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Old 02-06-2013, 23:20   #261
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You have a RIGHT to say whatever you please. But words sometimes have consequences. The government won't prosecute you for saying them. But being disrespectful of a decorated servicemen in the presence of their comrade in arms shortly after their demise will likely lead to an unscheduled emergency room visit.

You still have the RIGHT to speak your mind.
Bunch of guys who can't take criticism of their line of work without resorting to violence...

and who are also coming back from said work so screwed up that they're shooting their buddies at the gun range.

Doesn't exactly sound like the infallible heroes that so many make them out to be.
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Old 02-06-2013, 23:22   #262
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Im sure they'll let you ride along for old time sake. All the fun new toys to use against pot smokers and you didn't even get to try them out!
You're really butthurt about your dope, aren't you? Did some cop ticket you for possession of smoke recently?

Look on the bright side, after you've slaughtered hordes of invading Chinese from behind Yamamoto's fictional blade of grass you can go back to the firebase bunker and lay in your hammock smoking weed like all the hero 'heads did in "Apocalypse Now". Would that be cool or what?

Still willing to share a magazine, bro...?
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Old 02-06-2013, 23:36   #263
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Then pick my logic apart for me, would you? At what point do the decisions of all of these incompetent, self serving politician's become sacrosanct before they translate into the actions of the military?

Or are you saying the politicians and their decisions are A-OK too?
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Old 02-06-2013, 23:40   #264
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Doesn't exactly sound like the infallible heroes that so many make them out to be.

That sounds more like the whine of a jealous child than a real point.

I don't care what you think about what you do, you aren't going to get to wear the title "Hero" get over it.

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Old 02-07-2013, 00:08   #265
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How exactly did Chris Kyle defend any of my rights? Who was there directly threatening MY RIGHTS that Chris so benevolently put a bullet in? Can any of you actually explain this instead of just blindly repeating the mantra?

He was a guy that was good at shooting a rifle that had a job to shoot whoever the military commanders told him to. THAT is what he did. He shot people that our politicians (you know, those guys that we all so love to agree on their benevolent intentions and concern for our safety and happiness over their own interests) told him to shoot. That was his big heroic accomplishment. To follow the orders of the very people who can never make a good call according to the members of GT.

But let one of those politician's hired guns, the ones that wear the uniform that you idiots worship as infallible, act on the decision of those politicians and you fellas eat that **** up as a patriotic duty that "those whom have never worn the uniform can truly understand".

Basically, as has been pointed out before and ignored by many who struggled to put together so much of a thought as, "You're an idiot", the politician is the most despicable piece of crap to walk the earth yet the soldier that the politician commands, who does the bidding of said politician, is the utmost example of honor and integrity.

How's that work exactly?
Kyle decided who to shoot and when within confines of ROE. His actions saved the lives of our fellow countrymen who were sent there by the politicians.

Without judgement on whether or not the soldiers should have been in the ME fighting, they were and Kyle saved countless with every kill.
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Old 02-07-2013, 00:12   #266
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Then pick my logic apart for me, would you? At what point do the decisions of all of these incompetent, self serving politician's become sacrosanct before they translate into the actions of the military?

Or are you saying the politicians and their decisions are A-OK too?
At what point do the decisions of all of these incompetent, self serving politician's translate into theft as they force other citizens to buy your girlfriend's medicine?

You seem to love the actions of the government and enforcers when they seize money from others to pay for her medical care.

You aren't man enough to buy her meds yourself but Kyle was man enough to volunteer repeatedly to help protect his brothers.
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Old 02-07-2013, 00:13   #267
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Who's Chris Kelly?
I think he means R Kelly
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Old 02-07-2013, 00:19   #268
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Kyle decided who to shoot and when within confines of ROE. His actions saved the lives of our fellow countrymen who were sent there by the politicians.

Without judgement on whether or not the soldiers should have been in the ME fighting, they were and Kyle saved countless with every kill.
Heroes like him are the folk that allow folks ta say the drivel they do.'08.
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Old 02-07-2013, 00:48   #269
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Kyle decided who to shoot and when within confines of ROE. His actions saved the lives of our fellow countrymen who were sent there by the politicians.

Without judgement on whether or not the soldiers should have been in the ME fighting, they were and Kyle saved countless with every kill.
How convenient. Well, "without judgment" on whether or not they should even be here, we can lament all day on the honor due to and sacrifice made by the first military to invade us. What a bunch of stand up guys they will be.

Hmm, seems like judgment of just what in the hell any particular military is doing someplace would be key to deciding if one should kiss any particular soldier's ass now wouldn't it?
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Old 02-07-2013, 00:49   #270
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This doesn't sound like something Paul would say.

It's sad that someone who truly believes in small government, letting you keep your own money, is a vocal supporter of the 2nd amendment, would get so much hate on a pro-gun forum.

I doubt Dr. Paul runs his own twitter, I'll reserve judgement to see if anything else is said.
What? You are defending him in the GNG thread.
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Old 02-07-2013, 01:08   #271
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I can only pray his wife and kids understand that his death was ultimately caused by the foreign policy that put him in that position in the first place. Then maybe they can become advocates for a sane and affordable foreign policy.

Somebody's gotta put the truth out there even when people don't want to hear it.

Btw, I find your karma comment to be hilarious since that's pretty much exactly what "live by the sword, die by the sword" is about.
Hey genius, was his death caused by foreign policy or Kyle's own bad karma for being a mean soldier? It can't be both. Nice try.

Liberalism and Paulism are mental disorders.
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Old 02-07-2013, 01:30   #272
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Hey genius, was his death caused by foreign policy or Kyle's own bad karma for being a mean soldier? It can't be both. Nice try.
Both? They are not mutually exclusive. The foreign policy can create the karma. I thought that was a fairly simple concept. I don't think this is the thread for a discussion on karma though.

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Your opinion and you're entitled to it. I think expecting to win elections with the same rhetoric that's been losing lately is a bigger mental disorder. It shows that not only do you not learn from history, you're willing to double down on that ignorance.
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Old 02-07-2013, 01:35   #273
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At what point do the decisions of all of these incompetent, self serving politician's translate into theft as they force other citizens to buy your girlfriend's medicine?

You seem to love the actions of the government and enforcers when they seize money from others to pay for her medical care.

You aren't man enough to buy her meds yourself but Kyle was man enough to volunteer repeatedly to help protect his brothers.
I let you run with that BS for too long without correcting you on it and now it's become your standard rebuttal to anything I say. Here's a hint CF, if you have to keep dragging out old stuff that someone said instead of addressing their current point then you might want to think harder about addressing their current point. I don't know if you learned the misdirection/ intellectual dishonesty game from Cav Doc or if he learned it from you but you boys both do sure love yourselves some misdirection and dumb playing.

This right here nails it for me, convinces me beyond any shadow of doubt that this is how you PI nutsacks operate. You are an echo chamber. You're all fueled by agreement among yourselves and ridicule of those that express different opinions so when I show up you have to remind everyone of the Obamacare girlfriend and how I'm so socialist and Marxist least they actually start to think about what I'm saying.

You've ignored every pro Paul thing I've ever posted, never even acknowledged my claim to be a Paul supporter when you started claiming me to be an Obama leg humper and every time you respond to anything I say you start or finish up with your comment that I want (your) tax dollars to pay for her medication. What a joke. I have no doubt that absent any kind of government programs there would still be charities and organizations that would help people get life saving medications. If you dropped dead tomorrow our world economy would mourn the loss of your tax dollars like a train mourns a penny on it's track. You are nobody.

I don't need to reiterate how you think you're an island who was born with claims to unlimited natural resources and never benefits from tax spending every time you say something stupid. I'll just address the stupid thing you said. Try it sometime.

To recap, and try to get it straight this time, I was all for Ron Paul. I am a libertarian. The first thread where I ever said anything about my girlfriend and her medicine was when I was stating how I came to terms with this Obamacare BS and how I saw something positive coming from it rather than constantly *****ing about a done deal like the rest of you. I've moved on and continued to enjoy life while the rest of you twerps want to wake up and cry about it every day.

Remember when this happened?
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/0...o-to-obamacare

I do. I was right there living in Columbia and listening to talk radio every day at work. I voted no to ACA and I'd do it again.

And really, why would I lie to you about this? I don't give a **** what you think of me. I can take you on Obama supporter or not, it's not like you're some kind of master debater or anything.
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Old 02-07-2013, 01:48   #274
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I don't know if it's possible or not.
It's not.

Presidential level foreign policy isn't about moving around carrier groups. Do you really think Obama sits down and decides where this boat or that boat goes? That's the job of those in the DoD that are to follow the broad foreign policy directives of the President. There's really no answer to your question since if I was President we wouldnt be involved in all these wars/conflicts/threats/sanctions that currently necessitate carrier groups standing by and a $1.5 trillion a year foreign policy. In my administration, no there wouldn't be carrier groups sitting off the coasts of other countries unless that country attacked us and there was a declaration of war against that country.
Again, you show your ignorance. Which CVBGs are where is absolutely a POTUS directive. If you think the decision to cancel the Truman deployment on Friday didn't go through the POTUS, you're wrong. Either way, that's not my question.

OK, so there are no forward deployed CVBGs. What do you do when Iran closes the straits of Hormuz? (Which they would)


Interesting that you're not a fan of armed civilian militias, seeing how you're on a 2nd amendment related website. Anyway. Im sure Americans would have fought to the death and won against a Japanese invasion, no uniforms needed. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree there.
I didn't say I'm not a fan of militias. We might need them here in the near future... I just said it's really stupid to think that we can rely on them to prevent an outside force from invading. Armed militias would have lost against a Japanese invasion. Best case scenario would be a US reminiscent of central Europe after the 30 years' war. Germany would certainly have defeated GB and the other allies. Again, in that case what does the world look like today?
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Murdered? I guess so. I was thinking more like this was just yet another senseless death in a long line of senseless deaths from these wars- the killer was insane from PTSD. Killed seems more like it to me. No more nor less a shame than the other however many hundreds of thousands- his personal body count doesn't elevate this guy to exalted hero status with me. Nor with Jesus, i'm guessing.
You're really equating shooting a man in the back at a gun range to killing opposing forces during armed conflict? Really?

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You realize that you're generalizing and consequently sounding really clueless here, right?
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Bunch of guys who can't take criticism of their line of work without resorting to violence...

and who are also coming back from said work so screwed up that they're shooting their buddies at the gun range.

Doesn't exactly sound like the infallible heroes that so many make them out to be.
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Then pick my logic apart for me, would you? At what point do the decisions of all of these incompetent, self serving politician's become sacrosanct before they translate into the actions of the military?

Or are you saying the politicians and their decisions are A-OK too?
You're not worth responding to.
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Old 02-07-2013, 01:50   #275
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That sounds more like the whine of a jealous child than a real point.

I don't care what you think about what you do, you aren't going to get to wear the title "Hero" get over it.

Chris Kyle = Hero

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Yeah, well at least you can state an opposing opinion in my presence without fear of getting a government trained fist in the face. I'll always have that. Unless most of the 'chest pounders for Uncle Sam' that spout off here are just FOS and you can really basically say whatever you like around soldiers. I suspect it's more something like that.
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You're not worth responding to.
Except that you just responded to me so obviously not.
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Except that you just responded to me so obviously not.
Clearly your mental faculties aren't developed enough to differentiate between a response and a simple statement of fact.
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Old 02-07-2013, 02:22   #278
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Clearly your mental faculties aren't developed enough to differentiate between a response and a simple statement of fact.
Let me see if I'm on the right page here...

You quoted one of my posts and then added a response, but my mental faculties aren't developed enough to see that the "fact" you stated (that Gunhaver isn't worth responding to), which is really an opinion, wasn't a response?

Maybe you would have looked less ignorant if you'd have just found me worth responding to with a response that you could claim as a response?
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Hey genius, was his death caused by foreign policy or Kyle's own bad karma for being a mean soldier? It can't be both. Nice try.

Liberalism and Paulism are mental disorders.
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I let you run with that BS for too long without correcting you on it and now it's become your standard rebuttal to anything I say. Here's a hint CF, if you have to keep dragging out old stuff that someone said instead of addressing their current point then you might want to think harder about addressing their current point. I don't know if you learned the misdirection/ intellectual dishonesty game from Cav Doc or if he learned it from you but you boys both do sure love yourselves some misdirection and dumb playing.

n00bs,history does tend ta repeate itself.

This right here nails it for me, convinces me beyond any shadow of doubt that this is how you PI nutsacks operate. You are an echo chamber. You're all fueled by agreement among yourselves and ridicule of those that express different opinions so when I show up you have to remind everyone of the Obamacare girlfriend and how I'm so socialist and Marxist least they actually start to think about what I'm saying.

If you rely on .gub ta take care of you and yours youse deserve the fate sloth has given you.

You've ignored every pro Paul thing I've ever posted, never even acknowledged my claim to be a Paul supporter when you started claiming me to be an Obama leg humper and every time you respond to anything I say you start or finish up with your comment that I want (your) tax dollars to pay for her medication. What a joke. I have no doubt that absent any kind of government programs there would still be charities and organizations that would help people get life saving medications. If you dropped dead tomorrow our world economy would mourn the loss of your tax dollars like a train mourns a penny on it's track. You are nobody.

Yer messiah had about the same chance at potus that my mastiffs had at winning american idol.As ta nobody,youse seems ta forget oneself.

I don't need to reiterate how you think you're an island who was born with claims to unlimited natural resources and never benefits from tax spending every time you say something stupid. I'll just address the stupid thing you said. Try it sometime.

I make 10k a year and own 2 homes,yer paradigm is egocentric and laudable.

To recap, and try to get it straight this time, I was all for Ron Paul. I am a libertarian. The first thread where I ever said anything about my girlfriend and her medicine was when I was stating how I came to terms with this Obamacare BS and how I saw something positive coming from it rather than constantly *****ing about a done deal like the rest of you. I've moved on and continued to enjoy life while the rest of you twerps want to wake up and cry about it every day.

Once again laudable,true libertarians want a tri county/state agenda,NO .gub at all.

Remember when this happened?
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/0...o-to-obamacare

I do. I was right there living in Columbia and listening to talk radio every day at work. I voted no to ACA and I'd do it again.

Yer opinion/vote was squandered.The SCOTUS betrayed the nation.

And really, why would I lie to you about this? I don't give a **** what you think of me. I can take you on Obama supporter or not, it's not like you're some kind of master debater or anything.
Yer not lying,you really believe this fertilizer youse be spoutin.

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You're really equating shooting a man in the back at a gun range to killing opposing forces during armed conflict? Really?

Agreed.



You're an idiot.



You're not worth responding to.
Actually quite worthy,he's never served anything other than fries.He can't equate force response.What we do out
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Yeah, well at least you can state an opposing opinion in my presence without fear of getting a government trained fist in the face. I'll always have that. Unless most of the 'chest pounders for Uncle Sam' that spout off here are just FOS and you can really basically say whatever you like around soldiers. I suspect it's more something like that.

I'll state my mind in FRONT of any serving/retarded soldier in the world.The reason being,I've been there and done that.While you hide behind walls and YAP at your betters.

Youse seems ta have an inferiority complex and security Issues.I'll will bet youse never took the oath and quite secure in your own little sacrosanct bubble.

You are a sad mime of a human,you won't evolve and that is proof of the pudding as stated by yer above.'08.
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How convenient. Well, "without judgment" on whether or not they should even be here, we can lament all day on the honor due to and sacrifice made by the first military to invade us. What a bunch of stand up guys they will be.

Hmm, seems like judgment of just what in the hell any particular military is doing someplace would be key to deciding if one should kiss any particular soldier's ass now wouldn't it?
Wow. You're even more stupid than I thought.
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