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Old 02-05-2013, 16:44   #1
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For the optic gurus...

Thoughts on the short dot optic?

I would not run it on a patrol rifle since optics are not allowed, but on my personal shtf rig.
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Old 02-05-2013, 17:15   #2
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nice. very, very nice, and versatile. very, very expensive. you could easily get your favorite red dot sight and a magnifier for less $ (and about the same weight). with the best ones, you wouldn't even lose anything in terms of reliability.

i like it, i just don't think it's as special as the $ suggests.
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Old 02-05-2013, 17:31   #3
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Too rich for my blood.

A 4x magnifier and a holosight do me fine.
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Too rich for my blood.

A 4x magnifier and a holosight do me fine.
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For that money you can buy an Aimpoint Micro with 3x Magnifier and BUIS and have lots of money left to buy practice ammo.

The battery is good for 5 years of continuous use.

I never get tired of seeing this DD M-4 with Aimpoint Micro torture test....

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Very applicable for cops, especially those who need to fire at distance, but the price can be off setting.
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Old 02-05-2013, 18:07   #6
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Shot an sbr 308 REPR with one...amazing optic it gives me a broner Everytime I think about it.
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US optics has a 1-8x red dot coming out that supposedly kicks the snot out of the S&B. It wont be cheap, but will cost less then the S&B

http://www.shootingillustrated.com/i...013-shot-show/
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US optics has a 1-8x red dot coming out that supposedly kicks the snot out of the S&B. It wont be cheap, but will cost less then the S&B

http://www.shootingillustrated.com/i...013-shot-show/
That's hawt.
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Old 02-05-2013, 21:32   #10
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How about this?
http://www.burristactical.com/xtrtactical1.html

I'm assuming its a lot cheaper
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MNTRPR, if you decide to go with Burris, they have a nice LE discount available. Creds emailed in will get you an account started.

That said, after using a Trijicon ACOG 4x32, I really want to buy more of them. I have used every type of Aimpoint/Eotech, that ACOG really lets me reach out and fast.
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http://www.brownells.com/optics-moun...6.aspx?ttver=2

Get this 1-4 and LOTS of light gathering plus a 62gr BDC
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How about this?
http://www.burristactical.com/xtrtactical1.html

I'm assuming its a lot cheaper
I have the Burris it is a lot cheaper and the short dot is waaaaaaaaay better.

Probably not 2300 dollars better but you can pass the smidt and Bender down to your kids it is that good.
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Old 02-06-2013, 10:12   #15
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Thanks everyone for the advice. Anyone ever use this?
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-HD-1-4x24-Ta...pe-P48362.aspx

I know the internet experts can be full of poop sometimes, but the reviews on the scope have been positive, and it seems to split the difference.

I have an aimpoint w/fts magnifier, works like a charm, and have an ACOG TA01NSN, which is friggin awesome. The downside to the aimpoint is the combined weight, (I have the M2) and the ACOG is great, but I'm not nearly as fast inside 50ish or so when I shoot quickly compared to the other red dots.

I dunno, just trying to expand my knowledge and placate my gear geek in me.
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:24   #16
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Honestly you have to look through it to see.

I have a SS 10x from SWFA that is awesome.

Where you find problems with these is how forgiving they are of eye relief. The S&B is excellent in this regard the Burris, Millet and others not as good.
And how clear the optics are and how much light they gather.

The SWFA could be on the higher end of pretty good I have not looked through one mounted on a rifle yet.
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looking at the SWFA reviews it appears that the eye relief is very good..
With no tunneling reported ,,that looks promising .. If that us the case that would be a good price if the scope lives up to the quality promised.
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Thanks everyone for the advice. Anyone ever use this?
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-HD-1-4x24-Ta...pe-P48362.aspx

I know the internet experts can be full of poop sometimes, but the reviews on the scope have been positive, and it seems to split the difference.

I have an aimpoint w/fts magnifier, works like a charm, and have an ACOG TA01NSN, which is friggin awesome. The downside to the aimpoint is the combined weight, (I have the M2) and the ACOG is great, but I'm not nearly as fast inside 50ish or so when I shoot quickly compared to the other red dots.

I dunno, just trying to expand my knowledge and placate my gear geek in me.
SWFA makes great stuff the 10x is amazing, however the TAC30 is amazing at a much cheaper price. I have one and my coworker has one. It's magnificent.
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SWFA makes great stuff the 10x is amazing, however the TAC30 is amazing at a much cheaper price. I have one and my coworker has one. It's magnificent.
Not to derail the thread too much, but I'm running irons on my patrol rifle right now, partially because of financial issues and partially because of indecision. I've got quite a bit of experience with red dots, but I'm the type of person who would hate to miss out on the new, better thing if it's really better. Seems 1-4X optics are becoming much more common for hard use guns and I have to wonder if such an optic would be the way to go. I've considered the Trijicon TR24, but have come to the conclusion that it's really just too much $$$.

I guess my questions about the Burris are, can you really run it close to as fast as a red dot, is the illumination really daylight visible, and would it hold up to being tossed around in a patrol car or occasional sling-the-rifle-around-back-and-go-hands-on use?
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Not to derail the thread too much, but I'm running irons on my patrol rifle right now, partially because of financial issues and partially because of indecision. I've got quite a bit of experience with red dots, but I'm the type of person who would hate to miss out on the new, better thing if it's really better. Seems 1-4X optics are becoming much more common for hard use guns and I have to wonder if such an optic would be the way to go. I've considered the Trijicon TR24, but have come to the conclusion that it's really just too much $$$.

I guess my questions about the Burris are, can you really run it close to as fast as a red dot, is the illumination really daylight visible, and would it hold up to being tossed around in a patrol car or occasional sling-the-rifle-around-back-and-go-hands-on use?
Yes to the first two jury is out on the durability..

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