[mntrpr]

For the optic gurus...

Thoughts on the short dot optic?

I would not run it on a patrol rifle since optics are not allowed, but on my personal shtf rig.

[PinkoCommie]

nice. very, very nice, and versatile. very, very expensive. you could easily get your favorite red dot sight and a magnifier for less $ (and about the same weight). with the best ones, you wouldn't even lose anything in terms of reliability.

i like it, i just don't think it's as special as the $ suggests.

[Cochese]

Too rich for my blood.

A 4x magnifier and a holosight do me fine.

[bccop]

Originally Posted by Cochese

Too rich for my blood.

A 4x magnifier and a holosight do me fine.

+1

For that money you can buy an Aimpoint Micro with 3x Magnifier and BUIS and have lots of money left to buy practice ammo.

The battery is good for 5 years of continuous use.

I never get tired of seeing this DD M-4 with Aimpoint Micro torture test....

Daniel Defence M4 Torture Test Promo.mp4.mp4 - YouTube

Daniel Defence M4 Torture Test Promo.mp4.mp4 - YouTube

[Morris]

Very applicable for cops, especially those who need to fire at distance, but the price can be off setting.

[Mayhem like Me]

Shot an sbr 308 REPR with one...amazing optic it gives me a broner Everytime I think about it.

[The-Fly]

US optics has a 1-8x red dot coming out that supposedly kicks the snot out of the S&B. It wont be cheap, but will cost less then the S&B

http://www.shootingillustrated.com/i...013-shot-show/

[PinkoCommie]

Originally Posted by The-Fly

US optics has a 1-8x red dot coming out that supposedly kicks the snot out of the S&B. It wont be cheap, but will cost less then the S&B

http://www.shootingillustrated.com/i...013-shot-show/

That's hawt.

[mntrpr]

Originally Posted by PinkoCommie

That's hawt.

+1

[mntrpr]

How about this?
http://www.burristactical.com/xtrtactical1.html

I'm assuming its a lot cheaper

[blueiron]

If it is the Schmidt und Bender, buy one at age 21 and your great-great grandchildren will be using it.

[BlackPaladin]

MNTRPR, if you decide to go with Burris, they have a nice LE discount available. Creds emailed in will get you an account started.

That said, after using a Trijicon ACOG 4x32, I really want to buy more of them. I have used every type of Aimpoint/Eotech, that ACOG really lets me reach out and fast.

[DoogieHowser]

http://www.brownells.com/optics-moun...6.aspx?ttver=2

Get this 1-4 and LOTS of light gathering plus a 62gr BDC

[Mayhem like Me]

Originally Posted by mntrpr

How about this?
http://www.burristactical.com/xtrtactical1.html

I'm assuming its a lot cheaper

I have the Burris it is a lot cheaper and the short dot is waaaaaaaaay better.

Probably not 2300 dollars better but you can pass the smidt and Bender down to your kids it is that good.
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[mntrpr]

Thanks everyone for the advice. Anyone ever use this?
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-HD-1-4x24-Ta...pe-P48362.aspx

I know the internet experts can be full of poop sometimes, but the reviews on the scope have been positive, and it seems to split the difference.

I have an aimpoint w/fts magnifier, works like a charm, and have an ACOG TA01NSN, which is friggin awesome. The downside to the aimpoint is the combined weight, (I have the M2) and the ACOG is great, but I'm not nearly as fast inside 50ish or so when I shoot quickly compared to the other red dots.

I dunno, just trying to expand my knowledge and placate my gear geek in me.

[Mayhem like Me]

Honestly you have to look through it to see.

I have a SS 10x from SWFA that is awesome.

Where you find problems with these is how forgiving they are of eye relief. The S&B is excellent in this regard the Burris, Millet and others not as good.
And how clear the optics are and how much light they gather.

The SWFA could be on the higher end of pretty good I have not looked through one mounted on a rifle yet.

[Mayhem like Me]

looking at the SWFA reviews it appears that the eye relief is very good..
With no tunneling reported ,,that looks promising .. If that us the case that would be a good price if the scope lives up to the quality promised.

[DoogieHowser]

Originally Posted by mntrpr

Thanks everyone for the advice. Anyone ever use this?
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-HD-1-4x24-Ta...pe-P48362.aspx

I know the internet experts can be full of poop sometimes, but the reviews on the scope have been positive, and it seems to split the difference.

I have an aimpoint w/fts magnifier, works like a charm, and have an ACOG TA01NSN, which is friggin awesome. The downside to the aimpoint is the combined weight, (I have the M2) and the ACOG is great, but I'm not nearly as fast inside 50ish or so when I shoot quickly compared to the other red dots.

I dunno, just trying to expand my knowledge and placate my gear geek in me.

SWFA makes great stuff the 10x is amazing, however the TAC30 is amazing at a much cheaper price. I have one and my coworker has one. It's magnificent.

[rockapede]

Originally Posted by DoogieHowser

SWFA makes great stuff the 10x is amazing, however the TAC30 is amazing at a much cheaper price. I have one and my coworker has one. It's magnificent.

Not to derail the thread too much, but I'm running irons on my patrol rifle right now, partially because of financial issues and partially because of indecision. I've got quite a bit of experience with red dots, but I'm the type of person who would hate to miss out on the new, better thing if it's really better. Seems 1-4X optics are becoming much more common for hard use guns and I have to wonder if such an optic would be the way to go. I've considered the Trijicon TR24, but have come to the conclusion that it's really just too much $$$.

I guess my questions about the Burris are, can you really run it close to as fast as a red dot, is the illumination really daylight visible, and would it hold up to being tossed around in a patrol car or occasional sling-the-rifle-around-back-and-go-hands-on use?

[Mayhem like Me]

Originally Posted by rockapede

Not to derail the thread too much, but I'm running irons on my patrol rifle right now, partially because of financial issues and partially because of indecision. I've got quite a bit of experience with red dots, but I'm the type of person who would hate to miss out on the new, better thing if it's really better. Seems 1-4X optics are becoming much more common for hard use guns and I have to wonder if such an optic would be the way to go. I've considered the Trijicon TR24, but have come to the conclusion that it's really just too much $$$.

I guess my questions about the Burris are, can you really run it close to as fast as a red dot, is the illumination really daylight visible, and would it hold up to being tossed around in a patrol car or occasional sling-the-rifle-around-back-and-go-hands-on use?

Yes to the first two jury is out on the durability..

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[Kingarthurhk]

I have an EOTECH with a magnifier on my AR. It has the bullet drop for the .223 The thing about it, though, is I need the magnifier just to see the bullet drop red dots, especially in direct sunglight.

That is the one failing about EOTECH is it will wash out in bright light. I would recommend a BUS to see your front sight when using a red dot like EOTECH.

EOTECHS are tough, and can take abuse, but like most red dots, bright light is their enemy.

There are some cheap green dots out there that people swear by, they are not EOTECH quality; but they are not EOTECH price either.

I was considering putting a Sightmark Z on my little Yugo PAP92 pistol. It is a green dot, and not that expensive. Besides, I really don't plan on shooting that thing beyond 25 yards anyway. If I like it, I will probably mount it on my MAK 90 for 100 yards.

[DoogieHowser]

Originally Posted by rockapede

Not to derail the thread too much, but I'm running irons on my patrol rifle right now, partially because of financial issues and partially because of indecision. I've got quite a bit of experience with red dots, but I'm the type of person who would hate to miss out on the new, better thing if it's really better. Seems 1-4X optics are becoming much more common for hard use guns and I have to wonder if such an optic would be the way to go. I've considered the Trijicon TR24, but have come to the conclusion that it's really just too much $$$.

I guess my questions about the Burris are, can you really run it close to as fast as a red dot, is the illumination really daylight visible, and would it hold up to being tossed around in a patrol car or occasional sling-the-rifle-around-back-and-go-hands-on use?

I just pulled my EOTECH 552 to switch to the TAC30. I feel that the speed is the same, the optic is brighter (It is etched black and red when powered) I can easily use both eyes open (I use a Burris PEPR for a forward mount as I have my face against the charging handle)

I can just barely popup my rear sight and while it is difficult I can sort of cowitness, though that is one area where the EOTECH was easier.

I had the 1 dot w/ ring reticle in the EOTECH so I rather like the BDC addition in my TAC30 but that point is moot.

I've not done a shoot house with it but with my informal testing of running through my house and the station combined with some shooting and moving on the range I would say that it works just as well for a CQB type sight but I'm a strong both eye open shooter already. If you were closer to me I'd let you play with it.

[indigent]

Just for general info, I talked to Burris today by email.. They allow LE 2 purchases of optics/scopes a year at 50% off.........

Thats a good bit of change.

[Kingarthurhk]

Originally Posted by indigent

Just for general info, I talked to Burris today by email.. They allow LE 2 purchases of optics/scopes a year at 50% off.........

Thats a good bit of change.

Yeah, especially if you are looking at their Eliminators.

[indigent]

Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk

Yeah, especially if you are looking at their Eliminators.

No, just the AR332...... If I can get them to give me a price.....