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Old 02-05-2013, 14:49   #26
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Better watch out, Texans. I hear those boys from San Francisco got a mean slap.
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Old 02-05-2013, 16:18   #27
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Better watch out, Texans. I hear those boys from San Francisco got a mean slap.
Bring that surfer bad arse here bra.


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Old 02-05-2013, 16:40   #28
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I have seen what California did to Colorado, Northen New Mexico, and Arizona. Please, please stay in California.
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Old 02-05-2013, 17:14   #29
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I have seen what California did to Colorado, Northen New Mexico, and Arizona. Please, please stay in California.
bwAHH ha ha haaaa... Too late! We already crossed over the border, established residency, and voted!
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Old 02-05-2013, 17:25   #30
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I have seen what California did to Colorado, Northen New Mexico, and Arizona. Please, please stay in California.
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Old 02-05-2013, 17:43   #31
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Close the western, northern and eastern Texas borders RIGHT NOW!!!....
Nah, keep a small corridor to the north. We might could use some Oklahomans.

Consider that companies such as Google and ebay and Hewlett Packard do not pay the same in taxes and other state burdens that my little company would. They have the same leverage that major league sports teams do: give us a deal or we'll walk.

So, the states give them tax abatements and anything they want.

It happened in St. Louis during the 1970s and 1980s. To attract large company presence, St. Louis gave them 10 or 20 year tax abatements, set up TIFs ( legally steal someone else's land) and funded improved infrastructure just to get companies such as Metropolitan Life, Monsanto, Bank of America, E.F. Hutton and others to build corporate offices downtown.

St. Louis has a 1% earnings tax per employee and at the time, had an oppressive Merchants and Manufacturers tax.

To make up for the loss of revenue, the city began raping the small to medium businesses. Twenty years later, there are no small to medium businesses in the city. They either moved or gave up.

When St. Louis ran out of money and threatened to treat Ralston Purina like any other company, the Chow folk said, Go ahead, make our day and we'll move 20,000 employees and our entire operation out to St. Louis County. Guess who won?

Any honest, hard-working feller, doesn't matter where they're from, that wants to try his hand at business and be treated somewhat fair by the state, come to Texas. Yes, we have some dumb laws, but we're trying.
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Old 02-05-2013, 18:21   #32
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It's the same reason that most gun makers are located in and around New England - that is where the talent base is and where the supplier base is.

Some tech companies have relocated to - get this - North Dakota! They call the area "Silicone Prarie" and it has attracted quite a few companies. I don't think any of the big ones have moved yet though.

Google, Intel and other companies may not leave California, and may have high net worths, but how many jobs can they support? Unless California goes full socialist these companies cannot support the entire state.
So you are saying that states like Utah, Texas, and other rural states lack sufficient talent? It would make sense as cities and urban areas are the major tech centers and users as well as innovators.
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Old 02-05-2013, 18:26   #33
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[QUOTE=tous;19953328]Nah, keep a small corridor to the north. We might could use some Oklahomans.

I like this idea.
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Old 02-05-2013, 18:35   #34
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So you are saying that states like Utah, Texas, and other rural states lack sufficient talent? It would make sense as cities and urban areas are the major tech centers and users as well as innovators.
Don't feel bad. The folks over where you are from in Chicago have things to offer too. One of the highest murder, crime rates in the nation. One of the most corrupt political machines in the nation. But, hey, were good over here. No need to export the goods of Crook County.
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Old 02-05-2013, 18:51   #35
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One of my friends is a lobbiest for a major CA telicommunications company and he was keeping track of major companies leaving CA. In 2011 he counted close to 400 companies that bailed out of CA. In the 1st quarter of 2012 there was close to 200 already.

Gov. Moonbeam is a complete MORON to think that more companies aren't leaving due to more taxes and regulations. I don't blame any company that moves out of CA and I wish them luck.
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Old 02-05-2013, 19:01   #36
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Texas vs California.....regarding anything......

Is that even a real debate?



P.S. TexMex food is a whole lot better than that Mexi-Cali stuff!
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Old 02-05-2013, 19:04   #37
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Despite the high taxes and stifling regulations, California is home to companies which are larger than the entire economies of most states. Apple alone is bigger than the entire economy of Arkansas. HP is bigger than Utah. These are mathematical facts.
While true, it is interesting to note that CA has built all a sizable portion of its electrical infrastructure in NV, which make them quite vulnerable.
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Old 02-05-2013, 19:25   #38
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Like... Google and Apple and Facebook? The revenues of the three companies added together are greater than the GDP of New Zealand.

Intel? HP? There's another hundred-odd billion.
When did those companies move from another state, to California? I assume they did, because your comment would be irrelevant to the topic, if they started there.

Pretty sure facebook is the only one that moved to CA
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Old 02-05-2013, 19:27   #39
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Personally, I don't want anyone from CA or NY of NJ or any other blue state to come here. Stay away. We have enuff companies here. You can keep Apple. Heck you need to take your people home that reside in Austin, Dallas, SA, and Houston.
Agreed. We are overrun by illegal mexicans, kalies and new yawkers would add to our problems. Teaxas is closed!
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Despite the high taxes and stifling regulations, California is home to companies which are larger than the entire economies of most states. Apple alone is bigger than the entire economy of Arkansas. HP is bigger than Utah. These are mathematical facts.
Let me try to explain to you what the reality is: big companies like Chevron, HP and Google and the rest of the Silicon Valley taken together are but a fraction of CA economy. The same truth stands for any state in the Union: big companies economic output is dwarfed by the myriads of small companies nobody heard about.

The economic engine that moves America are small to medium companies like these. Hundred of thousands of them. They employ hundreds of times more people and produce hundreds of times more products and services then the corporate giants. It is these companies who are hurt in CA and are leaving for greener pastures.

As for me I am counting the days until my wife finishes her PhD. and takes the first available job offer from any University from TX, NM, AZ or UT. I will close my business in L.A. and I will never set foot in this bloody communist cesspool again.
Fyou California and Fyou Jerry Brown

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Old 02-05-2013, 19:59   #41
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Despite the high taxes and stifling regulations, California is home to companies which are larger than the entire economies of most states. Apple alone is bigger than the entire economy of Arkansas. HP is bigger than Utah. These are mathematical facts.
Chevron getting pissed off because major improvements to the Richmond refinery were stopped by court order from local do gooders supported by City, County and State Assembly politicians is a fact.
They have since cut production at the Richmond refinery, encouraged early retirements and moved a lot of jobs from Richmond and San Ramon to other states.

Meanwhile across the bay Valero wants to sell the Benicia refinery because they are unable to get permitted to build the Hydrogen unit they want as well as a new Admin building and there are new pollution laws slated to go in effect in 2020 that state lawmakers refuse to set back until unemployment gets at or below 5.5%.

And yes DD Campbells Soup did move entirely out of CA.


As far as moving to any other state goes I won't be asking anyone's permission to do so when I am ready.
It won't be Oregon because the biggest out of state ****** bags I have met on jobs here in PRK have been from that smug better than thou state. I have invited a couple of such cretins to go back to their effing paradise that can't seem to keep them employed. I have 1st cousins who are the smug sub species of Oregonian and they can all piss up a rope as far as I am concerned.

In spite of the rudeness of a lot of Texans on this forum the ones that I have worked with on projects here in PRK have usually been very nice and easy to work with. Almost like their parents had taught them not to visit other people and piss on the carpet.
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Old 02-05-2013, 20:09   #42
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One of my friends is a lobbiest for a major CA telicommunications company and he was keeping track of major companies leaving CA. In 2011 he counted close to 400 companies that bailed out of CA. In the 1st quarter of 2012 there was close to 200 already.

Gov. Moonbeam is a complete MORON to think that more companies aren't leaving due to more taxes and regulations. I don't blame any company that moves out of CA and I wish them luck.
One of these days I want to see a list of businesses leaving. A buddy of mine from college is on his third start up that has sold out to the big boys.

Seems like CA is stagnating in the silicon valley and declining in the central valley.
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Old 02-05-2013, 20:13   #43
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We're not rude.
We're confident that we are superior to the residents of any other state..

Texans are some of the nicest folk you'll ever meet, but we do tend to brag on our state some. You ever accidentally find yourself in a roughneck bar ... now, they're rude.

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Texas vs California.....regarding anything......

Is that even a real debate?

How about PHYSICAL GEOGRAPHY for chrissake! Ever seen a mountain before? They're pretty fruckin sweet. How about water that ain't the same color as chocolate milk? That's b1tchin' too!

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P.S. TexMex food is a whole lot better than that Mexi-Cali stuff!
Umm, it's just called Mexican food. News Flash: Velveeta ain't Mexican.

Oh, and Whataburger is better than In-N-Out, right?

But seriously, everything else about Texas really is growing on us after only 1.5 years.
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Oh, and Whataburger is better than In-N-Out, right?
You even have to ask?

There are In-N-Out joints in the Dallas/Forth Worth area.
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You even have to ask?

There are In-N-Out joints in the Dallas/Forth Worth area.
I ate at In-N-Out with my kiddo a while back - here's my report card.

*Burger - small, greasy, did i say small?
*Fries - literally the worst fires I've ever eaten. They taste like foam puffs.
*Diet Coke - the diet coke was perfect.

Never again for me.
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Don't feel bad. The folks over where you are from in Chicago have things to offer too. One of the highest murder, crime rates in the nation. One of the most corrupt political machines in the nation. But, hey, were good over here. No need to export the goods of Crook County.
Huh? Yes we do have a lot of corruption in our politics. But we also have more to offer then Texas in regards to industry, trade, and economic standing. Chicago is a city of the first class and a major economic city. I do believe it is also considered an Alpha city which means it is significant. We also have some of the best schools in the nation, best museums, best food, large industrial companies such as Boeing, an international airport that used to be the busiest in the nation (I believe Atlanta is now), and we still have a lot of trade due to the Mississippi River and Lake Michigan.

Either way, if all you see is crime rates, then surely we can look at the fact that Texas is pretty filled rampant and takes more in Federal dollars than they give meaning they are essentially welfare recipients. But either way, major cities are better for business and trade. You notice that Wall Street hasn't moved to Paducah Kentucky or some other small town?
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Is that even a real debate?



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It might be tastier, but look at the obesity rates. Texas is part of what is known as the diabetes belt.
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