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Old 02-04-2013, 14:37   #1
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FORT BRAGG, N.C. Special Forces operators give a close-quarter drill demonstration to participants of the 2012 U.S. Army Special Operations Command Capabilities Exercise, April 26. (USASFC(A) Photos by Staff Sgt. Marcus Butler)


Good enough for our SF and the British, but not our Infantry and Marines. just sayin.
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Old 02-04-2013, 17:13   #2
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They still have that misconception that the average soldier needs a manual safety.
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Old 02-04-2013, 18:20   #3
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That's not it at all. The military would love to have Glocks but in order to supply the US military, the design has to be open sourced. The army for example buys m-4s from several different suppliers, because they dont want the risk of one source drying up and their being left high and dry on their supply.

Glock has refused to do this, and why shouldn't they? They have more than enough business world wide and they are still backordered. Hell, everyone uses them but us.

Special Forces bypasses normal military channels for procurement; they get whatever they want with a huge budget to boot. So that is why you will see them with HK-416s, glocks, 1911s, or whatever else they feel like.
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Old 02-04-2013, 18:21   #4
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What model/caliber is it?
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Old 02-04-2013, 18:24   #5
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Probably 9x19
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Old 02-04-2013, 18:27   #6
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Never noticed the "shoot'em in the nutz" kill box before....Very high speed and low drag...
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Old 02-04-2013, 18:35   #7
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What model/caliber is it?
Word is they have been shooting the G17, G22, and even the G35 for several years. Why do you think Glock made the 22 round .40 magazines a couple years back?
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Old 02-04-2013, 18:36   #8
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Never noticed the "shoot'em in the nutz" kill box before....Very high speed and low drag...
I'm pretty sure they call that the Pelvic Girdle.
A solid hit there usually stops an ambulatory person from moving further. It doesn't stop him from shooting you, stabbing you or flipping you off.
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Old 02-04-2013, 18:37   #9
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Never noticed the "shoot'em in the nutz" kill box before....Very high speed and low drag...
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Old 02-04-2013, 18:37   #10
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LOL the "shoot en in the Nutz" box. Thats a new one for sure. Actually that is a common target in a failure to stop drills. The target might be wearing concealed body armor or be on some type of mind numbing drugs. The pelvic girdle target is shot if it does not respond to normal center of mass hits. The idea is damage to this area will stop the aggressor form moving.
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Old 02-04-2013, 18:41   #11
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I'm pretty sure they call that the Pelvic Girdle.
A solid hit there usually stops an ambulatory person from moving further. It doesn't stop him from shooting you, stabbing you or flipping you off.
Technically, it won't stop him from shooting you or flipping you off, but it is hard to close the distance with an edged weapon or club with rounds in your hip. It's a useful secondary target against an advancing opponent if center mass shots don't seem to be affecting him (plates, drugs, et. al.) It's also easier to get a cenral nervous system shot on someone laying on the deck than someone running at you.

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Old 02-04-2013, 18:41   #12
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They still have that misconception that the average soldier needs a manual safety.
Ahh, the average soldier DOES NEED a manual safety. They needed them in past wars; and they're going to need them in future wars, too. (It's just that, the way things are going, they're not going to have them!)

Hey! See that target? Anybody know where I can get about 50 of them? (I see Ayoob's, 'pelvic girdle shots' are back in vogue.)
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Old 02-04-2013, 18:42   #13
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Old 02-04-2013, 18:44   #14
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Is that a Safariland ALS holster?
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Old 02-04-2013, 19:16   #15
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I'm pretty sure they call that the Pelvic Girdle.
A solid hit there usually stops an ambulatory person from moving further. It doesn't stop him from shooting you, stabbing you or flipping you off.

Shots are placed there if you need to avoid body armor and cannot do a quick head shot. The idea is to 1. slow them down, 2. there are massive blood vessels there and a subject can bleed out very fast from a shot there (think femoral artery leg hits, that vessel goes through the pelvis), and 3. with a slow down or quick bleed out, you can follow that up with a head shot.

Remember, even center mass shots are not guarnteed anything. The idea is to cause central nervous system damage, organ damage, or enough blood loss to shut down major systems like the brain. That can still be caused with pelvic shots.

So all joking aside, that is why it is taught in military and law enforcement circles.
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Old 02-04-2013, 19:21   #16
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That box makes me cringe
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Old 02-04-2013, 19:31   #17
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Ahh, the average soldier DOES NEED a manual safety. They needed them in past wars; and they're going to need them in future wars, too. (It's just that, the way things are going, they're not going to have them!)

Hey! See that target? Anybody know where I can get about 50 of them? (I see Ayoob's, 'pelvic girdle shots' are back in vogue.)
If the illiterate Iraqi's get by ok without them, I think our guys would do fine.
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Old 02-04-2013, 19:33   #18
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Probably 9x19


Or a G23...Delta has been using them...
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Yep it's a g19. The holster isn't the greatest but its issued bc it allows for the surefire light
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Old 02-04-2013, 19:37   #20
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One of my buddies with 75th said they were using G22's or G23's. It's been a while since we talked and I can't remember.
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Old 02-04-2013, 20:23   #21
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We were taught to shoot for the head or the pelvis due to body armor. It is a normal part of a shooting drill. We also shot weak hand for part of the drill in order to qualify. Just my thoughts from the Big Sky Country, Montana.
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Ahh, the average soldier DOES NEED a manual safety. They needed them in past wars; and they're going to need them in future wars, too. (It's just that, the way things are going, they're not going to have them!)

Hey! See that target? Anybody know where I can get about 50 of them? (I see Ayoob's, 'pelvic girdle shots' are back in vogue.)
If the British and the Iraqis can use the Glock then our guys can also. An American has a good chance of being exposed to handguns before entering the Military while a British subject does not.
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Old 02-04-2013, 20:56   #23
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nutz box shot ... it would never stop our politicians.
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Old 02-04-2013, 21:02   #24
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I recently bought a 23. Standing at the counter with me were two Rangers from 2nd Bat. They said there sniper teams were carrying Glock 22's, as were other spec ops teams. The 9 (even with there non nato/le/civ loads were creating to many bad guy not going down, and the .40 was being used in with much more confidence .. and it was doing its job better, much better.

They were picking up G27's ..

this is all heresay. I was 1/509th, .. and chatted it up with them for a bit.
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Old 02-04-2013, 21:22   #25
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If the British and the Iraqis can use the Glock then our guys can also. An American has a good chance of being exposed to handguns before entering the Military while a British subject does not.
Yeah, the United States has so much respect for the Iraqis that we've been arming pro USA local police forces with S&W Sigmas. (What could be more caring than that!)

Modern warfare is, increasingly, all about dying for your country. Cheap polymer pistols go a long way toward realizing that goal. The question you've raised is not so much one about, 'can you' as it is about, 'should you'.

Ergo: I'm, now, the proud owner of 3 Glock pistols that I may not be able to, either, locate or purchase new fully functional extractors for.
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