[whoflungdo]

Originally Posted by G26S239

Yes. As I have stated more than once when replying to you ALL firearms transfers here in the PRK have a back ground check.
The gun banning scum did not stop there! They consider it a good starting point. Same as HI, IL, MD, NJ and NY.

1. Again I ask you what would make you believe that the gun banners in the other states are any different?

2. What makes you believe the antis are ready to give up their crusade? Especially with the White House and news media on board?

nuh uh. unpossible. There is a gun show loophole in every state that allows bazookas, "assault weapons", Al Qaeda purchases, and grenades without a background check to anyone with cash. I read it on the internet and saw it on the TV.

[G26S239]

Originally Posted by whoflungdo

nuh uh. unpossible. There is a gun show loophole in every state that allows bazookas, "assault weapons", Al Qaeda purchases, and grenades without a background check to anyone with cash. I read it on the internet and saw it on the TV.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[IndyGunFreak]

Originally Posted by G26S239

You appear to be looking at the antis as people who can be reasoned with. .

This is the whole problem w/ everything Z71 has suggested. He means well ( I think), but it is absolutely, 100% pointless. Next year, what we "cave" on, will not be enough, and we will be expected to cave again. The pro gun movement has caved so many times, that we are viewed as the disagreeable ones if we refuse to cave...

When have the anti-gunners ever been forced to cave? Even the end of the AWB, there was nothing they could do.. the bill just hit it's sunset date without a vote.

IGF

[whoflungdo]

Originally Posted by Z71bill

If you have already had a BGC then the government is already there. I must have had a dozen of them in the last 5 years.

HAVE YOU EVER HAD A GUN RELATED BGC?

Under my system once you have a BGC then you don't need another for 3 or more years.

When you buy or sell a gun in a private sale your CHL or GBC is used as proof - no additional government involvement required.

I think the problem is you (and a few others) have already given up - and have just accepted that all lost rights are lost forever.

I don't see it this way.

Bill, it has nothing to do with giving up. None of us want UBC except for you and few other "gun owners" on this board. We tried the compromising before. It has not worked and never has worked. The background check system that is in place now WAS A COMPROMISE. All guns bought through a FFL had to have a background check. All guns bought from individuals did not have to have a background check (in most states). Some states have since implemented mandatory background checks for all firearms transactions. Offering another compromise WILL NOT WORK. NO to compromises, NO to further encroachments, NO to more governmental intrusions...

[Z71bill]

Originally Posted by G26S239

Yes. As I have stated more than once when replying to you ALL firearms transfers here in the PRK have a back ground check.
The gun banning scum did not stop there! They consider it a good starting point. Same as HI, IL, MD, NJ and NY.

1. Again I ask you what would make you believe that the gun banners in the other states are any different?

2. What makes you believe the antis are ready to give up their crusade? Especially with the White House and news media on board?

So you are already in the BGC sandbox you just don't realize it.

California is hard - too many lost elections because of ideological stupidity.

Super majorities of progressive liberal gun grabbers = butt crack full of sand for you.

Things are different on a national level - we still have some democrat polititians that are afraid of gun owners that vote.



1. Again I ask you what would make you believe that the gun banners in the other states are any different?

They are no different -- but do you think stubborn ideological stupidity on gun issues will create more or less gun banners?

2. What makes you believe the antis are ready to give up their crusade? Especially with the White House and news media on board

They will never give up until every gun is melted.

Do you think if conservatives & gun owners continue with the current ideological stupidity (not just on gun issues - gay marriage, immigration, carried interest) that we will ever win back the white house or win over the media?

[Z71bill]

Originally Posted by whoflungdo

Bill, it has nothing to do with giving up. None of us want UBC except for you and few other "gun owners" on this board. We tried the compromising before. It has not worked and never has worked. The background check system that is in place now WAS A COMPROMISE. All guns bought through a FFL had to have a background check. All guns bought from individuals did not have to have a background check (in most states). Some states have since implemented mandatory background checks for all firearms transactions. Offering another compromise WILL NOT WORK. NO to compromises, NO to further encroachments, NO to more governmental intrusions...

I DO NOT WANT UBGC.

I am willing to give it up only if I get something that is worth more. Because it is mostly already lost -



How has the party of no been working out for us?

In 20 years we will have lost enough elections that we will be begging to keep our .22 single shots.

If current BGC system was a compromise - what did we get in return?

[Z71bill]

Originally Posted by IndyGunFreak

This is the whole problem w/ everything Z71 has suggested. He means well ( I think), but it is absolutely, 100% pointless. Next year, what we "cave" on, will not be enough, and we will be expected to cave again. The pro gun movement has caved so many times, that we are viewed as the disagreeable ones if we refuse to cave...

When have the anti-gunners ever been forced to cave? Even the end of the AWB, there was nothing they could do.. the bill just hit it's sunset date without a vote.

IGF

So you are really saying we will lose all of our gun rights.

Because we can never get any of them back - and can only hope to slow the loss.

I am not "caving" on anything --

Getting more that I give up is not caving - it is WINNING.

[whoflungdo]

Originally Posted by Z71bill

I DO NOT WANT UBGC.

I am willing to give it up only if I get something that is worth more. Because it is mostly already lost -



How has the party of no been working out for us?

In 20 years we will have lost enough elections that we will be begging to keep our .22 single shots.

No worked pretty well to get rid of the scum that compromised our gun rights away with the first AWB. Why do you think they are so scared of voting for a AWB now? They don't want to lose their seats. If we put as much pressure on them to vote NO for any additional gun laws rather than compromising our rights away, how do you think that will work for "us" ?

[Z71bill]

Originally Posted by whoflungdo

No worked pretty well to get rid of the scum that compromised our gun rights away with the first AWB. Why do you think they are so scared of voting for a AWB now? They don't want to lose their seats. If we put as much pressure on them to vote NO for any additional gun laws rather than compromising our rights away, how do you think that will work for "us" ?

So if you think we have a position of strength - why not negotiate a better deal?

Give up very little - get more - win.

[plainsman]

That the government is copying 4473's from gunshops, and second that the FBI is keeping a record of firearm transactions contrary to the will of Congress.

As to what the yobama government can do to you, your cell mate will explain all those things to you.

[Mushinto]

If you create a fake problem, you can make up your own solutions.

If you say that the mentally ill getting guns is the problem, you can name your own (gun rights) price as a solution.

I submit to you that the problem is that untreated mentally ill people are out in public and are not institutionalized or receiving effective treatment. Guns are not the issue here.

The solution has nothing to do with enacting more gun control laws.

When your only tool is a hammer (anti-gun rights agenda), all problems (firearms accidents, mass shootings, street crime, domestic violence, terrorism, etc.) look like nails (more gun laws).

It's a new fake argument (albeit well reasoned) of the anti-gun rights crowd (Z71bill), and we do not buy it.

[G26S239]

Originally Posted by Z71bill

So you are already in the BGC sandbox you just don't realize it.

California is hard - too many lost elections because of ideological stupidity.

Super majorities of progressive liberal gun grabbers = butt crack full of sand for you.

Things are different on a national level - we still have some democrat polititians that are afraid of gun owners that vote.



1. Again I ask you what would make you believe that the gun banners in the other states are any different?

They are no different -- but do you think stubborn ideological stupidity on gun issues will create more or less gun banners?

2. What makes you believe the antis are ready to give up their crusade? Especially with the White House and news media on board

They will never give up until every gun is melted.

Do you think if conservatives & gun owners continue with the current ideological stupidity (not just on gun issues - gay marriage, immigration, carried interest) that we will ever win back the white house or win over the media?

Ideological stupidity = not voting Democrat. You are another gun owning Democrat. You have the federal govt you want.

All the Republicans have to do to win is become Dem Lite.

[Spydertime]

Originally Posted by gwalchmai

Let's say this ill-conceived affront to liberty passes. Let's say that you then don't ever buy or sell another gun. Then let's say that you get pulled over by a zealous representative of the state and you have your revolver on your seat, in compliance with your local ordinance. Let's further say you bought this gun in a perfectly legal face-to-face sale from a stranger in 2012, and have no paperwork to show that.

Who's to say that you didn't purchase that revo from "someone" this morning and didn't run a background check on it?

Thats exactly why unless the guns manufacture date is after the date the law goes into affect it cannot be enforced. We need to make sure such a stupid law does not pass.

[NickC50310]

Originally Posted by Mushinto

If you create a fake problem, you can make up your own solutions.

If you say that the mentally ill getting guns is the problem, you can name your own (gun rights) price as a solution.

I submit to you that the problem is that untreated mentally ill people are out in public and are not institutionalized or receiving effective treatment. Guns are not the issue here.

The solution has nothing to do with enacting more gun control laws.

When your only tool is a hammer (anti-gun rights agenda), all problems (firearms accidents, mass shootings, street crime, domestic violence, terrorism, etc.) look like nails (more gun laws).

It's a new fake argument (albeit well reasoned) of the anti-gun rights crowd (Z71bill), and we do not buy it.

Your last statement is a complete crock. Bill is not anti gun nor is anyone else here who might agree him. As i have said countless times- i dont want any new laws but if we have to take something, i will take some sort of bgc as long as it doesnt require a registry or require we go through an ffl for ftf sales. Im not anti gun or a democrat in the least, obviously. Suggesting i (or anyone else with my train of thought) am is completely asinine.

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