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Old 02-04-2013, 12:42   #26
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Specifically deer.

I don't know if its just my area and they are ghetto deer but these dang things will just shrug off an F250 collision and jump around on 2 legs in a ditch.

It took 4 shots to the back of the deer head and this thing was still kicking.

Last week my partner had to pull out the ol 870 after 3 rounds to the back of the head.

.40 s&w. winchester ranger and some are usinf federal hst, we probably put down 2-3 deer a week, more so lately. Any ideas on the quickest way to put them down?


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1 .357 magnum round to the side of the neck and I never had one even twitch again(also tells you how long ago I was a cop lol...we still were issued revolvers(S&W model28) and even the academy taught with revolvers) but living then and working in RURAL Western New York state put down many and that was always the shot 1 shot and never even had 1 flinch after the shot ,instant kill.

Id say we put down a minimum of 10-15 a year when i was on duty(mostly nights 4-12pm)

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Old 02-04-2013, 13:10   #27
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I've had to dispatch two deer so far. One was a double tap behind the ear from a Glock 22 and the second was double to the chest from an AR-15. Both were nearly instantly effective.
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Old 02-04-2013, 13:19   #28
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A single shot to the head with a Speer Gold Dot in .40 S&W has always worked for me. At my first agency, had a Captain come out to a wreck involving a deer. The quote as he left the office was "I better go out there before they start shooting up the neighborhood." When he got to the scene, he pulls out the shotgun to dispatch the deer. After two rounds of OO buck at close range and only notching an ear, he finally gets a slug and manages to finish the job at an even closer range. The best part was that he was the Firearms Instructor and used to brag about how well he could shoot.
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Old 02-04-2013, 13:31   #29
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Old 02-04-2013, 14:07   #30
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We aren't allowed to dispatch animals (unless they're attacking of course). We have to call the game wardens who might not show for hours. They're too scared we'll shoot something were not supposed to. There is a special exception in the policy where a supervisor can allow it but that never happens.
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Old 02-04-2013, 15:12   #31
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Not LEO. I have put down more then a couple car accident deer, and half dozen cattle. (some injured) and many other animals.
I talked to bucher. He said said "imagine a line from Right eye to left ear, left eye to right ear. Where the lines cross shoot just below that"
I have even taken deer with that (.22 pistol) and the jaw is on ground before echo of shot dies. I tried the (behind the ear) and the 1100 lb steer turned it head and looked at me like "WTF was that????" 2nd shot in (sweet spot) and its face hit ground. I will NEVER try another shot area.
I have never tried .22lr on cattle.(But bucher uses a .22 lr MAG rifle for everything including buffalo. 9mm, .45 acp only for pistol rds
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Old 02-04-2013, 16:19   #32
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If you approach the animal from behind so it can't see you it won't panic as much.
Also wear a kilt so it can't hear the zipper.
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Old 02-04-2013, 16:32   #33
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Visualize an X between their ears (top legs of the X) and their eyes (bottom legs of the X). One shot in the center of X will take care of it. I used to carry a .22 lr pistol on patrol just for putting down deer that were injured in accidents. Worked every time.
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Old 02-04-2013, 16:59   #34
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Amateurs......

1 or 2 solid ASP strikes to the flat spot on the head will do it every time.....


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I have slit a deer's throat before.
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Old 02-04-2013, 17:01   #35
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I got called out to a car vs deer once & the family had turned the car around and gone back to find the deer after they hit it.

When I arrived the deer was in their headlights with dad, mom & kids in the car watching the thing try to crawl around on it's front two legs (it's back was broken & rear half was dragging). I told dad to have his family look away while I put it down. One shot to the back of it's head and it flopped on the ground like a sack of flour.

A few minutes later I'm talking dad through the accident report & one of the kids lets out a scream. I turned around to see this thing scrambling up onto the road with all it's might with it's two front legs, trying to GTFO before I shot it again. So, I ran over and put three in it's chest nearly point blank, right behind the front "armpit". That time it didn't get back up.

At this point I looked back at the car to see the whole family wide-eyed staring at me. Kids started bawling, mom was crying, general disarray. Not my most shining moment.
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Old 02-04-2013, 19:23   #36
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I got called out to a car vs deer once & the family had turned the car around and gone back to find the deer after they hit it.

When I arrived the deer was in their headlights with dad, mom & kids in the car watching the thing try to crawl around on it's front two legs (it's back was broken & rear half was dragging). I told dad to have his family look away while I put it down. One shot to the back of it's head and it flopped on the ground like a sack of flour.

A few minutes later I'm talking dad through the accident report & one of the kids lets out a scream. I turned around to see this thing scrambling up onto the road with all it's might with it's two front legs, trying to GTFO before I shot it again. So, I ran over and put three in it's chest nearly point blank, right behind the front "armpit". That time it didn't get back up.

At this point I looked back at the car to see the whole family wide-eyed staring at me. Kids started bawling, mom was crying, general disarray. Not my most shining moment.
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Old 02-04-2013, 19:31   #37
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I got called out to a car vs deer once & the family had turned the car around and gone back to find the deer after they hit it.

When I arrived the deer was in their headlights with dad, mom & kids in the car watching the thing try to crawl around on it's front two legs (it's back was broken & rear half was dragging). I told dad to have his family look away while I put it down. One shot to the back of it's head and it flopped on the ground like a sack of flour.

A few minutes later I'm talking dad through the accident report & one of the kids lets out a scream. I turned around to see this thing scrambling up onto the road with all it's might with it's two front legs, trying to GTFO before I shot it again. So, I ran over and put three in it's chest nearly point blank, right behind the front "armpit". That time it didn't get back up.

At this point I looked back at the car to see the whole family wide-eyed staring at me. Kids started bawling, mom was crying, general disarray. Not my most shining moment.
I know you LOL now every time you think about that.

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Old 02-04-2013, 19:32   #38
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Use the shotgun.

Works better, faster to clean up.

I generally use a rifled slug, but 00 Buck works just fine too. Headshot or torso shot stops them literally dead in their tracks.

Plus its just a shotgun, so it won't piss Joe Biden off like an assault rifle or deadly fully semi automatic pistol would.
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Old 02-04-2013, 19:45   #39
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Right behind the ear. Never had a problem.
I've only had to put down one that was too injured to walk. I hit it with a .22 from a S&W Model 63 right behind the ear. It kicked once and that was the end.
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Old 02-04-2013, 20:00   #40
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A while back I got called to a collision. The officer asked on the radio if I could kill it because he "never shot anything before".

Sgt stops traffic one way while wussy officer stops other side (behind fire truck so he couldn't watch). I asked the Sgt several times if he wanted to let the vehicle he had stopped go by 1st. He said to go ahead and shoot it. I did so.

He had stopped a school bus. I asked him later why and he said "they gotta learn the real world at some point"
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Old 02-04-2013, 20:07   #41
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When can cops start putting down more two legged animals? That's what I want to see.
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Old 02-04-2013, 20:09   #42
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I just shoot in the middle where I think most of the brain is. I sawed many an antler/skull off of a buck so I have a pretty good idea where most of the brain is in a deer. I had to put down a cow one time while it was looking at me so I shot first shot between the eyes just slightly above the line between them. That dropped its head, but it didn't turn the lights out so I had to do a second shot close by the first one which instantly did the job.

Most of the animals I've put down have been with a .40, but one deer as described above(front legs intact pulling itself along on dangling rear legs) was put down with one 9mm to the side of its head in a slightly down angle. Knowing how deer love to resurrect themselves, I put another one in its head for good measure.

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Old 02-04-2013, 23:48   #44
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Our current live fire practice include simulated shooting of animals with the M4.

We show the cops how they need to aim three inches above the intended point of impact to allow for the difference in height of the aimpoint sight above the bore.

We've had a couple of instances of animals having their faces shot off as opposed to a clean kill, or multiple shots needed to kill. Not good PR.

I spoke to one of our officers who told me she had to shoot an injured sheep with her M4. She told me that when she fired, she thought the gun had exploded because it was so loud.

She had only ever fired on the range with the suppressed training weapons while wearing hearing and eye protection. The noise and blast of an unsuppressed M4 was something she was not prepared for.



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Our current live fire practice include simulated shooting of animals with the M4.

We show the cops how they need to aim three inches above the intended point of impact to allow for the difference in height of the aimpoint sight above the bore.

We've had a couple of instances of animals having their faces shot off as opposed to a clean kill, or multiple shots needed to kill. Not good PR.

I spoke to one of our officers who told me she had to shoot an injured sheep with her M4. She told me that when she fired, she thought the gun had exploded because it was so loud.

She had only ever fired on the range with the suppressed training weapons while wearing hearing and eye protection. The noise and blast of an unsuppressed M4 was something she was not prepared for.



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Old 02-05-2013, 01:44   #46
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Surefire EP4s FTW. Since our last firearms qual, mine just stay in my jacket pocket, for a multitude of reasons, even though I work inside the fence.
I gave her a few sets of disposable ear plugs to go in the latex glove pouch on her belt.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:19   #47
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No shotguns here. Have had to put down a few deer with more than one round of (then) Gold Dot .40 S&W. Policy states long guns are not permitted for dispatching animals (scratching head)...


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Old 02-05-2013, 07:53   #48
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I have slit a deer's throat before.
That works too......
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:25   #49
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As odd as it sounds, if this is an ongoing issue in your area try putting in a call to California Highway Patrol Headquarters in Sacramento. They publish a manual, complete with diagrams, showing where (shot placement) and how to put down just about every kind of injured animal you may encounter.
Now THIS would be helpful. I personally would have no idea where to shoot most animals. Most guys I work with are hunters, so chances are the decision would not be left to me... but still good info to know.

Any idea who/where to contact at CHP? I'm guessing their headquarters has at least a couple hundred extensions.
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Chp has a "publishing office" you should be able to contact. It also supplies all the traffic forms to CA agencies.
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