velocities without any issues using the powders above. Also 3N37 is fantastic if you dont mind all the flash.

ETA: I have read alot about SILHOUETTE being low flash, temp stable, and capable of high velocities but I havent found much data on it for the higher velocities.

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Old 02-09-2013, 17:41   #17
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I use Unique. It works great. I can't imagine why Id need anything else for .45 ACP.
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Cast bullets for .44 mag.

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AA#5, AA#7, & Unique would be my vote.
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universal clays. I use it for 9mm, 45acp, 38 special and it can be used in many others including up to .44 mag.
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I use Unique. It works great. I can't imagine why Id need anything else for .45 ACP.
Very true-- or for 9x19 either
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Unique or WSF. Both will be dirty if you're using data on the low end, but you'll get a more complete combustion as you get up to full power loads.

I've always had better accuracy results with Unique... particularly with lead, but WSF will meter slightly better on the Dillon.


ETA: shooting them side by side, WSF loads feel better / less snappy.

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Unique or WSF. Both will be dirty if you're using data on the low end, but you'll get a more complete combustion as you get up to full power loads.

I've always had better accuracy results with Unique... particularly with lead, but WSF will meter slightly better on the Dillon.


ETA: shooting them side by side, WSF loads feel better / less snappy.
I agree with the WSF recoil,it is the classic 45 push back recoil often described with 45acp.
It is very nice in my 40s&w loads also.
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I like WSF but it is reverse temperature sensative. Not The best choice for this purpose.
Unless you're shooting for Power Factor in competition, it's of no issue. My most popular round is .45 ACP loaded with 6.0gr WSF and a 230gr LFP for 849fps. Really cold temperatures it gets closer to 900fps. 50fps isn't going to matter if you're shooting paper casually. If you're shooting IDPA and need to make PF, you may have to adjust your load.
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i use unique. It works great. I can't imagine why id need anything else for .45 acp.


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